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12-28-2011, 03:44 AM
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I like Leblanc. 1 giveaway for 7 takeaway for far in the league. I like the way he always try to strip the puck off on his d-cover.
He's also +3 including being called up just for the team to go on a 5 game losing streak..He reminds me of Marleau , hard worker , not especially skilled , speedy and defensively responsible.

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Leblanc looked impressive. I'm surprised Desharnais didn't get any points. Watching the game, he made some really great passes out there. Eller with an amazing play on the pk and overall great game.

I don't get those who complain about Kaberle. I know he's not a wizard in his own zone, but he's above every other dman we have in the offensive zone. He looks so confident out there. And anytime the puck gets near him, he stabilizes the play and gives a chance to his team to stay on the offense. He's amazing to watch out there.

Cammelleri made some really nifty plays. It was nice to see him get his mojo back. He really deserves a lot of praise for this game. He deserved the heat he got these past few weeks for his lazy plays, but this one game, he looked so good out there.

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12-28-2011, 05:34 AM
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And you need to realize that not everything in the game can be broken down into stats and numbers. Emotion is a huge factor that cannot be measured or quantified with an equation/stat.
QFT. Interestingly enough, I was at an ECHL game last night (The Cincinnati Cyclones-DD's ECHL team) and a Cyclone got boarded pretty badly. Justin Vaive (Rick Vaive's son) immediately came to the scene and put a good old fashioned whuppin' on the offender.

The crowd went wild, the Cyclone bench was energized-to say the least- and the Cyclones scored moments later.

Fighting has always been a part of hockey. The fact that this team or that team this season doesn't have an enforcer and is highly competitive is-by far and away-the exception to the norm over the past century in hockey.

A no fighting, low scoring hockey product lends itself-rightly so-to the derisive comparison of "soccer on ice". If the league goes in this direction, it can say good bye to many of its fans-both casual and knowledgeable ones.

On the topic of the game last night, DD was on the ice for 2 goals (ES) compared to Eller's one despite less ice time. Look for this trend to continue.

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12-28-2011, 06:05 AM
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QFT. Interestingly enough, I was at an ECHL game last night (The Cincinnati Cyclones-DD's ECHL team) and a Cyclone got boarded pretty badly. Justin Vaive (Rick Vaive's son) immediately came to the scene and put a good old fashioned whuppin' on the offender.

The crowd went wild, the Cyclone bench was energized-to say the least- and the Cyclones scored moments later.

Fighting has always been a part of hockey. The fact that this team or that team this season doesn't have an enforcer and is highly competitive is-by far and away-the exception to the norm over the past century in hockey.

A no fighting, low scoring hockey product lends itself-rightly so-to the derisive comparison of "soccer on ice". If the league goes in this direction, it can say good bye to many of its fans-both casual and knowledgeable ones.

On the topic of the game last night, DD was on the ice for 2 goals (ES) compared to Eller's one despite less ice time. Look for this trend to continue.
difference here. what others are saying about Pacc is FAAAAAAR from what you describe here... no one hurt, no punch landed, clearly both being bad fighters, no build up to the fight, nothing...

and yet, those "others" are talking like the Pacc fight was a game changer or something...

they want fight ? bwahaha! yeah right! like they would recognize a real fight anyway! pansies!

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12-28-2011, 06:16 AM
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To give credence to the idea that the Maxpac-Lee fight "inspired" the Canadiens, you have to first accept that the Canadiens elected to play half-assed, just so they had an extra gear to go to if there happened to be a fight in the game.

You also have to accept that Ottawa wasn't equally inspired by such an act of awesomeness of having Brian Lee clearly instigate a fight with a non-fighter, and probably winning the decision.

Why was Montreal so revved up and inspired by Maxpac losing a fight but Ottawa was equally de-motivated by Lee winning a fight?

I don't buy any of it. The fight was just a 30 second side-show before Anderson started sucking even more. Nothing else.

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12-28-2011, 06:22 AM
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so what the hell DOES happen when markov comes back?, gill sits?, or emelin sits and move gorges to right side?, im really interrested how this plays out,
I beleive 1 dman has to be moved, and i know you want depth but this is getting ridiculous, we could of maaaaybe got something for weber, like a 3rd, now were lucky if we get a 5 for him, campoli has probably played himself off the team
Yannick Weber is 8 months older than Lars Eller, and has the same number of points this year playing as a defenseman and part-time 4th liner. He certainly isn't as bad as his reputation on here, and has the added bonus of being a strong-skating "puck moving defenseman", an attribute that is always in demand. We would get waaaay more than a 5th round pick for the guy.

