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01-16-2012, 05:10 PM
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The Kings are on the ice in Vancouver for practice, without Anze Kopitar
You all know what that means right? E3 that Kopitar's trade is announced today.

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I wonder how people would feel if we were interested in say.... Hartnell? Sure he would cost us a player or two like Voynov and Kozun (or a 3rd pick in 12) but I wonder how people would feel if we ended up looking at him. I think the price is a little high but he sure fits the profile.

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You all know what that means right? E3 that Kopitar's trade is announced today.
Means Kopi is dinged up. He's been on the receiving end of a couple brutal hits the past two games. i am sure he wants to heal up and rest for the Canucks game.

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I wonder how people would feel if we were interested in say.... Hartnell? Sure he would cost us a player or two like Voynov and Kozun (or a 3rd pick in 12) but I wonder how people would feel if we ended up looking at him. I think the price is a little high but he sure fits the profile.
I would be interested, but the price would be way too high. The Flyers have one of the best offenses in the league and are looking for defense right now. They would be looking for players like Johnson, Mitchell, and Scuderi. They won't settle for prospects/picks, they are looking to win the Stanley Cup this very moment. They might settle for Voynov, but they would be looking for more than another prospect or pick to compliment the deal.

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01-16-2012, 05:54 PM
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I wonder how people would feel if we were interested in say.... Hartnell? Sure he would cost us a player or two like Voynov and Kozun (or a 3rd pick in 12) but I wonder how people would feel if we ended up looking at him. I think the price is a little high but he sure fits the profile.
Price for Hartnell inflated because he plays a lot with Giroux?

I wouldn't include Voynov in a package for Hartnell though I understand why the Flyers would insist on it.

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01-16-2012, 06:08 PM
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I'd be surprised if Philly moved Hartnell. I figure JVR would be moved before Hartnell. Then again, his latest injury might scare off some teams from dealing for JVR.

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Is Voynov big enough for the Flyers D? I thought they were looking to somehow replace a Pronger - which leads to a Nashville deal, afaik.

Hartnell? Isn't he going to be pretty expensive. Depends on the deal and how he gets on with M. Richards. Don't want the room screwed with, especially since Sutter's finally got them all pulling in the same direction. And playing hard.

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01-16-2012, 06:28 PM
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One player I still have my eye on that no one else does is Filatov. I was surprised that we didn't offer up anything to get him when he was dealt last time. His stats, overall, are fine for a rookie. 53GP 6G 8A 14P +7. With more development, I don't see how he doesn't make it to the NHL. These teams just keep rushing these young forwards and they don't give them enough time to grow. I bet if we offered Ottawa a 3rd/4th to recoup their investment, they would let him go to us. Then I would stick him in Manchester and re-develop him into a player that works with our system. If you signed him to a decent, but small, multi-year deal, you could easily entice him to come back over.

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I would like us to trade for MPS and Moen.

MPS brings speed and skill, while Moen brings physical presence. We definetely need a player that can take Smyth's role from last year (screen the goalie, especially in powerplay).

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Sure, Moen is the second leading goal scorer on the Canadiens, but it’s not because of his offensive wizardy. Moen’s got one move, and it doesn’t feature superior manual dexterity as much as it involves running over the goaltender and skating into the net with the puck.
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Offensive lines:

MPS-Kopitar-Williams (Speedy and skilled line)
Moen-Richards-Brown (Solid physical line)
Penner-Stoll-Richardson (Mixed line)
Clifford-Fraser/Lewis-Hunter/Westgarth (Physical line/Mixed line)

Tradeable assets:
- Martinez
- Hickey
- Loktionov (YES!)
- Penner
- 1st or 2nd 2013
- Johnson (Only for a solid top-six LW, 30+ G's)
- Bernier (Overpayment)
- Muzzin
- Kozun (Would be hard to trade... Love this player!)
- Forbort (Not sold on him... Mistake by drafting him... Though it can turn against me)

Loktionov -> AHL.
Gagne ->LITR
What do you think? What would Montreal want in return for Moen? Draftpick? Prospect? Big D, wing or C?
I believe that Martinez + a pick (2013?) could be enough for MPS.


