I don't think they played well at all tonight. No way. I said in the 1st period they looked slow, and unprepared except for Marty. They kept it in the zone way too long. It was probably the worst 1st period this season where they didn't give up a goal. The 2nd wasn't much better, and neither was the 3rd.
I don't think this Devils team has had a GOOD loss in a while. Most of them were from lack of effort, or giving up shorties. Not because they were outplayed gracefully. Boston was the last really good loss we had I think. Even that could have gone the other way had we kept it out of the zone in the 3rd. Minnesota was a good loss, but we royally screwed up in the first 10 minutes.
The Rangers one wasn't so bad. I thought it was that night, but looking back it was okay. No disaster.
I agree.
They looked so lackluster. As if they were waking up from an all-night Jack-Daniels Binge or something.
Marty made some big saves tonight, but the shorty against was pretty weak. Still, Sens deserved a goal before that so I'm not going to put the blame on him.
Didn't see the game yet. Any redeeming qualities before I pull up the replay? TG's post doesn't look very positive, unless Pete saying 12 SHGAs something to chalk up a positive.
Was the first goal a blown D coverage goal? That would have completed the bubble team Devils duet of goals against.
Also I streamed the penalty by clarkson, I dunno how he thinks that wasn't a penalty. Just cause it is in OT and we never get the calls in the last few moments doesn't mean you can have the stick parallel to the ice with it by his hands.
Marty played great. He gave up a piss poor goal to tie the game though. But the only reason the Devils even got a point is because of him.
They looked so lackluster. As if they were waking up from an all-night Jack-Daniels Binge or something.
When Chico said ''David is never late to the party'' or something after the Clarkson goal I thought to myself ''No one was late to the party. Just maybe late leaving the party''. I was saying before he even said that ''Which team partied the hardest out of these two?''. Marty had a beer or two. Everybody else took shots all night.
And about Lemaire/Deboer holding 3rd period leads this is what I'm talking about. It's 3rd period leads, and ties as well. We blew the 3rd period tie against the Rangers, a lot of other times we barely hung in there for OT, and there was the game recently against Washington where that was 3-0, and went to a shootout cause they tied it. Of course the 3-0 lead in Florida that ended 4-3 for Florida in regulation.
See I thought that was a fluke, but it wasn't. That game wasn't a fluke, because it's happening still. This is like the 5th time it's happened. It only gave us a loss this time, and in Florida that time. Washington was the worst. We gave up 4 goals to the Panthers in the 2nd, and 3rd periods. We gave up 3 goals to the Caps in like one period! The 3rd period.
Also the PK is worrying me. Devils have given up PP goals 3 games in a row now. Not 5 on 3 PP's either. Only one man advantage. If the PK goes then we need to score a PP goal every game which I just can't see happening. A good PP for the Devils is one they get out of without giving up a shorthanded goal.
Also in my opinion regarding Lemaire I don't think he has anything to do with this team anymore or at least not right now.
I have no hunch, but hearing nothing about him I don't think he's having anything to do with our team right now. I don't really know much about a special assignment coach. He is the only one I've ever heard of with that role. This season, and last season before he returned, and in 98 after he left the first time. Isn't Stevens considered a special assignment coach?
I haven't heard a thing about him, or his name discussed at all. Last I heard was he showed up on the first day of training camp, and he attended the first game in TB, and the Devils practice earlier in the day. I don't even think he was in TB the second time at the game. From what I understand he's good friends with Guy Boucher, and attends a lot of Lightning games, and lives in the area.
I don't know about this role as special assignment coach either. I don't know if he's supposed to get on the phone with Lou, or Pete weekly or just whenever they need him or what.
I just know Lemaire wouldn't stand for half this crap. This shorthanded goal problem would have been fixed long ago. That, and the blown leads. Jacques Lemaire was very good at fixing things that weren't working. Pete Deboer doesn't wanna address things that aren't working, and if they work one game obviously they're good for another even if it means blowing the whole game like the shorthanded goals which have directly caused 4 regulation losses this season.
I'm looking at the standings, and have to rant about the SHG problem again. It's okay to give one up once in a while, and we've won a few games where we gave one up, but this unacceptable.
The Devils have lost 4 games due to shorthanded goals. Not even gonna count this one cause Ottawa could have tied it anyway. Had everything that went on in those 4 games that went on anyway minus those SHG's the Devils would have at the very least went to OT, and had 4 less regulation losses. The empty netters don't count. Had we not given up the shorties we would have been tied in those games, and wouldn't have had the net empty.
If the Devils went to OT in those games they would at least have 48 points right now. They may have even won most of those games in OT or shootout. They may have also lost a few like they did tonight, but 48 points is at least what they would have. That's good for tied with Philly right now for 2nd in the division, and being tied for 3rd most points in the Conference. What a burden this is having on the team.
