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OK Let's say we are sellers..... WHO DO YOU SELL?

View Poll Results: Which players do you trade this year if you are GM?
Travis Moen 221 59.41%
Hal Gill 309 83.06%
Andrei Kostystsyn 144 38.71%
Josh Gorges 14 3.76%
PK Subban 19 5.11%
Mike Cammeleri 252 67.74%
Yanick Webber 232 62.37%
Carey Price 12 3.23%
Brian Gionta 186 50.00%
Lars Eller 13 3.49%
Tomas Plekanec 48 12.90%
Max Paccioretti 12 3.23%
Chris Campoli 321 86.29%
Louis Leblanc 11 2.96%
Tomas Kaberle 197 52.96%
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01-01-2012, 10:19 PM
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My 4 untouchables:

-Eller
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-Leblanc
-PK

I'd, at least, listen to the offers for anyone else...

The UFAs would be first to go.
Then the vets with OK contracts.
Try to get any scraps for overpaid vets...

Fill the bank with picks and prospects.
Keep all our picks and prospects.
So Price isn't untouchable for you?

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Only in Montreal.

Boston disagrees with your assessment.
I wish we had a gritty tough team like them. I wish more teams would go back to a rough and tumble style of in your face play like that I miss the days of the Broad Street Bullies and the big bad bruins and the flying frenchmen.

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I wish we had a gritty tough team like them. I wish more teams would go back to a rough and tumble style of in your face play like that I miss the days of the Broad Street Bullies and the big bad bruins and the flying frenchmen.
Lots of teams still play that way today.

Damned shame that Gainey and Gauthier have taken that away from this team. We need Gauthier gone and get a new GM who believes in toughness and role players.

We are now a team of players just thrown together in a mish-mash of changing lines with no identity. We need a team with players who have identified roles to play. Two scoring lines. One checking line. One energy/tough/fighting line. No Moens on the top line and no Webers or Darches or players like that on the 4th line.

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We are in no position, future wise or present, to trade Plekanec. Been the leading scorer of a weak offensive team facing the toughest competition for 3 years now.

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Lots of teams still play that way today.

Damned shame that Gainey and Gauthier have taken that away from this team. We need Gauthier gone and get a new GM who believes in toughness and role players.

We are now a team of players just thrown together in a mish-mash of changing lines with no identity. We need a team with players who have identified roles to play. Two scoring lines. One checking line. One energy/tough/fighting line. No Moens on the top line and no Webers or Darches or players like that on the 4th line.
Oh what a dream come true that would be. I so want to get Bowman running this team if there was a way to get him here he would bring some strict policy with him. I still remember talking to Shutt who told us that with Bowman he was a hard guy to like as you hagted him 364 days a year but the day you recieved your ring you loved the guy.

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Price is 24... how the **** is he not part of the future ? Do you have a replacement ? And please don't ****ing say Malcom Subban...

And Leblanc ? Do you even know what re-building means ?

For me it's simple :

Get rid of Gomez any way possible.

Trade Gill, AK, Campoli and Weber... maybe Moen if the offers are good (min 2nd round pick)

Entertain seriously offers for Cammy, Gionta and Kaberle.

Move Pleks if only the return is salivating (Staal, Getzlaf, Radulov, etc.)

Build upon Price, Subban and Pacioretty.
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Moen, Gill, Kostitsyn, Campoli, possibly one of Diaz or Weber. I doubt Kabs will get moved, but his improved offensive play may make him appealing. I doubt Camy or Gio gets moved, but it may benefit the team long term to move ONE of them. Other than the first 4 names, the other guys should only be moved for actual value.

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I bet I can guess who those 6 votes for Price came from.

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Lots of teams still play that way today.

Damned shame that Gainey and Gauthier have taken that away from this team. We need Gauthier gone and get a new GM who believes in toughness and role players.

We are now a team of players just thrown together in a mish-mash of changing lines with no identity. We need a team with players who have identified roles to play. Two scoring lines. One checking line. One energy/tough/fighting line. No Moens on the top line and no Webers or Darches or players like that on the 4th line.
What team plays that way?

