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10-16-2004, 06:25 PM
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Well are we far enough along to do the lottery thing with the random numbers? Or we waiting till there's a website before starting any of that stuff?

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Anyone with over 40 NHL games played isn't a prospect.

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Getting Closer

Some issues with the lists that need to be cleaned up though:


neogeo69 - Millwoods Cyclones - I think I lost your list of players and prospects - please resend

Outkast - Paris 69'ers - problems with your list - check your PM

dawgbone - Brampton Bulldogs - I think I lost your list of players and prospects - please resend


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Dawgbone, check your PM box!!!

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10-18-2004, 01:00 PM
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Anyone with over 40 NHL games played isn't a prospect.
If that's the case then Eric Staal (81 games), Nathan Horton (55) and Nikolai Zherdev (57) are all NOT prospects.

MA Fleury is (22 games).

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If that's the case then Eric Staal (81 games), Nathan Horton (55) and Nikolai Zherdev (57) are all NOT prospects.

MA Fleury is (22 games).
That is why I was confused when I saw other peoples lists

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According to both NHLPA and hockeydb.com, Kovalchuk is a LW but the Excel spreadsheet says he is a RW. Likewise, both NHLPA and hockeydb.com says Jagr is a RW but the Excel spreadsheet claims he is a LW.

Does it matter?

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10-18-2004, 01:28 PM
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According to both NHLPA and hockeydb.com, Kovalchuk is a LW but the Excel spreadsheet says he is a RW. Likewise, both NHLPA and hockeydb.com says Jagr is a RW but the Excel spreadsheet claims he is a LW.

Does it matter?
That is a personal pet peeve of mine, but I guess it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, especially when there are players who play multiple positions. It just buggs me when you see guys like Bertuzzi listed as a center.

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10-18-2004, 01:58 PM
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According to both NHLPA and hockeydb.com, Kovalchuk is a LW but the Excel spreadsheet says he is a RW. Likewise, both NHLPA and hockeydb.com says Jagr is a RW but the Excel spreadsheet claims he is a LW.

Does it matter?
Generally speaking, leagues use several sites to determine positioning. My favourite is the http://tsf.waymoresports.thestar.com...layerindex.cgi which I also believe TSN uses.

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10-18-2004, 02:25 PM
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If that's the case then Eric Staal (81 games), Nathan Horton (55) and Nikolai Zherdev (57) are all NOT prospects.

MA Fleury is (22 games).
I actually thought the 61 game cut-off used by HF was in effect (Staal is in and Horton/Zherdev out). All of the lists submitted as of now use that format (excepting Outkast's) and I am comfortable with it.

I will leave it to db though to set that standard.


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I actually thought the 61 game cut-off used by HF was in effect (Staal is in and Horton/Zherdev out). All of the lists submitted as of now use that format (excepting Outkast's) and I am comfortable with it.

I will leave it to db though to set that standard.


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61 games is fine... I just threw out a number.

Do we have all 24 GM's right now?


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10-18-2004, 02:37 PM
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Players list:

http://www.internationalhockeyleague.net

check it out.

PM me all suggestions (even the ones some players made earlier). If a guy is high or low, let me know. I edited all the goalies, to make them much more realistic, but the players I'm not going to do unless people suggest.

Get them in soon... I won't be editing players once we start the draft!

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10-18-2004, 03:47 PM
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Getting Closer - 23 teams now in!

jumptheshark/rabi-sultan may have last spot

Some issues with the lists that need to be cleaned up though:

Outkast - Paris 69'ers - problems with your list - check your PM

dawgbone - Brampton Bulldogs - I think I lost your list of players and prospects - please resend


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10-19-2004, 08:16 AM
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I read through teh player list...

Quick notes, i know you edited the goalies but they're still a bit off.. I mean Zac Bierk at 72 and Gerber/Pursek at 78/79?.. Thats a bit too high. Almost all goalies need to be tweaked down.. Especially Kolzig.. The guy just had a bombed year and still has a 80 ov, same wiht Dafoe... I know i only look at ov but that obviously reflects on teh rest of the stats.


Secondly, Bure shouldn't have ratings. He didnt play at all last year and it would be unfair to give him his current exorbitant ratings. I havent really scrutinized the list but there may be other retired/crippled lol players.

PS: Forecaster is great for positions..

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10-19-2004, 11:25 AM
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I read through teh player list...

Quick notes, i know you edited the goalies but they're still a bit off.. I mean Zac Bierk at 72 and Gerber/Pursek at 78/79?.. Thats a bit too high. Almost all goalies need to be tweaked down.. Especially Kolzig.. The guy just had a bombed year and still has a 80 ov, same wiht Dafoe... I know i only look at ov but that obviously reflects on teh rest of the stats.
Gerber and Prusek have both put together a couple of solid seasons in a row. Bierk has bounced around the NHL, AHL, IHL, ECHL with limited degress of success.

I will knock down prusek's endurance though. This is why I said ignore OV... it's not a true indication. Gerber's endurance is low, which will affect his ability as a starting goaltender.

Same with Dafoe... why is it he has struggled in recent years? Injuries. Injuries have been his main issue, hence the reason is durability is so low.

As for Kolzig... you must not have seen very much of him. He had decent stats on a very bad team (compare him to goalenders on Pittsburgh, Chicago, Rangers, etc...).

Goaltenders, league-wide, are some of the best players in the league, and it's about time a sim-league recognized that, hence the reason some backups are at 78 or 79, because some of them are actually good enough to be starters.

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Secondly, Bure shouldn't have ratings. He didnt play at all last year and it would be unfair to give him his current exorbitant ratings. I havent really scrutinized the list but there may be other retired/crippled lol players.