How many is too much? They're gonna wind up giving up too many, and by too many I mean just enough to lose 4 more games this season, because of them that they would have otherwise won or got an OTL, and thus maybe enough to miss the playoffs.
I don't like Deboer as coach at all. His teams have strengths but he has no clue how to fix weaknesses.
Another blown lead and another SHG against.. and against an opponent we're in a fight against. It was a game we should've won and once again failed.
I just can't figure this team out.
Unfortunately, that's the point. They are playing pretty well, but we are above-average at best. I love that they are competitive in nearly every game, but they cannot win them all. I'm fine with a point because we didn't play that well in the first or the third and the PP was beyond awful last night. It stings now just because of the 2-0 lead, but we've seen this unfold before. If we can come out and beat Boston tomorrow, then this will be forgotten and 3 out of 4 points will be acceptable.
The thing with the Rangers loss was that everyone seemed to be going out and executing minus the lack of goals. They also didn't really blow coverage for any goals against, it was just bad execution in our own zone.
So Petey is still bad at PP, D zone coverage, and now I can safely put holding onto leads. This same group could hold wins to some capacity last year with Lemaire. If anything, Lemaire should coach Pete on how to handle the 3rd period with a lead.
They'd be holding more third period leads, but they wouldn't be coming back as much under Lemaire either. The PDB 'system' is like a double-edged sword - more ridiculous highs and more humiliating lows.
That Murphy's law quote pisses me off. Take some ownership of the team's problems you goober. That whole "mistakes will correct themselves" attitude is going to have us on the outside looking in in no time.
So sick of coughing away points in the 3rd... you want to see a damning stat... only one time, through basically half a season, have we taken a lead into the third and built on it! ONE TIME! Niedermayer night. That's it.
There was more than Murphy's law to that one. Whatever Patty was doing, blown assignment chasing an invisible puck (Zubrus), Tao losing his jock in anticipating of losing his jock, and Marty did not give up a good goal there, not to mention, I have no context, but this seems like a poor situational coaching job, you're winning, concede the 10 seconds and get the right guys out.
Yeah, that's the definition of Murphy's Law, I guess .... but still, this is all pretty damn correctable and keeps cropping up. PD just looks like a really poor x's and o's coach. Not that this is all there is to the job before someone jumps down my throat.
I think DeBo knows what the problems are. Maybe he just doesn't want to deal with the media prodding. Would you rather him come out to the media and say "We've gone over it many times, but the players fail to grasp it".?
Cut the guy some slack. He's coaching in the best league in the world for a reason, and it's most likely because he's better at it than some message board.
I didn't like hearing that they think they played a good game. They were pinned for huge swaths of time. They looked slow. It's one game, but hopefully they come out more pumped Wednesday. ILWT breaks down the CORSIs and they were awful aside from Zajac and Boo.
I think DeBo knows what the problems are. Maybe he just doesn't want to deal with the media prodding. Would you rather him come out to the media and say "We've gone over it many times, but the players fail to grasp it".?
Cut the guy some slack. He's coaching in the best league in the world for a reason, and it's most likely because he's better at it than some message board.
There's no way in the world he's that ignorant.
If you've gone over it that many times and the players don't grasp it, it means they can't and it's time to change it.
I'm not overly impressed with hockey coaches, except for the occassional genius and/or bench general.
put this into perspective, this team has a better chance to win the cup than me getting laid in the next few months.
Next few months... god damn.
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Marty played great. He gave up a piss poor goal to tie the game though. But the only reason the Devils even got a point is because of him.
How did we manage to get a point because of Marty? The guy made saves, that's what a goaltender is paid to do, no? He let in a stinker from the halfboards that tied the game and the ot goal went in short side, wich is another no-no.
It's not like Marty stood on his head the entire game and we had 3 chances offensively and managed to score on 2 of them, but whatever.
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I don't like Deboer as coach at all. His teams have strengths but he has no clue how to fix weaknesses.
Another blown lead and another SHG against.. and against an opponent we're in a fight against. It was a game we should've won and once again failed.
I just can't figure this team out.
That SHG was all on Marty. We can blame the coach all we want but Marty needs to stop that shot. I do agree that something needs to change and since we aren't utilising Foster's shot, get him out of there and add Fayne instead. If something goes wrong, we know he can do the job defensively.
I'll say it again, this team will continue to take us on a roller coaster ride as long as we are dressing that horrible defense. Tallinder was responsible for that OT goal scored by Alfredson cause he couldn't even clear the zone when we were on the PK. How hard is it for a NHL caliber player to whip the puck around the glass or threw the middle if both pointmen are covering the boards !!! I honestly think that Tallinder is auditionning to become the sponsor of Cottonelle.
I can't wait to see certain contracts come to term... the only worry I have is that Lou will probably fill the void with other scrubs that he'll probably overpay via free agency.