I wouldn't mind an enforcer but it has to be somebody taht can play and not hurt the team. Hordichuk and Winchester were two guys I liked this past summer.

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I bet I can guess who those 6 votes for Price came from.
I was one of them not going to deny it or hide it.

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So Price isn't untouchable for you?
For me, the only untouchables in this rebuild process are guys that are on an entry-level contract, have a cap hit of 850K to 1.5M and aren't RFAs.

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i had several players listed, but under different categories...

Kaberle, Cammy, Campoli
Moen, Gill, Gionta
Kost

Definitely Trade:

Kaberle: trade him for whatever we can get

too expensive for a guy who is most useful playing >18min/game in a pp focused role. too soft given the other, cheaper, offensively skilled bottom-4 dmen we have (diaz/weber/nash/st-denis)

Cammalleri: trade him for whatever we can get

one-dimensional and not worth his contract. yes, the playoff heroics are great, but 6M$ can be better spent elsewhere. also don't like the stuff starting to leak out about his character (which is only supported by his behavior on-ice). not a guy who should be a core piece, so better to move him even if we get only a modest return.

Campoli: trade him for whatever we can get

redundant player, just last year earned a 2nd + young player at the deadline... if we can get a 2nd I'd be ecstatic.



Trade if the return is right:

Moen: at least a 2nd, if not more

I wouldn't be bothered at all, and in fact would fully support, re-signing Moen for another 2-3 yrs on a sub-2M$ deal. If habs feel same way and keep him to re-sign him, great... but if we aren't going to re-sign him (and PG should know by now if the player/team have similar ideas about his worth), then we need to move him and get the best return possible... which should be a 2nd by the deadline.

Gill: late 1st or early 2nd

If the return isn't there (again, it should be), then I'd be ok with him sticking around to finish off the season if only for his veteran presence and what he adds to the locker room... don't want to see him re-signed though, so best bet is trading him.

Gionta: 1st + quality prospect(s)

No need to move Gionta, his cap hit is a bit high but he plays hard and provides a solid veteran presence, so keeping him is not a problem if the return isn't enough to force our hand... he isn't indispensable though, so if we do get a great offer than he should be available as well.


Trade ONLY if team decides they won't re-sign him

A.Kost: 1st + quality prospect

I'd like to see him re-signed for 2-4 yrs, but if they can't get a deal done by the deadline and/or aren't confident that a deal will get done before end of season, then better to cut losses and get quality assets in return.



bottom line is that we should be VERY active in the next 2 months, with the focus being on shedding salary & accumulating picks/prospects, while "whittling" down the roster to the core guys (at least talking about veterans)

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Carey Price, only player that will yield any decent value. The goalie position is important but the difference between an elite goalie and a good goalie is so small.
Gonna have to disagree on that or say that difference is what wins Cups, particularly in Montreal. Carey stays. In fact the only ones I would think about trading would be Weber, Campoli and Gill.

Cammy is IMO having a bad season and I think we've forgotten that he pretty much replaced Kovy in our hearts the past two seasons, regular as well. Look at the jerseys in the stands, they don't lie. It's hard to remember, I'll grant that.


The three I mentioned are no help to our team and while Weber can be good, he'll only be as useful as a PP specialist or a 7th given who we have coming into the system. If he had scored more on the PP this year I might give him a shot, but he's had his chances, his shot isn't much better than Spacek's was. Campoli just sucks and Gill is making wayyyyy too many mistakes. Yes he is great on the PK, but , again, as we move forward, we need real shutdown guys. I like Gill, but IF we can get something good for him, do it cuz he's showing his age this season.

Emelin
Subban
Markov (yes, that guy)
Gorges

That's a great top 4 with room to acquire/develop the other 2 or 3 and also I think Diaz is great. Very reliable.

I'd say Kaberle too, BUT if he's the 5th or 6th D when Markov is healthy, it adds a lot to our arsenal plus we can trade him later.