PS: Forecaster is great for positions..
Considering the fact that he hasn't retired yet, it doesn't make sense to just take him off. Once again, his durability is very low, which is an accurate reflection of what you would expect if you were to get Bure on your NHL team. You'd still get his great speed and scorers touch, but you might only get it for 60 games, or 5 games.

I don't beleive in those garbage ratings where a guy misses a season, and he suddenly loses all his talent. It doesn't happen like that.

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10-19-2004, 12:17 PM
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I don't beleive in those garbage ratings where a guy misses a season, and he suddenly loses all his talent. It doesn't happen like that.
Oates? Dopita?
Oops sorry, they didn't miss a season and suddenly lose all talent, they PLAYED the season and lost their talent. LOL

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Okay I know Daze is injury prone... but he should not be that low. I mean in just about every rating too

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Gerber and Prusek have both put together a couple of solid seasons in a row. Bierk has bounced around the NHL, AHL, IHL, ECHL with limited degress of success.

I will knock down prusek's endurance though. This is why I said ignore OV... it's not a true indication. Gerber's endurance is low, which will affect his ability as a starting goaltender.

Same with Dafoe... why is it he has struggled in recent years? Injuries. Injuries have been his main issue, hence the reason is durability is so low.

As for Kolzig... you must not have seen very much of him. He had decent stats on a very bad team (compare him to goalenders on Pittsburgh, Chicago, Rangers, etc...).

Goaltenders, league-wide, are some of the best players in the league, and it's about time a sim-league recognized that, hence the reason some backups are at 78 or 79, because some of them are actually good enough to be starters.

Considering the fact that he hasn't retired yet, it doesn't make sense to just take him off. Once again, his durability is very low, which is an accurate reflection of what you would expect if you were to get Bure on your NHL team. You'd still get his great speed and scorers touch, but you might only get it for 60 games, or 5 games.

I don't beleive in those garbage ratings where a guy misses a season, and he suddenly loses all his talent. It doesn't happen like that.
Then Bure should be on the prospects list or something, I'm not saying he doesnt deserve those stats, I'm saying that he doesnt deserve a rating at all. He did not play a single game last year and i know that almost ALL sim leagues have, with a good reason, a rule stating that if a player doesn't play a single game in a season, he becomes on the prospects list...

Btw, OV is basically a good indicator considering guys like Prusek and Gerber all have PC/SK all in the low 80s, which I find a bit strange because that means in this league, that not a single goalie has a SK or PA or SC rating under 70.. I suppose that all the ratings are inflated so it doesnt really matter.. But its still weird


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Okay I know Daze is injury prone... but he should not be that low. I mean in just about every rating too
yeah, he's definitely a guy that needs to be fixed.

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Then Bure should be on the prospects list or something, I'm not saying he doesnt deserve those stats, I'm saying that he doesnt deserve a rating at all. He did not play a single game last year and i know that almost ALL sim leagues have, with a good reason, a rule stating that if a player doesn't play a single game in a season, he becomes on the prospects list...
I've been in several sim leagues, and not once have I ever seen a player with 10 years NHL experience get put on a prospects list. If a guy is injury prone, but still manages to put up his stats, you hammer him on his durability... it only makes sense.

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Btw, OV is basically a good indicator considering guys like Prusek and Gerber all have PC/SK all in the low 80s, which I find a bit strange because that means in this league, that not a single goalie has a SK or PA or SC rating under 70.. I suppose that all the ratings are inflated so it doesnt really matter.. But its still weird
No goalie has an SC rating at all... and of course a goaltender won't have a SK rating below 70, that wouldn't be at all realistic would it? Skating is a huge part of goaltending, and naturally, goaltenders are some of the better skaters out there. So of course that would be reflected in their SK rating.


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Hey DB, no slight to Doan, but how is he an 82 while Iginla is an 83?

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Hey DB, no slight to Doan, but how is he an 82 while Iginla is an 83?
stop looking at overall... it really is meaningless.

IT, SP, ST - Both of them are fairly equal... in these 3 categories, with Doan being slightly faster, and Iginla being slightly stronger and more intense.

EN - Iginla is slightly ahead here as well.

DU - Both are fairly equal here as well.

DI - The biggest gap between them. Iggy had 84 PIM's and Doan had 47 this past season.

SK - Iginla is a little stronger on his skates than Doan.

PA - Pretty close here, Doan gets a slight edge.

PC - Iginla once again is on top

DF - Iginla again, though they are fairly close

SC - Iginla is ahead rather significantly here, as they were 8 goals apart this past season.

Iginla is ahead, in almost everything, but things like Speed and strength (which they are fairly close to each other in) are factored in highly for the OV calculator.

I mean, if you only look to OV, sure, they look close, but OV has no factor in the sim, the individual characteristics do.

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Hey thats fine then man, I can handle that.

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stop looking at overall... it really is meaningless.

IT, SP, ST - Both of them are fairly equal... in these 3 categories, with Doan being slightly faster, and Iginla being slightly stronger and more intense.

EN - Iginla is slightly ahead here as well.

DU - Both are fairly equal here as well.

DI - The biggest gap between them. Iggy had 84 PIM's and Doan had 47 this past season.

SK - Iginla is a little stronger on his skates than Doan.

PA - Pretty close here, Doan gets a slight edge.

PC - Iginla once again is on top

DF - Iginla again, though they are fairly close

SC - Iginla is ahead rather significantly here, as they were 8 goals apart this past season.

Iginla is ahead, in almost everything, but things like Speed and strength (which they are fairly close to each other in) are factored in highly for the OV calculator.

I mean, if you only look to OV, sure, they look close, but OV has no factor in the sim, the individual characteristics do.
How abour St.Louis....? what you think?

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his offensive attributes are all very high, but his defensive ones aren't, which affects his OV.

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