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01-01-2012, 10:01 PM
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Martin St. Louis HHOF?

Martin St Louis ( undrafted )

GP: 886
Pts: 808

Has won the Art Ross, Hart, Lester B Pearson, Stanley Cup... do you think he has a reasonable chance to be voted into the HHOF? What would it take for him to be a lock or did he come into the league too late in his career?


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I think he's a Hall of Famer at this point. Not to go all "if player X is in then player Y should be too" but if you compare his resume to Cam Neely's (chosen because he's a recent player with lower career GP and compiling totals) then St. Louis wins in most substantive ways (trophies, team success, placements in the league's scoring races, etc.).

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He should probably get in if he retired today. Given his peak value, if he reaches 1000 points, he'd be a lock.

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Among the elite in the NHL for about a decade. Good enough for me. Another key is saying his name out loud. Does it sound funny thinking of him among the best of his generation? Would he be out of place in the HHOF? I don't think he would anymore

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I would guess that he is already basically a lock. Good hardware, including a cup, plus with enough additional elite seasons. Seems like a good guy as I have never heard anything bad about him from the media. He is also a nice story with his long road to the NHL and his size, so that should help. May also get some benefit for being the best ever player for the Tampa Bay franchise, but they might be too obscure for it to make a significant difference.

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Martin St Louis ( undrafted )

GP: 886
Pts: 808

Has won the Art Ross, Hart, Lester B Pearson, Stanley Cup... do you think he has a reasonable chance to be voted into the HHOF? What would it take for him to be a lock or did he come into the league too late in his career?
3 more seasons of 70ish points and maybe 30 or so playoff points, the more he can add as he ages the better for his case.

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He had point finishes of 1st, 2nd, 5th and 6th. I can't imagine anyone ever doing that and not getting into the Hall of Fame, let alone a guy who has a great playoff record including a Cup win where he was the Hart trophy winner and has all the intangibles going in his favour. I think any Hart trophy/Art Ross winner is going to get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to HHOF voting and will need some serious reasons to leave them out. If they leave out St. Louis then that's the worst omission yet.

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He doesnt have the nice round career numbers that they like but he definitely has the character and story they love so i dont see him getting snubbed on that basis. I dont have to say much about his accomplishments and his play speaks for itself: one of the hardest workers, elite set of skills, great scorer, great/elite playmaker, can play in every situation, plays huge, can play very good defensively, leader. One of the very best players of the past decade.

For all of the attention Stamkos has gotten recently i only think that hes been better than St Louis this season basically because so much of his success has been independent of St Louis for the first time.

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I would put him in tomorrow. I dont need any round numbers.

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Retirement. 4-time all-star at a deep position in the deepest era, 4-time top 6 scorer (that's more than Yzerman, Francis, Robitalle, Savard, Brett Hull and many more, equal to Perreault, Clarke and Trottier), Hart, Art Ross, Pearson, Cup, complete game, awesome playoff stats... with a peak like that who needs to tack on more points?

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If he's not already he's not far off. Just one more good season and/or playoff run and he should be over the top. Key word is should and not will. He has the numbers working against him because of his late start to his career. But arguably the only other winger I can think of from his generation that I would take over him is Jagr, who's quite possibly a top 25 player of all time.

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One of the best players of his generation. Definitely deserving.

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Interesting... although he is the kind of player who is difficult to dislike, I expected more divurgence of opinion based purely on career games/points + age.

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A better and more accomplished individual than such HOFers as Neely, Shutt, Barber, Federko, Mullen, G.Anderson and L.MacDonald. He should get in.

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You also can add his strong defensive play into account. I don't know his Selke voting record off by heart, but it can't be too bad. Plus the Lady Byng voting record certainly can't hurt him, maybe not help him a whole lot but playing a clean game despite not being a perimeter player goes for something.

Oh yeah, the guy wasn't a wimp either. Last year in the playoffs he loses a couple teeth and basically shakes it off. This is a Lady Byng winner by the way

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It would be the HHOF's worst omission ever amongst NA players... (if you don't consider Mark Howe an omission anymore, and if you consider Jagr is a lock).

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It would be the HHOF's worst omission ever amongst NA players... (if you don't consider Mark Howe an omission anymore, and if you consider Jagr is a lock).
Adam Oates is worse.

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very under rated. should be there with no second look

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Adam Oates' entire existence in hockey is a slap in his face. What a fantastic hockey player, and just no respect - right from the entry draft to the hall of fame.

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"if st louis doesnt make it into the hhof when he retires, im going to scissor kick a toddler into the path of a bullet train and jump off the cn tower in a morphsuit streaming 20 feet of toilet paper stuck to my left shoe behind me in blind rage." - dali lama

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Interesting... although he is the kind of player who is difficult to dislike, I expected more divurgence of opinion based purely on career games/points + age.
The majority of people in here understand that career numbers mean jack squat. So most are going to agree that he's a HOFer.

I'm not so sure it's a slam dunk with the selection committee though. They love their career stats, so I could see St. Louis getting left out for a few years until there's enough of an outcry.

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I think all he has to do at this point is retire and then wait 3 years.

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It would be the HHOF's worst omission ever amongst NA players... (if you don't consider Mark Howe an omission anymore, and if you consider Jagr is a lock).
Is there anyone who doesn't?

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