I think everything depends on the return. I never actually want one of our guys to leave (cept Campoli), but if we pull out a blockbuster deal, I'd get over it. Who voted for Louis? I don't think that would go down well with the fanbase at all. The kid is great and, oh, what's that other thing...

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We are in no position, future wise or present, to trade Plekanec. Been the leading scorer of a weak offensive team facing the toughest competition for 3 years now.
That AND is the best defensive fwd since Carbo that I've ever been around to see (too young to enjoy the intricacies of Gainey's game). The guy is a machine and the smartest guy on the team on par with Markov. Detroit has lots of smart players with great vision. We need that. I also enjoy that Eller is patterning himself after Pleks although he obviously has other things to bring to the table.

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That AND is the best defensive fwd since Carbo that I've ever been around to see (too young to enjoy the intricacies of Gainey's game). The guy is a machine and the smartest guy on the team on par with Markov. Detroit has lots of smart players with great vision. We need that. I also enjoy that Eller is patterning himself after Pleks although he obviously has other things to bring to the table.
You don't trade Plekanec unless somebody offers you Getzlaf or Malkin for him.

At 5 mil with all he does(points, PK, tough defensive matchups) he has a very cap friendly contract. Would take a ridiculous offer to move him.

The untoucheables should be Price Subban Emelin Diaz Gorges Plekanec Pacioretty Cole Eller DD LeBlanc.

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-Hamilton?
-Buy him out?
-Loan him to Ak Bar Khazan?

Someone will need to do the dirty job of shipping him out of Montreal.
No question Gomez does not earn his salary, but.............

What has our record been without him playing?

How has Plekanec's production been affected without Gomez in the lineup?

Unless we need to fix the cap this very season to take on a heavy contract who will play up to his contract, then might as well keep Scott til years end.

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We are in no position, future wise or present, to trade Plekanec. Been the leading scorer of a weak offensive team facing the toughest competition for 3 years now.
As much as it would pain me to trade him away, he's not going to be able to help us to win a cup. He's never going to be better than he is now and he's turning 30 this year.

The fact that trading him away will hurt us short term shouldn't stop us from doing what needed to be done long ago. What's happening right now was predictable a long time ago. If we'd rebuilt properly way back when then Pleks could be playing a key role on a strong team. That didn't happen. We wasted our time and spun our wheels with quick fixes and now we have yet another bubble team.

Pleks SHOULD be dealt because he's older, can help other teams win now and will garner the best return. He should NOT be dumped for nothing. Teams will pay for this guy as he'd be a great asset for a team making a cup (or playoff) run. If it's another bubble team that wants him... fine. If it's a contender... great. Just make sure we get a good return.

If we don't do this now, then in five years we'll be asking the same questions about a 30 year old Carey Price and what we should do with him to fix our bubble team. Let's not repeat the same mistakes over and over. We're not going anywhere with Pleks. That's not his fault, it's ours. So let's maximize his value and correct the mistake we've made in the past of going down the quick fix route. Enough is enough, it's time to actually build a team capable of winning something.
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You don't trade Plekanec unless somebody offers you Getzlaf or Malkin for him.
Right because as everyone knows, Plekanec = Malkin.

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At 5 mil with all he does(points, PK, tough defensive matchups) he has a very cap friendly contract. Would take a ridiculous offer to move him.
Why? He's not going to win anything on this team this year or next. He's in his prime and the window on him winning anything with us is probably already past. There's no reason not to deal this guy. It doesn't have to be Evegeni Malkin coming back the other way dude.
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The untoucheables should be Price Subban Emelin Diaz Gorges Plekanec Pacioretty Cole Eller DD LeBlanc.
Pleks and esp Cole don't belong on this list at all. And while I'm not in favour of trading away youth, a lot of those guys aren't untouchable by any stretch.


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Moen, Campoli, Gill: UFAs that I just don't want back.... might as well get a 2nd or 3rd for them.