That SHG was all on Marty. We can blame the coach all we want but Marty needs to stop that shot. I do agree that something needs to change and since we aren't utilising Foster's shot, get him out of there and add Fayne instead. If something goes wrong, we know he can do the job defensively.
The fact SHG's are being scored and blaming the goalie for them is like blaming the bank teller for a robber getting away with the money. There are many mistakes that must happen before any SHG gets scored - and most often it is the forwards who are paid to score and NOT turnover the puck on the man advantage. Two breakaway saves, two on one saves and great vision in traffic saved the point long before the soft outside shot (that he did get with his chest before it deflected through the 7 hole between his chest and arm). I'm not hanging the game on that goal at all. All goals are scored thanks to a mistake somewhere which means unless you expect a shutout every game you're expectations are unrealistic.
Who passed the puck up to Elias who couldn't handle it? Who cheated to the outside on the turnover? Who knocked the puck down with his foot right before the shot? All those factors involved small mistakes that compounded to result in the shot that found its way in. Blame is not as absolute as you want it to be.
The fact SHG's are being scored and blaming the goalie for them is like blaming the bank teller for a robber getting away with the money. There are many mistakes that must happen before any SHG gets scored - and most often it is the forwards who are paid to score and NOT turnover the puck on the man advantage. Two breakaway saves, two on one saves and great vision in traffic saved the point long before the soft outside shot (that he did get with his chest before it deflected through the 7 hole between his chest and arm). I'm not hanging the game on that goal at all. All goals are scored thanks to a mistake somewhere which means unless you expect a shutout every game you're expectations are unrealistic.
Who passed the puck up to Elias who couldn't handle it? Who cheated to the outside on the turnover? Who knocked the puck down with his foot right before the shot? All those factors involved small mistakes that compounded to result in the shot that found its way in. Blame is not as absolute as you want it to be.
And I agree... but a soft wrister from the halfboards from Condra isn't supposed to go in our own net. I don't care if he's on the PP, the PK or 5 on 5. The players all know that blown leads is something that's happening way too frequently and when a stinker goes in, like the game tying goal, it deflates everyone. The level of confidence is pretty low and when those mistakes happen, it kills our momentum and we usually crumble under pressure afterwards.
Like you said, when one guy ****s up, it just screws everything up for everyone else. You'll have guys getting out of position to cover for the mistake made 13 seconds earlier. For example, Tallinder doesn't clear the puck in OT wich led to Elias standing still at the point, Salvador giving us his best beach whale impression, etc, etc.
Zharkov plays great D and has been unreasonably snakebitten as an NHL player. He's at least good enough to put up 10-10-20 in the NHL as a 3rd/4th line tweener, I think. Give the kid a chance and he'll shine.
I agree with this! as long as the first 10 represents ‘posts hit’, the second 10 represents shots ‘directly into goalie’s chest’ and the 20 represents face-palms per week.
Zharkov plays great D and has been unreasonably snakebitten as an NHL player. He's at least good enough to put up 10-10-20 in the NHL as a 3rd/4th line tweener, I think. Give the kid a chance and he'll shine.
He'll never get the time to put up those numbers until he proves he can be a scorer. And he can't really prove he can be a scorer without the ice time.
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The blown lead is the more important thing here. It's a troubling trend that they cannot close out games.
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Was the first goal a blown D coverage goal? That would have completed the bubble team Devils duet of goals against.
Yes it was. Fayne was caught out of position, and Tallinder couldn't slide over in time to cover Spezza because he is so fast.
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I think DeBo knows what the problems are. Maybe he just doesn't want to deal with the media prodding. Would you rather him come out to the media and say "We've gone over it many times, but the players fail to grasp it".?
Cut the guy some slack. He's coaching in the best league in the world for a reason, and it's most likely because he's better at it than some message board.
There's no way in the world he's that ignorant.
No, but we're still not seeing any improvement in the PP or not giving up shorties department. He can say whatever the hell he likes to the press, but at some point actions speak louder than words. We need to see the improvement.
He'll never get the time to put up those numbers until he proves he can be a scorer. And he can't really prove he can be a scorer without the ice time.
The blown lead is the more important thing here. It's a troubling trend that they cannot close out games.
Yes it was. Fayne was caught out of position, and Tallinder couldn't slide over in time to cover Spezza because he is so fast.
No, but we're still not seeing any improvement in the PP or not giving up shorties department. He can say whatever the hell he likes to the press, but at some point actions speak louder than words. We need to see the improvement.
Ya I'm not watching any highlights from this lol
How is it that we continue to run around in our own zone? It really seems like they have no clue where to go and once a breakdown occurs, someone is wide open for a layup. Usually its a backdoor play so the goalie has no chance. The PP is awful as well. Those are my big 2 issues with Pete. Neither have shown the slightest of improvements yet.
Being a bubble team sucks. Thats why I chuckle when people say we'll roll up the standings and when Pete says that we're a second half team and we'll start to get the wheels turning soon.
