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02-14-2012, 09:10 PM
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02-14-2012, 09:13 PM
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That one may cause a stir. Fetisov and Clapper aren't close IMO.

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02-14-2012, 09:21 PM
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To Minnesota Fighting Saints: Fetisov (25), 407, 426 & 599
To Kimberley Dynamiters: Clapper (53), 332, 367 & 629
Again, there's basically no amount of picks that will make up the difference between Fetisov and Clapper. I vote veto.

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02-14-2012, 09:23 PM
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Blockbuster trade:

To Vancouver Millionares: Igor Larionov, Vyacheslav Starshinov, #362

To Kimberly Dynamiters: Bill Cowley, Bobby Bauer, #345
Not sure about this one. Cowley is easily the best player going, but Bauer is easily the worst.....

Suppose it's not really that unbalanced. Just don't really see why either would want to do it.

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02-14-2012, 09:25 PM
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Not sure about this one. Cowley is easily the best player going, but Bauer is easily the worst.....

Suppose it's not really that unbalanced. Just don't really see why either would want to do it.
Yeah...that was my thought too. It's not vetoable by any stretch and it's not even unbalanced....I was just surprised to see them both do it.

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02-14-2012, 09:44 PM
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I don't agree with the Clapper-Fetisov deal either...


Mr. Bugg, there's really no reason to try and blow up your whole team just because you can't do the concept ALL the way through. Just build best you can, and open yourself up to non-Russian players if you have to.

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02-14-2012, 09:47 PM
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I'll officially vote NO to the Bugg/Nalyd deal.

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I'm good with the first one.

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To Minnesota Fighting Saints: Fetisov (25), 407, 426 & 599
To Kimberley Dynamiters: Clapper (53), 332, 367 & 629
This one is a little more questionable. Again, let's make sure we don't criticize the GM's in this, because it seems ridiculously hard to make "even deals" when they involve players. Draft picks have general values, but opinions on players vary greatly.

Is +75, +59, -30 in the mid-to-late rounds enough going to Bugg to make up for the difference between Clapper and Fetisov? Not sure. I know I'd have no problem with it if the gaps were smaller and involved 5th or 6th round picks, but players were selected with those picks a long time ago. Would more players being involved help to balance it?

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02-14-2012, 10:40 PM
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I won't criticize Nalyd for saying yes to that deal. I'd have a hard time resisting too, considering he's getting a huge upgrade in #1 D in exchange for slightly worse third liners....

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02-14-2012, 10:51 PM
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If TDMM accepted me in the committee (which I strongly hope I can be a part of next year) I would veto the fetisov/clapper deal.

there's a real chance a random player available at 426th is better/equal than the random player picked at 367th.


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02-14-2012, 10:59 PM
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If TDMM accepted me in the committee (which I strongly hope I can be a part of next year) I would veto the fetisov/clapper deal.

there's a real chance a random player available at 426th is better/equal than the random player picked at 367th.
Or 2 players. Clapper and Richard for Fetisov and Mikhailov would be fair IMO.

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02-14-2012, 11:01 PM
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Or 2 players. Clapper and Richard for Fetisov and Mikhailov would be fair IMO.
yeah but those are earlier rounds picks , which is a common thing , the only differance is the picks are made.Now he's strongly upgrading his franchise level players for giving up some power in the 300s 400s picks.We're in 2nd pairing 3rd line territory.

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02-14-2012, 11:04 PM
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yeah but those are earlier rounds picks , which is a common thing , the only differance is the picks are made.Now he's strongly upgrading his franchise level players for giving up some power in the 300s 400s picks.We're in 2nd pairing 3rd line territory.
If you scrolled up, you'd see I was actually the first to chime in here.... and I said exactly that. At this point, there's no way picks can make up the difference between Fetisov and Clapper.

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02-14-2012, 11:05 PM
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Or 2 players. Clapper and Richard for Fetisov and Mikhailov would be fair IMO.
Really? Because I would run from that so fast. But, Unlike some here, I still view Richard as one of the best ever.

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there's a real chance a random player available at 426th is better/equal than the random player picked at 367th.
By that logic, all trades involving pics now should be vetoed.