Cammalleri, Gionta: They both hold SOME value... Cammalleri doesn't seem to be happy here anymore, might as well use him to get someone who fits our mold better (Ideal world, I think we need someone who's faster and more involved in the play. Doesn't NECESSARILY need to be bigger, but would be a plus if possible, especially if trading for a center). Gionta works hard and stuff, I'm not bashing him, but I think if we can improve, we can afford to move him.

Eller: Still young, probably holds decent value, just doesn't seem like it's clicking that much for him here. Ideal world, I'd like the coach to plug AK right next to him and let them play, but if it's not going to happen, might be someone to use in package with Cammy to get better. I also, personally, don't have faith in DD that much, so I want another center.

EDIT: I think Kaberle can work well if paired with the right partner. I do not think his contract is THAT BAD, compared to other guys around the league. If the right offer comes along, he's moveable, but not my priority, given that Markov is still nowhere to be seen.

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I think we should package Darche + Budaj, maybe even add Nokelainen as an enticer.

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Habs should be sellers but they don't have to much to sell...

Has to be traded
Gill : I'm pretty sure that he isn't coming back next year anyway. He could fetch a decent return. Maybe a 2nd or 3rd and a low tier prospect.

Campoli : Everyone thinks he's bad, I'm one of these person. However, the Hawks traded a 2nd to get him at the deadline last year. I don't think his value will be that high this year, however we might be able to get a 4th or a 5th for him. Better than nothing!

Gomez : Well... Habs will have to find a way to get rid of him before next season anyway. However, I believe they will adress the issue this summer.

Depends on the return

Darche, Nokkelainen : I think it's 50/50 whether these guys are back next year. A decent return for them would be a 4th or 5th. If we can't get this kind of return, I'd rather keep Darche and Petteri then trading them for an AHL filler.

Cammy : I don't see him as a good fit for the Habs anymore. It's hard to evaluate his value. I'm not against trading him but it's not urgent. I'd rather trade him when his value will be higher (maybe next year?)

Weber : I know he isn't playing much but I don't want to give him away for free. I'd ask for a 3rd (at least)

Moen : I'd like to keep him for another year or two, since our bottom 6 might be very young next year. However, if a team offers more than a 2nd pick for him, I'd be tempted to trade Moen. We can always replace him to summer with a UFA.

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The rest are either "untouchables" or pointless to include in a trade since their value to the Habs is higher then their trading value.

Hopefully, PG doesn't trade picks and prospects because he wants to climb in the standings in an attempt to save his job.

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As much as it would pain me to trade him away, he's not going to be able to help us to win a cup. He's never going to be better than he is now and he's turning 30 this year.

The fact that trading him away will hurt us short term shouldn't stop us from doing what needed to be done long ago. What's happening right now was predictable a long time ago. If we'd rebuilt properly way back when then Pleks could be playing a key role on a strong team. That didn't happen. We wasted our time and spun our wheels with quick fixes and now we have yet another bubble team.

Pleks SHOULD be dealt because he's older, can help other teams win now and will garner the best return. He should NOT be dumped for nothing. Teams will pay for this guy as he'd be a great asset for a team making a cup (or playoff) run. If it's another bubble team that wants him... fine. If it's a contender... great. Just make sure we get a good return.

If we don't do this now, then in five years we'll be asking the same questions about a 30 year old Carey Price and what we should do with him to fix our bubble team. Let's not repeat the same mistakes over and over. We're not going anywhere with Pleks. That's not his fault, it's ours. So let's maximize his value and correct the mistake we've made in the past of going down the quick fix route. Enough is enough, it's time to actually build a team capable of winning something.
Well obviously ANYONE can be traded if the return is good. I'd trade Subban and Pacioretty in a heart beat if the return is good. It's easy to say trade Plekanec when you put it that way. The point is you have to be realistic. Especially in the position of selling low (struggling/desperate teams don't really have leverage). You can't assume some GM out there is willing to sell the farm to set us up for the future. They will without a doubt try very hard to get him for as little as possible. Plekanec, whether we like it or not, is no Mike Richards or Jeff Carter. Not a lot of teams trade their signed, under 30, #1 C...I'd wager it has something to do with the return not being of their liking.

