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Rumblings (Columbus Trades? Hemsky Suitors? Carolina waits until Deadline?)
I'm pretty certain Toronto will need to add a 2nd for any team to take on Lombardi.
Hemsky to the Preds sound like a decent fit. Preds traded for Grebs and while that didn't work out he played okay for them before his balls got literally squished.
I'm pretty certain Toronto will need to add a 2nd for any team to take on Lombardi.
Hemsky to the Preds sound like a decent fit. Preds traded for Grebs and while that didn't work out he played okay for them before his balls got literally squished.
Doesn't seem like he is the player Trotz would want, but he is one of the coaches who can get just about any player to "buy into the system."
Hemsky is not worth a 1st, it was questionable from the start, because he is injury prone, but that he had a bad start too... yeah, no. Kaberle was playing on top of his game when he was dealt, playing like a #2/3 while on pace for 55+pts. If you think hemsky is getting even half of what kaberle got, your in for a rude awakening.
Kaberle had some good stats offensively (on the strength of 8pts in the 10 games up to the trade), but as I recall nearly every Leaf fan couldn't run him out of town fast enough thanks to his stellar D. As well, Kaberle was 32 at the time of that trade, Hemsky will be 28. A lot more left in the tank. Though I suppose we could pigeonhole a player's entire career into half a season based purely on statistics rather than the physical talents of that player. That way we can make the Ducks trade Bobby Ryan for Mikhail Grabovski because they've produced at the same clip. You might have to throw in some Blueberry Cheetah Power Surge because its blue.... that means its the pride of Toronto. Way to go Frank, Way to go buddy!
Doesn't seem like he is the player Trotz would want, but he is one of the coaches who can get just about any player to "buy into the system."
I'll agree that he's probably not first on Trotz's list, but he was pretty clutch in the early goings of our 2006 run as I'm sure many a Wings fan will painfully remember.
But ultimately we as fans can only guess his worth. I'm pretty sure if all we are offered is a 2nd rder, we'll just as likely keep him. If that's his bargaining power in trade, I'm sure it will follow suit in contract negotiations (coupled with the fact he wants to stay in Edmonton). If he's an Oiler next year for say, 4.25, I'm just as happy.
15. That said, watching Ales Hemskybail out of an icing race with 20 seconds left was awful. The Oilers can't allow that to continue, especially guys trying everything to play through pain like Ryan Whitney.
The Hemsky icing play was indeed really disappointing to see. Granted he was gassed, but he let up and looked like he didn't want to get hit. Shows me that his days in Edmonton are definitely going to be over.
For the record... the only circumstances in which I would be happy to see Nash or Carter traded involve a #1D coming back.
And I should be totally clear on this: when I say #1D, I mean NHL #1D. Not "he'll be a #1D someday", not "he has #1D upside", not "he'd be a #1D in Columbus", not "he's a #1D on our team and might be on yours", I mean #1D LEAGUE-WIDE, no ifs, ands, buts, qualifiers, or modifiers. Period. End of story. For reference, consult the Norris nominees for the last handful of years or so.
If we can't get one of those - and I freely admit that we probably cannot, as neither Nash nor Carter are of similar stature w/r/t the positions they play - then I'd rather keep those guys.
Yes, this effectively translates to "I want hideously unrealistic overpayment for them and am being unreasonable." That is 100% accurate, and 100% the intent of this post. Please do not try to debate this or attempt to "make things more reasonable", as I see no purpose in being reasonable w/r/t the possibility of trading the two most talented players on a suffering roster.
(Seriously. I swear to G-d Almighty if I see someone offer Gardiner or Beauchemin I will rip their heads off.)
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For the record... the only circumstances in which I would be happy to see Nash or Carter traded involve a #1D coming back.
And I should be totally clear on this: when I say #1D, I mean NHL #1D. Not "he'll be a #1D someday", not "he has #1D upside", not "he'd be a #1D in Columbus", not "he's a #1D on our team and might be on yours", I mean #1D LEAGUE-WIDE, no ifs, ands, buts, qualifiers, or modifiers. Period. End of story. For reference, consult the Norris nominees for the last handful of years or so.
If we can't get one of those - and I freely admit that we probably cannot, as neither Nash nor Carter are of similar stature w/r/t the positions they play - then I'd rather keep those guys.
Yes, this effectively translates to "I want hideously unrealistic overpayment for them and am being unreasonable." That is 100% accurate, and 100% the intent of this post. Please do not try to debate this or attempt to "make things more reasonable", as I see no purpose in being reasonable w/r/t the possibility of trading the two most talented players on a suffering roster.
(Seriously. I swear to G-d Almighty if I see someone offer Gardiner or Beauchemin I will rip their heads off.)
I suspect you will get your wish. Columbus is not trading away any significant assets, not replacing Arniel and Howson will stay as well. Apparently, the organization is happy with the roster, the coaching and the management.
LeBrun speculates that while Howson says he's off the table, it won't stop other GMs from making offers on him.
Yeah, exactly.