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02-14-2012, 11:17 PM
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Really? Because I would run from that so fast. But, Unlike some here, I still view Richard as one of the best ever.



By that logic, all trades involving pics now should be vetoed.
Yeah I agree with Nalyd on Reen's second point here, that doesn't really make sense.

However, I'm sorry Nalyd I have to veto this one as well. I just don't think a picks only deal along with only these two players can make up for the difference between Clapper and Fetisov. If you add in more players (not necessarily Mikhailov and Richard as you're opposed to that) that were already selected, then I think that would be better.

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02-14-2012, 11:18 PM
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Really? Because I would run from that so fast. But, Unlike some here, I still view Richard as one of the best ever.
Yep, and we passed on him at #11, so we have a difference view of Richard.

Funny thing is I ran into some old dude at my local greek restaurant this morning, and he wasn't a fan of Maurice. I won't repeat what he said, since "Some Drunk Old Man" isn't really a reliable source.....

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By that logic, all trades involving pics now should be vetoed.
Well, all trades where there's a huge gap between players. If it was like Fetisov for Chelios or Robinson, some picks could make up the differnce, but Fetisov and Clapper are not even close.

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02-14-2012, 11:21 PM
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However, I'm sorry Nalyd I have to veto this one as well. I just don't think a picks only deal along with only these two players can make up for the difference between Clapper and Fetisov. If you add in more players (not necessarily Mikhailov and Richard as you're opposed to that) that were already selected, then I think that would be better.
No need to apologize. I assumed it would be vetoed...
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Well, all trades where there's a huge gap between players. If it was like Fetisov for Chelios or Robinson, some picks could make up the differnce, but Fetisov and Clapper are not even close.
But he didn't say that, he just said 426 could be worth more than 367. And that just doesn't make sense when discussing whether trades should be allowed. Because the only interpretation of that is that 426 being traded straight up for 367 is a fair trade.

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02-15-2012, 12:41 AM
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So is our trade official or not?

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02-15-2012, 12:45 AM
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that's not what I really wanted to say , I just said that to illustrate the fact it's possible to get a pretty close player at 426 to 367 but impossible to do such a thing in the beginning of the draft , and the same gap between talent in the early rounds has more impact on the games than the same gap of talent in later round.

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02-15-2012, 01:31 AM
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Looking to move up from 378. Say anywhere around the 340's give or take 10 or so picks.

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So is our trade official or not?
I see no reason why it shouldn't be, but maybe wait to get more of a consensus before moving on and doing anything else.

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that's not what I really wanted to say , I just said that to illustrate the fact it's possible to get a pretty close player at 426 to 367 but impossible to do such a thing in the beginning of the draft , and the same gap between talent in the early rounds has more impact on the games than the same gap of talent in later round.
I *think* I agree with this.

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02-15-2012, 10:13 AM
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Conditional Trade:

To Rogle BK: 332, 495 & 629
To Minnesota Fighting Saints: 386, 395 & 578

Dreakmer or Hobnobs to confirm.

Dreakmer knows the condition I have placed on the trade.

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02-15-2012, 10:19 AM
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Conditional Trade:

To Rogle BK: 332, 495 & 629
To Minnesota Fighting Saints: 386, 395 & 578

Dreakmer or Hobnobs to confirm.

Dreakmer knows the condition I have placed on the trade.
Seems fine

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02-15-2012, 10:25 AM
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Wow...I missed a lot obviously. The Fetisov - Clapper deal is crazy. No.

If Bugg can't get an unbalanced trade in his favor, he seems determined to give one to somebody else. I don't even understand it. Was Clapper a bolshevik or something?

I don't have a problem with the Minnesota - Rogle deal.

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02-15-2012, 12:14 PM
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Conditional Trade:

To Rogle BK: 332, 495 & 629
To Minnesota Fighting Saints: 386, 395 & 578

Dreakmer or Hobnobs to confirm.

Dreakmer knows the condition I have placed on the trade.
Confirmed. I'll be ready with either our pick or Nalyd's if his drops

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This is the only confirmed trade that needs to be processed right?

To Vancouver Millionares: Igor Larionov (136), Vyacheslav Starshinov (238), #362
To Kimberly Dynamiters: Bill Cowley(106), Bobby Bauer (296), #345

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