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01-16-2012, 06:39 PM
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One player I still have my eye on that no one else does is Filatov. I was surprised that we didn't offer up anything to get him when he was dealt last time. His stats, overall, are fine for a rookie. 53GP 6G 8A 14P +7. With more development, I don't see how he doesn't make it to the NHL. These teams just keep rushing these young forwards and they don't give them enough time to grow. I bet if we offered Ottawa a 3rd/4th to recoup their investment, they would let him go to us. Then I would stick him in Manchester and re-develop him into a player that works with our system. If you signed him to a decent, but small, multi-year deal, you could easily entice him to come back over.
Definitely the type of deal Dean should be looking for IMO. I'm not looking so much for the homerun (Nash, Ryan, etc.), but add depth on the wing as inexpensively as possible and let the development system go to work.

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01-16-2012, 06:44 PM
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I would like us to trade for MPS and Moen.

MPS brings speed and skill, while Moen brings physical presence. We definetely need a player that can take Smyth's role from last year (screen the goalie, especially in powerplay).

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Sure, Moen is the second leading goal scorer on the Canadiens, but it’s not because of his offensive wizardy. Moen’s got one move, and it doesn’t feature superior manual dexterity as much as it involves running over the goaltender and skating into the net with the puck.
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I've been wanting Moen for YEARS. I assume that he'll be a target given Sutter and Dean's wants from our players, his upcoming free agent status, and Montreal's current standings projection. He'll definitely be moved.

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01-16-2012, 06:54 PM
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I would like us to trade for MPS and Moen.

MPS brings speed and skill, while Moen brings physical presence. We definetely need a player that can take Smyth's role from last year (screen the goalie, especially in powerplay).

From 2nd of December:



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MPS-Kopitar-Williams (Speedy and skilled line)
Moen-Richards-Brown (Solid physical line)
Penner-Stoll-Richardson (Mixed line)
Clifford-Fraser/Lewis-Hunter/Westgarth (Physical line/Mixed line)

Moveable assets:
- Martinez
- Hickey
- Loktionov (YES!)
- Penner
- 1st or 2nd 2013
- Johnson (Only for a solid top-six LW, 30+ G's)
- Bernier (Overpayment)
- Muzzin
- Kozun (Would be hard to trade... Love this player!)

Loktionov -> AHL.
Gagne ->LITR
What do you think?
Is Gagne going on Long Term IR? I haven't heard an update recently on his condition.

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01-16-2012, 06:57 PM
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Hartnell is friends with Richards...but his shooting percentage is currently at an unsustainable career peak (18.1%). The Flyers would be selling high. I don't think he's worth that much.

The idea of trading Voynov makes my stomach hurt. Maybe because it gives me flashbacks to the Zhitnik trade. (Yeah, I know they're not the same players, but I hated the idea of trading him back then too)

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01-16-2012, 07:07 PM
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One player I still have my eye on that no one else does is Filatov. I was surprised that we didn't offer up anything to get him when he was dealt last time. His stats, overall, are fine for a rookie. 53GP 6G 8A 14P +7. With more development, I don't see how he doesn't make it to the NHL. These teams just keep rushing these young forwards and they don't give them enough time to grow. I bet if we offered Ottawa a 3rd/4th to recoup their investment, they would let him go to us. Then I would stick him in Manchester and re-develop him into a player that works with our system. If you signed him to a decent, but small, multi-year deal, you could easily entice him to come back over.
I'd do it but it doesn't help much this year obviously.

Penner is a complete bust. Dean made a big deal and no one could have seen how bad Pens would be.

Gagne is probably never going to be what he once was.

At this point, I'm hoping that Kozun or Toffoli can make a difference sooner than later on the wing and that is not a comforting thought. Not much out there for LA imho.

Maybe a deal similar to Bernier/Voynov for B. Connolly.

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Hartnell is friends with Richards...but his shooting percentage is currently at an unsustainable career peak (18.1%). The Flyers would be selling high. I don't think he's worth that much.

The idea of trading Voynov makes my stomach hurt. Maybe because it gives me flashbacks to the Zhitnik trade. (Yeah, I know they're not the same players, but I hated the idea of trading him back then too)
I dunno Hartnell has consistently hovered around 14% shooting. No surprise they put him with a guy like Giroux and the ice seemingly frees up a little bit more for him.

You want to talk about crazy shooting % paces though?