Whats the market for Jeff Carter now? Like a prospect picked out of the mid/late first round and a 1st round pick. Odds are that a package like that will at best get you a 3rd lineer or a 2nd pair D in the end.
They gave up a good established NHLer, who probably will take another step in the near future and a 1st and a 3rd for him.
At the minimum I think Howson would want someone as valuble as Voracek back.
I suspect you will get your wish. Columbus is not trading away any significant assets, not replacing Arniel and Howson will stay as well. Apparently, the organization is happy with the roster, the coaching and the management.
That seems a bit of a strained conclusion to reach IMO, but let's not rehash this here.
Other teams shouldn't be super concerned about Hemsky's effort this year. It's really evident that he misses the spotlight that now belongs to Hall, Eberle and Nuge, and on a team like Detroit, he'd blend right in because there are no real young stars there (at least not as young as Nuge).
Would it be possible to get Kronwall for Hemsky? The biggest thing on our "wants" list is probably an offensive defenceman, and not even a really good one, just one that brings it every game.
What? Please tell me you're joking. When was the last time that a key player on a contender was moved for a rental. Add in that Kronwall is signed for the next 7 years (cap hit of $4.75M), and that thought is absolutely ridiculous.
IMO, at the deadline Hemsky gets a good prospect and a pick (likely a 2nd, but maybe a 1st if Hemsky's playing better and there are a ton of buyers at the deadline).
Tell me a reason why Columbus should trade Nash? Exactly there is none. So dont rage when I post some ridiculous offer. No one wants to trade Nash except some angry CBJ fans who think hes the problem. Columbus will gladly keep Nash if its not an extreme overpayment.
Not sure if you're up with current events - but the Jackets are 10-23-5, good for dead last in the league, and Nash is under contract for 6 more years at aboutt $7.8M per.
And when you're the best player on the team, being paid to be a difference maker, and you're not producing, that's a HUGE problem. IMO - it's not all on Nash, but when you're in his role on the worst team in the league - that reflects poorly on Rick Nash. I think he's a quality player - but given his contract, lack of production, and the team struggles, it's not like CBJ in a position of strength if they decide to move Nash.
OMG e3 Carter to Toronto....... in other words 0.004% chance on Carter to Toronto...
I wouldn't be too shocked to hear that Toronto might have some small amount of interest. I would be shocked, however, to hear that there's any chance whatsoever of Columbus going along with such an idea.
Not sure if you're up with current events - but the Jackets are 10-23-5, good for dead last in the league, and Nash is under contract for 6 more years at aboutt $7.8M per.
And when you're the best player on the team, being paid to be a difference maker, and you're not producing, that's a HUGE problem. IMO - it's not all on Nash, but when you're in his role on the worst team in the league - that reflects poorly on Rick Nash. I think he's a quality player - but given his contract, lack of production, and the team struggles, it's not like CBJ in a position of strength if they decide to move Nash.
Whether or not you perceive us to be in a position of strength or not is irrelevant. We have the contract, therefore we make the rules. Despite the desperate hopes of a select few, we are under no obligation to move him, nor is there any real tangible evidence that moving him is the only way to get us out of the cellar.
EDIT: To be a little more fair, I don't think I'd go for the Faulk/McBain/Dalpe deal either - while that is a major overpayment and they're quality players, we need shutdown and #1 blueliners, and that's not exactly what we'd be getting there (unless one of Faulk or McBain takes a really big leap forward). Strikes me as a bad idea all around.
Not sure if you're up with current events - but the Jackets are 10-23-5, good for dead last in the league, and Nash is under contract for 6 more years at aboutt $7.8M per.
And when you're the best player on the team, being paid to be a difference maker, and you're not producing, that's a HUGE problem. IMO - it's not all on Nash, but when you're in his role on the worst team in the league - that reflects poorly on Rick Nash. I think he's a quality player - but given his contract, lack of production, and the team struggles, it's not like CBJ in a position of strength if they decide to move Nash.
You apparently are unfamiliar with our franchise. Nobody is being held accountable.
Nash isnt forcing a trade and management loves him even at his salary.
I'd love for Philly to get Pahlsson. How is he on faceoffs?
He's good in faceoffs. If he gets traded, it all comes down to who is in a playoff spot and needs a guy to win faceoffs in the playoffs and helps their depth. ex: Sharks,Flyers,maybe Chicago?
Here are teams that I see that could be interested in Hemsky:
Pitts
Det
Fld
WAS
MIN
NAS
Any team that is in the hunt for the final playoff spot that requires offense, Hemsky can help that team to get the final 8th spot. How many teams are there that it is very important that they make the playoffs.
FLD
NAS
MIN
NJ
WIN
COL
SJ
DAL
PHX
All these teams are that close to a playoff spot and Hemsky could be the difference to making the playoffs and not making the playoffs. Which of these teams could you see giving a 1st and a prospect to make the playoffs.
Despite the desperate hopes of a select few, we are under no obligation to move him, nor is there any real tangible evidence that moving him is the only way to get us out of the cellar.