But that's beside the point, why is everyone in a hurry to get rid of the guy? Keep him for injury replacement, work him into the occasional game (even as a 7th D-man) and have him around for next year when a bunch of D's will be gone (bye bye Campoli and Gill).

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12-28-2011, 06:22 AM
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Cunney gets a few days with the club to go over his system and the habs look like world beaters. Great effort tonight, be interested in defensive zone starts for DD if anyone has the numbers, to me, for long term sustainable success, we need to rely on DD less. I like the new line combos.

I would still like to see a change on D though as suggested by KrissE I believe


Yemelin Subban
Kaberle Gorges
Gill Diaz

Campoli
Weber

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12-28-2011, 06:28 AM
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That'd probably be more effective than having a fight, yes.

MaxPac is an important winger who had a concussion and a broken neck a year ago. He needs to not be fighting.
Get over it, Max stepping up is exactly what this team needs, others need to follow suit.

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12-28-2011, 06:31 AM
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Leblanc looked impressive. I'm surprised Desharnais didn't get any points. Watching the game, he made some really great passes out there. Eller with an amazing play on the pk and overall great game.

I don't get those who complain about Kaberle. I know he's not a wizard in his own zone, but he's above every other dman we have in the offensive zone. He looks so confident out there. And anytime the puck gets near him, he stabilizes the play and gives a chance to his team to stay on the offense. He's amazing to watch out there.

Cammelleri made some really nifty plays. It was nice to see him get his mojo back. He really deserves a lot of praise for this game. He deserved the heat he got these past few weeks for his lazy plays, but this one game, he looked so good out there.
that, to me, is his biggest contribution, especially on a team with such a young and inexperienced defense. very... markov-esque don't you agree?

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12-28-2011, 06:48 AM
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Cunney gets a few days with the club to go over his system and the habs look like world beaters. Great effort tonight, be interested in defensive zone starts for DD if anyone has the numbers, to me, for long term sustainable success, we need to rely on DD less. I like the new line combos.

I would still like to see a change on D though as suggested by KrissE I believe


Yemelin Subban
Kaberle Gorges
Gill Diaz

Campoli
Weber

Not too sure how I see the kaberle gorges pairing working out. Other than that it fits like a glove. Ideally id like to have gill out eventually and have:

gorges subban
emelin diaz
Kaberle (defensive specialist to replace gill but tougher)

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me too but the return would kill the habs and probably not make us any better. think eller, subban and 1st. i would consider it but guys like beaulieu and tinordi are not ready to step in
Getzlaf isnt worth gutting the futur for. Boston didnt have huge centers but they had depth eg Marchand etc scoring timely goals.

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Yannick Weber is 8 months older than Lars Eller, and has the same number of points this year playing as a defenseman and part-time 4th liner. He certainly isn't as bad as his reputation on here, and has the added bonus of being a strong-skating "puck moving defenseman", an attribute that is always in demand. We would get waaaay more than a 5th round pick for the guy.

But that's beside the point, why is everyone in a hurry to get rid of the guy? Keep him for injury replacement, work him into the occasional game (even as a 7th D-man) and have him around for next year when a bunch of D's will be gone (bye bye Campoli and Gill).
I agree, Weber is caught in a bit of a numbers game here with a lot of PMD's and not a lot of stay at home types. If I was an NHL GM he'd be a guy I'd target thinking he could be a solid #3-4 guy down the road that contributes offense, helps my PP and can play steady defense(not a shutdown guy but can match 2nd and 3rd lines). In a trade he is worth about a 2nd rounder, at worst a 3rd. Even with a rough spot recently teams know waht he can do.

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So much wrong with this, but quite simply, the hockey played 30 years ago is an entirely different game. A 3rd pairing D now skates and shoots as well or better than a top 3 O then, for example. Not to mention coaching, strategy, training etc. Just not the same...
I guess that's when you stopped watching hockey - 30 years ago. Why don't you go tell the Flyers or the Bruins or San Jose or Anaheim or any team not run by Gauthier that size doesn't matter.

On TSN the panel members constantly keep bringing up the fact that the Habs are a small team that avoids the physical play. I guess they stopped watching modern hockey too. Or should I listen to you instead of the people who played and coached in the NHL.