Kostitsyn (NSH) 26.2% 11 goals 39 games
Glencross (Cal) 24.0% 18 goals 44 games


Scariest thing about Kostitsyn...he's only taken 42 shots. That is LOW. Glencross has taken nearly double that.

Last year he was 24.7% also, 23 goals on 93 shots
By Comparison, Kopitar had 25 goals on 233 shots

Pretty crazy when you consider he plays for Nashville...with a whole lot of nobodies.

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I've never been one for the far fetched FA frenzy but it looks like Parise will test the market and The Devils will more than likely hang onto him to try to make the playoffs to entice him to stay.

With Gags out indefinitely and Penner coming off the books next season, one has to argue that Dean will make a huge pitch for him seeing how he is the type of 2 way player that he is.

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Is Gagne going on Long Term IR? I haven't heard an update recently on his condition.
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Things aren’t going well for Simon Gagne, who suffered a concussion in the Kings’ Dec. 26 game against Phoenix and has missed five consecutive games. A couple people familiar with the situation have indicated that, at this moment, Gagne is nowhere close to returning to game action and that his availability for the rest of the season might be in doubt. The Kings would be allowed to put Gagne on long-term injured reserve, but they would only get salary-cap relief if they spent up to the cap maximum, this season or next season. Of course, things can change — and, for Gagne’s sake, hopefully will — but right now, Gagne does not seem headed for the type of short-term recovery that Mike Richards, for instance, had this season. Gagne has a history of concussions in the NHL, as he reportedly once had three concussions in one season. Justin Williams, one of Gagne’s closest friends on the team, said he didn’t know much about Gagne’s status.

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I mean it's pretty clear to me at this point that Parise stays. NJ is competitive, they have some youth....and they are going to have a lot of cap space in about 2 years time with Elias, Zubrus, and Salvador and Brodeur coming up for contract.

They could use that cap space to re-sign Parise and rope in some REALLY good players in FA or trade.

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I wonder how people would feel if we were interested in say.... Hartnell? Sure he would cost us a player or two like Voynov and Kozun (or a 3rd pick in 12) but I wonder how people would feel if we ended up looking at him. I think the price is a little high but he sure fits the profile.
I would pass.

Hartnell's having a breakout year, which means we would have to overpay and I don't like to overpay.

Having said that, Iginla, Carter and Stewart would be the top 3 wingers, I would pursue.

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One player I still have my eye on that no one else does is Filatov. I was surprised that we didn't offer up anything to get him when he was dealt last time. His stats, overall, are fine for a rookie. 53GP 6G 8A 14P +7. With more development, I don't see how he doesn't make it to the NHL. These teams just keep rushing these young forwards and they don't give them enough time to grow. I bet if we offered Ottawa a 3rd/4th to recoup their investment, they would let him go to us. Then I would stick him in Manchester and re-develop him into a player that works with our system. If you signed him to a decent, but small, multi-year deal, you could easily entice him to come back over.
He doesn't want to go to the AHL, that's part of the problem; he thinks his spot should be handed to him he doesn't want to earn it.

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He doesn't want to go to the AHL, that's part of the problem; he thinks his spot should be handed to him he doesn't want to earn it.
Wouldn't Filatov have to pass through waivers at this point (zero chance of that) to be sent to the AHL? He doesn't want to go and has to pass through waivers to go means the Kings give up picks to have him taken away for nothing...

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I would pass.

Hartnell's having a breakout year, which means we would have to overpay and I don't like to overpay.

Having said that, Iginla, Carter and Stewart would be the top 3 wingers, I would pursue.
Huge fan of Stewart. Would love to see him on the kings..

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The only players I would be interested in that are available for the Kings as a top 6 forward are Ruttu, Stafford, JVR, Whitney, Prospal. I think we need to make 2 trades 1 for one of those forwards and another for a player like Moen and I think we could do some damage in the playoffs. I think its pretty clear we're not going to get a top 3 winger at the deadline and I'd rather save our assests and go for Parise in the summer as a UFA.

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The only players I would be interested in that are available for the Kings as a top 6 forward are Ruttu, Stafford, JVR, Whitney, Prospal. I think we need to make 2 trades 1 for one of those forwards and another for a player like Moen and I think we could do some damage in the playoffs. I think its pretty clear we're not going to get a top 3 winger at the deadline and I'd rather save our assests and go for Parise in the summer as a UFA.
Those seem like the most likely targets.

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