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01-01-2012, 12:03 AM
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Bobby Ryan
Jonas Hiller
2012 2nd

Ryan Miller
Derek Roy
2012 1st
Both goalies get a change in scene Ducks get a legitimate #2 center Buffalo gets 3 time 30 goal scorer power forward which adds grit to a soft team and the picks are for value.
Thoughts?


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01-01-2012, 12:07 AM
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Why does Buffalo have to give up a 1st round pick? Better question, why are they getting a 2nd in 2014?

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01-01-2012, 12:11 AM
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Bobby Ryan
Jonas Hiller
2012 2nd

Ryan Miller
Derek Roy
2012 1st
Both goalies get a change in scene Ducks get a legitimate #2 center Buffalo gets 3 time 30 goal scorer power forward which adds grit to a soft team and the picks are for value.
Thoughts?
As a Buffalo fan done deal.

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01-01-2012, 02:35 AM
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pass.. that 1st is going to be top 5 imho

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hmmm if that pick is lottery then I would do it.

This trade is in no way perfect for the Ducks though. 6.25 mil for a goaltender is alot and Roy is a UFA the same year as half the Ducks roster.

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01-01-2012, 09:44 AM
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Value is good, but then the Sabres pretty much have no centers.

Vanek-Hecht-Pominville
Ryan-Adam-Boyes
Gerbe-Gaustad-Stafford
Ellis-McCormick-Kaleta
IR: Leino, Ennis

Only one natural center in the lineup (Goose)...maybe Adam but he's probably better at wing. God help us when Hecht gets Brochen again.

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01-01-2012, 10:33 AM
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Value is good, but then the Sabres pretty much have no centers.

Vanek-Hecht-Pominville
Ryan-Adam-Boyes
Gerbe-Gaustad-Stafford
Ellis-McCormick-Kaleta
IR: Leino, Ennis

Only one natural center in the lineup (Goose)...maybe Adam but he's probably better at wing. God help us when Hecht gets Brochen again.
Yeah it certainly makes us thin at center, but I'd be up for trying pominville at center if need be. A line of Vanek-Pominville-Ryan would look pretty nice.

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01-01-2012, 10:34 AM
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Value is good, but then the Sabres pretty much have no centers.

Vanek-Hecht-Pominville
Ryan-Adam-Boyes
Gerbe-Gaustad-Stafford
Ellis-McCormick-Kaleta
IR: Leino, Ennis

Only one natural center in the lineup (Goose)...maybe Adam but he's probably better at wing. God help us when Hecht gets Brochen again.
We won't lose once Roy is off the roster. In all seriousness, most fans would probably do this deal, but Buffalo management doesn't--in all likelihood, neither does Anaheim's. You touched on Buffalo's center issues and Miller is one of the faces of the franchise.

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Swap Getzlaf in place of Ryan and this might be the start of a workable trade with the principles being Roy and Miller for Getzlaf and Hiller....then start working out the loose ends and balancing the books.

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Swap Getzlaf in place of Ryan and this might be the start of a workable trade with the principles being Roy and Miller for Getzlaf and Hiller....then start working out the loose ends and balancing the books.
Doesn't help the Ducks at all. Our need is a #2 center, not give up our #1C.

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01-01-2012, 01:18 PM
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Roy and Miller
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Holland and Anaheim 1st round pick (plus any necessary salary dumps)

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Doesn't help the Ducks at all. Our need is a #2 center, not give up our #1C.

So where does Ryan Miller come into the trade talks in this deal? The principles to me seem to be Roy and Ryan which is a workable trade...but to throw in Mller and trade down our 1st round pick for Hiller would be foolish. This deal doesnt help the Sabres either.

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Buffalo needs centers. This doesn't help them at all.

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01-01-2012, 02:04 PM
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Buffalo needs centers. This doesn't help them at all.
On it's own it doesn't. I'd do this trade, then call up Los Angeles about Stoll, and I'd call the islanders about Nielsen. Both could probably be had for fairly cheap. Boyes for Stoll has been kicked around, and I think Nielsen could be had for a 2nd.

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01-01-2012, 02:27 PM
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Roy and Miller
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Holland and Anaheim 1st round pick (plus any necessary salary dumps)
That pick is going nowhere. Assuming it is a top 3 pick I wouldnt even trade it straight up for weber/suter. Not that I think the pick will be alot better or anything, but an ELC producing at a usefull pace is extremely valuable to the DUcks.

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01-01-2012, 02:33 PM
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On it's own it doesn't. I'd do this trade, then call up Los Angeles about Stoll, and I'd call the islanders about Nielsen. Both could probably be had for fairly cheap. Boyes for Stoll has been kicked around, and I think Nielsen could be had for a 2nd.
I see the Boyes deal happening at the trade deadline but only if Buffalo adds. I think the Isles keep Frans.

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01-01-2012, 02:43 PM
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Roy and Miller
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Holland and Anaheim 1st round pick (plus any necessary salary dumps)
There's no way the Ducks obtain a #1 goalie without sending Hiller the other way. (Unless you're referring to Hiller as the necessary salary dump) They simply cannot afford to have both on the books and there's no guarantee of being able to trade Hiller in a separate deal. That would kill them salary wise. Also, I don't see them trading their lottery pick.

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01-01-2012, 03:57 PM
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To BUF

Bobby Ryan

To ANA

Drew Stafford
Luke Adam
Mike Weber

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01-01-2012, 04:14 PM
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Roy and Miller
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Holland and Anaheim 1st round pick (plus any necessary salary dumps)
The only salary dump there could be is Hiller. Roy + Miller isn't worth Hiller + lottery pick, much less adding Holland.

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To BUF

Bobby Ryan

To ANA

Drew Stafford
Luke Adam
Mike Weber

This is a good offer...I would give Anaheim the option to swap out Luke Adam for Derek Roy if they prefer him.

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01-01-2012, 04:42 PM
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This is a good offer...I would give Anaheim the option to swap out Luke Adam for Derek Roy if they prefer him.
Yeah i'd rather have Roy but what if we add holland and you guys scrap weber but add Armia would you still do it

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01-01-2012, 04:50 PM
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If Bobby Ryan is in play, he should be wearing a Sabres jersey soon. He is the type of player we need and the pieces that would be needed to get him would be a good start to changing the identity of the Sabres.

If I remember previously, Ducks needed some speed and a dman.

Ennis, Sekera, Calgarys 2nd
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Ryan

Or

Stafford, Sekera

Or

Straight up swap for Pominville.

I think a deal could be made around one of our glut of wingers not named Vanek n Kassian and our glut if dmen not named myers, McNabb, Regher. We have talent in the d ranks, young talent but if you want young then a guy like Stafford would need to go to you bc if cap. But if I'm Regier, Ryan would be my main target and no other GM would outbid me.

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01-01-2012, 04:55 PM
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If it's Ryan you want then how about this deal:

Stafford - fills in for Ryan
Ennis - fills a need for the Quacks with speed
Sekera - good defense man

Just throwing around ideas

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If it's Ryan you want then how about this deal:

Stafford - fills in for Ryan
Ennis - fills a need for the Quacks with speed
Sekera - good defense man

Just throwing around ideas
Ryan's good...Just not good enough to warrant this package. Sekera's been our 2nd best dman all year behind regehr. Ennis is part of the young core I want to see coming up. Take 1 out, leave one of them in. If we're trading both of them to the ducks and including one or two other pieces, getzlaf better be coming back. I'm ok with ditching stafford though.

What about Staff+Weber+Ennis for Ryan?


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