If you have a Gionta & a Cammy and the rest of your team is built like the Flyers yeah size doesn't really matter. But when the number goes from 2 to 4-5 on offense and 3 or 4 on defense then size matters.

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To give credence to the idea that the Maxpac-Lee fight "inspired" the Canadiens, you have to first accept that the Canadiens elected to play half-assed, just so they had an extra gear to go to if there happened to be a fight in the game.

You also have to accept that Ottawa wasn't equally inspired by such an act of awesomeness of having Brian Lee clearly instigate a fight with a non-fighter, and probably winning the decision.

Why was Montreal so revved up and inspired by Maxpac losing a fight but Ottawa was equally de-motivated by Lee winning a fight?

I don't buy any of it. The fight was just a 30 second side-show before Anderson started sucking even more. Nothing else.
Your words as seen clearly by my eyes.

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Get over it, Max stepping up is exactly what this team needs, others need to follow suit.
Really...Pacioretty losing a hug-out visor-fight to a Brian Lee is what the team needed?

In the 5min Pacioretty was in the box for fighting the Sens outshot the Habs 4-0 (shots were 8-2 Sens pre-fight) and upped their physical play to outhit the Habs 6-2 during that time (it was 3-2 Sens pre-fight).

http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreport...2/PL020531.HTM

The Habs 1st shot after the fight happened 6min later and it went in.

Fighting can provide a boost when it is seen as protecting a teammate and the player actually wins (see Ryan White on Johnny Boychuk). I don't see the benefit of staged fights between goons and these hug outs between non fighters.

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Even with this win I want Gauthier gone

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I guess that's when you stopped watching hockey - 30 years ago. Why don't you go tell the Flyers or the Bruins or San Jose or Anaheim or any team not run by Gauthier that size doesn't matter.

On TSN the panel members constantly keep bringing up the fact that the Habs are a small team that avoids the physical play. I guess they stopped watching modern hockey too. Or should I listen to you instead of the people who played and coached in the NHL.

If you have a Gionta & a Cammy and the rest of your team is built like the Flyers yeah size doesn't really matter. But when the number goes from 2 to 4-5 on offense and 3 or 4 on defense then size matters.
Saying that the habs are a smurf team is built more on myth than fact. The Flyers do have a bigger team but only by a bit, they ahve more than their share of "smurfs" in Giroux Briere Timonen. Boston won the cup last yaer and their top line in the playoffs averaged 5'10" and about 185lbs.

Most of the players Gauthier has added since taking over bring size to the table...Tinordi(draft) Emelin Eller Cole Blunden.

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Saying that the habs are a smurf team is built more on myth than fact. The Flyers do have a bigger team but only by a bit, they ahve more than their share of "smurfs" in Giroux Briere Timonen. Boston won the cup last yaer and their top line in the playoffs averaged 5'10" and about 185lbs.

Most of the players Gauthier has added since taking over bring size to the table...Tinordi(draft) Emelin Eller Cole Blunden.
This. I don't get people that blame Gauthier for our small team. He's done nothing but get it bigger. Baby steps guys. I'm sure he will get it bigger for next year also.

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When healthy I would do this:

Markov-Emelin
Gorges-Subban
Kaberle-Diaz

The physical element that Emelin brings to the line up is HUGE. He has opposing players chasing him all game after he lays them out and he draws penalties for it. He's going to be a stud. He and Diaz definitely deserve to be in the line up over Gill/Campoli/Weber and it's not even close right now.

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I think we just wasted our offensive output for the next 2 games last night!


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Really? That fight demoralized Ottawa? That's a ridiculous statement.
Well, they promptly allowed five unanswered goals. Clearly it did something bad to them, right?

Or else, maybe it *is* a ridiculous statement, as much as "the fight sparked the team to a win".

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A no fighting, low scoring hockey product lends itself-rightly so-to the derisive comparison of "soccer on ice". If the league goes in this direction, it can say good bye to many of its fans-both casual and knowledgeable ones.
Because being compared to the most popular sport in the world is a terrible thing.

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Well, they promptly allowed five unanswered goals. Clearly it did something bad to them, right?

Or else, maybe it *is* a ridiculous statement, as much as "the fight sparked the team to a win".
I think that Anderson was horrible. That's what demoralized the sens IMO.

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Is it me or did anyone else notice Gorges did not seem too happy after Subban's goal?

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