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01-08-2012, 07:34 PM
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If we want Ryan be prepared to part with Kulikov.

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If we want Ryan be prepared to part with Kulikov.
No, he wants out(supposedly), it's been made known, it wouldn't cost us Kuli.

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01-08-2012, 08:26 PM
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No, he wants out(supposedly), it's been made known, it wouldn't cost us Kuli.
Who do you think would land him that wouldn't cost us too much?

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01-08-2012, 08:27 PM
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Who do you think would land him that wouldn't cost us too much?
A first round pick?

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A first round pick?
And Howden

And then some

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And Howden

And then some
thus the price is too high and we should not trade for ryan.

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thus the price is too high and we should not trade for ryan.
I'd part with a 1st + Howden for Ryan. The next addition really depends.

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01-08-2012, 08:53 PM
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I'd part with a 1st + Howden for Ryan. The next addition really depends.
Im skeptical about trading prospects (especially first round ones) who have not played a game in the nhl yet. Somehow i feel like that could come back and bite us in the ass in the long run.

The pick itself i feel is a little more nebulous.

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01-08-2012, 08:54 PM
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Look at Pronger and Heatley trades, even Turris. None of em cost a ton. Fans always overrate players and think they'll get more. Ryan wouldn't be cheap, but he wouldn't cost us the farm, either.

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01-08-2012, 09:07 PM
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Look at Pronger and Heatley trades, even Turris. None of em cost a ton. Fans always overrate players and think they'll get more. Ryan wouldn't be cheap, but he wouldn't cost us the farm, either.
All those trades had baggage with them.

Pronger, at least the trade that sent him from Edm to Anaheim was fueled by his wife wanting to get out of hell(flamesuit on).
I don't think there was any demands from his wife to leave Cali, but, age and the fact his next contract would be a 35+ might of hurt his return value

Heatley: From ATL to OTT, was due to Heatley demanding out of their after his unfortunate accident. They, ATL got a good return, and would of helped if they could of retained Hossa.
The second trade was due to Heatley being sick of Ott and having the advantage of a NTC, so he could control where he would go, screwing over the Senators.

Turris, he isn't as proven as Ryan. He was all potential, nothing more. Jury is still out on him, but he isn't near the level of Bobby Ryan. Now, unless Ryan starts doing situps on his driveway, I doubt Anaheim will be wanting to trade off their young powerforward. And if they decide to ship him off, they can trade him anywhere, due to no NTC, so all 29 teams can bid on him, therefore, increasing his return value IF teams start to fight over him.

Am I over valuing Ryan, probably.

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I brought them up because it's been going around that Ryan supposedly wants out of Anaheim. If that is the case, though, don't see Tallon going after him. Dunno, he's a great player. Would rather get Getzlaf, though, not sure that we'd do what it takes. Tallon is determined to stay the course.

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Im skeptical about trading prospects (especially first round ones) who have not played a game in the nhl yet. Somehow i feel like that could come back and bite us in the ass in the long run.

The pick itself i feel is a little more nebulous.
I'm skeptical that prospects can live up to their hype. We can have one guaranteed stud or hope a couple guys turn into a Bobby Ryan.

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Im skeptical about trading prospects (especially first round ones) who have not played a game in the nhl yet. Somehow i feel like that could come back and bite us in the ass in the long run.

The pick itself i feel is a little more nebulous.
Most certainly could, that's the drawback on dealing prospects+picks. Always an unknown. Can blow up in your face, or you can end up working the other team over. All a crap shoot. Fact is, Ryan is a proven commodity, an extremely talented dynamic power forward who would help our team immensely now, and in the future. If the addition to Howden was on the smaller side and marginal I'd be very hard pressed NOT to pull the trigger on that deal. That and the best player in the deal is coming to FLA, so I don't think Tallon would really lose it. Especially considering we wouldn't be a lotto team.

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Ryan would cost us Kulikov. No doubt. Kulikov and Howden would make sense.

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01-08-2012, 09:24 PM
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Ryan would cost us Kulikov. No doubt. Kulikov and Howden would make sense.
So you basically risk the chips in one area-Howden and stack them in another-Petrovic.

Can petrovic become a dependable defensemen in the future the way kulikov is.

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So you basically risk the chips in one area-Howden and stack them in another-Petrovic.

Can petrovic become a dependable defensemen in the future the way kulikov is.
I think the move could be made but we could be in major trouble if we get injuries on defense.

I don't see anyone replacing Kulikov in our system but as a whole our D should get better. Petrovic or Robak might move into the bottom pairing, and Kulikov's spot gets taken by Guds.

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Ryan would cost us Kulikov. No doubt. Kulikov and Howden would make sense.
Gud, Howden and a 2nd would be a good move for us.

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Gud, Howden and a 2nd would be a good move for us.
I dunno, I think Gudbranson has the potential to be something really special. Jonathan Cheechoo had a hell of a year once too.

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Kuli isn't going anywhere, lol.

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You think they would consider Howden+Santo+1st rd pick for Ryan?

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9/10 the team that gets the proven player wins the trade by a long shot. Prospects are exactly what the name says. They are prospective good NHL players. I'll give up 3 top level prospects for one already great player every time. Odds are that 2 out of the three prospects will not live up to potential and 1 won't ever make the NHL.

Whatever it takes to get Ryan, do it.

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9/10 the team that gets the proven player wins the trade by a long shot. Prospects are exactly what the name says. They are prospective good NHL players. I'll give up 3 top level prospects for one already great player every time. Odds are that 2 out of the three prospects will not live up to potential and 1 won't ever make the NHL.

Whatever it takes to get Ryan, do it.
You're talking about the Kessel trade aren't you?

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You're talking about the Kessel trade aren't you?

That was a bad team overpaying for a guy coming off of cancer. That was a bad trade from day one. But history shows that almost every time a team trades a proven player for prospects the team that gets the proven player wins.

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Ryan would cost us Kulikov. No doubt. Kulikov and Howden would make sense.
No way. Rather trade Guds. Kulikov won't get moved anywhere for any player.

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I would say that if you are able to get someone like Ryan, you do it, but not for Kulikov. If they want a package consisting of our 1st rounder this year, and Howden, then I would do it. Ryan is 24, and already has three 30+ goal seasons under his belt, and would be the ideal player to build around. Having him not only allows us to move Flash down to the 2nd line, but we also have the perfect player for Huberdeau down the line. As long as it doesnt cost us Huberdeau or Kulikov, I have no problem moving any other prospect or pick for him. Yes, even Bjugstad.

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