Another thing, how long will it take to find another capable top center? We've had Koivu, Plekanec, Ribeiro (all average 1Cs at their best) come through our team in over a decade. This organization had so much trouble getting a proven center they went after Gomez.

There is no loss from keeping our best forward. Opportunity loss you're suggesting is highly depended on the return being good. Let's be honest here, what suggests Gauthier can achieve that?

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Assuming you're going for a Philly-style 1-year retool (I think this season is toast unless the team gets healthy by the third week of January and some tremendous luck) rather than an Islanders/Columbus/Florida/Edmonton/Atlanta perpetual rebuild I'd look into moving all the pending UFAs and Kaberle (redundant if Markov gets healthy, bottom-pairing dman at even-strength).

I like Kostitsyn but he's a guy I would look at moving. You can probably replace him on the UFA market at a cost of an marginal $750k or so more than what Kostisyn would probably re-sign for.

I do like the core of the team, though there are holes. Cammalleri has heated up lately since being taken off of Plekanec's wing and the tremendous defensive responsibility and situations that comes with it. If you get a ridiculous offer for Cammalleri sure trade him but unless you have a guy coming into replace him you're just opening up a hole. I have the same thoughts on Gionta though his skating and speed means that his scoring generally is not as punished by playing in the extreme defensive situations as Cammalleri's scoring is.

Get some future assets, but also open up some flexibility for summer moves. Even if Markov comes back 100% the team really needs a top-4 dman in the worst way. Find one of those, a 2nd/3rd-line winger, a defensive centre (Frans Nielsen please) to take more of the defensive load from Plekanec, and some ******* health and the team should be very, very good next season. Easier said than done, mind you.

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you can't move all the veterans on this team. you do that, you end up with a team like edmonton, or long island, stuck in youthful mediocrity. guys like kaberle, cole, gionta and especially moen i think are important to keep. ****, even gill i'd consider re-signing.

moen, gill and cammy are the three that will garner the most return, so it's up to PG to weight the pros and cons of moving them. for example, what do you think will happen to our pk once both gill and moen are gone?

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Its more than just unloading players just for the sake of unloading UFAs. You have to look at value.

Moen is valuable because he can score goals and fight. He would be very good in a 4th line role as he would be a threat to score and or take care of business on the ice with White and _________(other fighter who plays center). That is called having a well rounded team and Moen would be a very valuable piece of the puzzle.

And as such, Moen would bring more value to this team in that role than what Gomez, Cammallerri, Gionta, Weber, Campoli, Gill, or Darche in their roles and what they bring to the Habs.
The point many guys here are trying to make is: Don't let decent UFA players walk for nothing, Like we have for the last 6 years.

Ask Moen to sign, now. If he does not, trade his ass for a 2nd round pick. Ask AK to sign now too, same thing. Don't lose the guy for nothing.

Gill, Moen, AK, Campoli, and any other FA are at least worth picks, low or high. Picks are very very important in the Cap NHL.

Get the picks if:

1. We make them an offer and the UFA does not agree.
2. We don't want them next year anyway.

It's not tough to get. We're sellers this year, finally, without doubt. Problem in years past is we've been crap, but 8th or 9th at the deadline. Not this year guys.

Offer and sell. They just did it with Gorges. If Gorges had said no, I think they would have traded him at deadline. Let's hope they keep this up. The Gorges signing shows we're thinking of being sellers. Thank god.

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Originally Posted by BaseballCoach View Post
No question Gomez does not earn his salary, but.............

What has our record been without him playing?

How has Plekanec's production been affected without Gomez in the lineup?

Unless we need to fix the cap this very season to take on a heavy contract who will play up to his contract, then might as well keep Scott til years end.
As usual Coach....your pointing out things that many fail to see... (or won't admit)

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