Im glad London part with Donnay in this particular deal.
This was the deal I was referring to yesterday Libbs, a couple 2nds and another pick.
Picks help stock cupboards for Spits run in 14 and allows more PT for some young D.
i still would have taken donnay a second in 2016 and a thrid in 2012 for robertson
i like that deal better
but im not to sure on how many cards the spits have left ?
As was already said We had Robertson for half a season + playoffs last season plus half a season this year along with a 2nd rnd. pick for Trojanovic then able to deal him for a 3rd rnd. pick this draft as well as a 2nd rnd. pick in 2016 and a 2nd rnd. pick in 2017. Obviously those picks to be used down the line in upcoming deals, likely in 2014 to add at the deadline or sooner if Rychel has a chance to aquire another 16 year old in one of the upcoming drafts.
Robertson will do fine in Sarnia with a bit older blueline they will be able to play to his strengths a bit more instead of requiring him to do it all.
As for the rest of the players being inquired about:
I would like to see Khokhlachev finish off the season here and dealt before the Import Draft. If a deal comes along that tops the Kuhnhackl deal then no problem seeing him move sooner but he would definitely be someone we could use here this season to help keep the offensive kids developing.
Czinder I've said many times would be a solid OA next season. If we get a solid offer for him then no problem dealing him as well. My only concern is looking to replace him with another OA next season and paying more than what we get for him. To me that would be wasting assets. I also don't want to see another Tarini/Clouthier type brought in to replace him next season either, again, wasting assets.
Posa is a tough one. He can contribute but I think if you have a chance to make a move that betters the team down the road you make the deal. Yes it leaves the blueline very young and all the pressure falls to the kids but with Ebert, Devlin, Webermin in their second seasons as well as Braid on the backend there is some experience. If they can pick up a solid 93 to add to the group then they will get through the season without things getting much worse than what they have been to date. I like the idea of a Lepkowski or someone similar who has OA potential.
Cullen/MacQueen? What else needs to be said. Time to move on whether it be a deal or off to school full time it is time to let the kids run with it. If the team insists on having another OA brought in then there will likely be someone who can better fit the bill available for nothing come the 9th.
I just realized that Robertson, Devlin, Maletta are the only players to play over 30 games and are not below EVEN in plus/minus ouch.
I like the trade but loosing the third leading scorer on your team is only going be tougher moving forward. I see a huge dropoff ahead and sadly Rayzor I think we're not making the playoffs without some decent bodies comming back in trades
I feel this team somehow got word of this Robertson trade beforehand and started "giving up" I just don't think this is a normal slump.
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With the Robertson trade, is there any update on Webermin potentially having a concussion. We could find ourselves short handed defensively all of a sudden.
Also anybody know anything about Deeley? Do the Spits have any plans for him? Is he still even property of the Spits? He burned his NCAA eligibility right - which seems very unfortunate now.
LOL, yeah that might have been a good question. At the -17 tournament I got to see Max Domi play and I really like the kid. Would be great to see him play for the Spits. Tie was sitting alone in the stands watching him. It's too bad they lost.
I really like Domi too. But you knwo wwhat i lke Horvat a lot and Ecblad coudl sure shore up our defense for our run in 14. I think I would like them all to play for the Spits.
Was Domi a London or nothing kid? Or was it we didn't have the 2012 picks to trade at the time? Because three second rounders for Max seems like a steal. We would have had the picks if we traded Kassian and Ellis at the deadline.
Was Domi a London or nothing kid? Or was it we didn't have the 2012 picks to trade at the time? Because three second rounders for Max seems like a steal. We would have had the picks if we traded Kassian and Ellis at the deadline.
I think he was a "Big 3" only player. Classic case of rigging the draft.
Was Domi a London or nothing kid? Or was it we didn't have the 2012 picks to trade at the time? Because three second rounders for Max seems like a steal. We would have had the picks if we traded Kassian and Ellis at the deadline.
Unfortunately last years run will hamper the 2014 team as we would have been a year of ahead of schedule with our rebuild but as it stands now we are playing catch up. Hopefully all these 1st rounders pan out.
I love Domi's play, but the Big Three or Bust mentality hurts. I've been a big fan of Garlent so far, though. Not a big kid (5'8 140 is pushing it...interviewed him twice now and he's tiny!), but he has that offensive instinct.
Unfortunately last years run will hamper the 2014 team as we would have been a year of ahead of schedule with our rebuild but as it stands now we are playing catch up. Hopefully all these 1st rounders pan out.
Maybe hamper us draft pick wise but you can't discount the experience Rychel, Ebert and Vail got last year.
Maybe hamper us draft pick wise but you can't discount the experience Rychel, Ebert and Vail got last year.
Domi and/or Horvat could have been a Spitfire this season.
London selling last year is partly due to where they stand now. Committing to a rebuild before the beginning of last year then switching to going for it at the trade deadline was not one of Rychel's better decision. Let's hope Rychel's track record prevails.
I understand the trade but I don't like it. 3rd rounder for this draft may help a couple years down the line otherwise there isn't a lot of value in this deal for Windsor. So Rychel will deal those future 2nd rounders for guys like DOrazio, Robertson etc..? All this in order to try and host a Memorial Cup in 2014 and do this all over again? Trading Campbell, Kuhnhackl and Robertson has only netted this team Pavelka, Braid and draft picks and these picks are just to catch up in selling the farm the prior couple years? This group in 2013/2014 better be the best team in CHL history alls I'm saying.
Maybe hamper us draft pick wise but you can't discount the experience Rychel, Ebert and Vail got last year.
Individually I would agree the experience seems to have helped. Ebert is having a poor year but that he still got experience. Collectively it really hasn't helped as the team is barely keeping their head above water. In the midst of a 5 game losing streak and another 8 game winless streak earlier in the year. These streaks are tough to handle.
I understand the trade but I don't like it. 3rd rounder for this draft may help a couple years down the line otherwise there isn't a lot of value in this deal for Windsor. So Rychel will deal those future 2nd rounders for guys like DOrazio, Robertson etc..? All this in order to try and host a Memorial Cup in 2014 and do this all over again? Trading Campbell, Kuhnhackl and Robertson has only netted this team Pavelka, Braid and draft picks and these picks are just to catch up in selling the farm the prior couple years? This group in 2013/2014 better be the best team in CHL history alls I'm saying.
I believe the picks we sent along with Cortellessa to get Marchese were from either the Campbell or Kuhnhackl deals. Same with the Devlin second rounder (but that might have been the Duininck pick).
Not taking whatever was offered for Kassian was a mistake. One round of playoff experience would have been enough for the rookies last year.
I believe the picks we sent along with Cortellessa to get Marchese were from either the Campbell or Kuhnhackl deals. Same with the Devlin second rounder (but that might have been the Duininck pick).
Not taking whatever was offered for Kassian was a mistake. One round of playoff experience would have been enough for the rookies last year.
Right, ironically the only playoff series Kassian seemed to show up in was against Saginaw. They would have still made the playoffs if they dealt Kassian. On the surface you can say they were 3 wins away from a Memorial Cup appearance but at the deadline if they had pushed the envelope and tried to deal Webermin for one more piece it could have worked. Of course they also wasted a card on Sullivan which hurt them as well.
Rychel had no choice at the deadline last year. When the kids left for the World Junior they were less than 10 points out of first over all (I think about 6), and about 5th or 6th over all. You can't sell then! A deep run in the playoffs is a deep run at the box office. You owe it to the players that got you there.
The got rid of Shugg and Cantin before the season and it appeared they were rebuilding. Things change. Koko and Kuhnhackl did far better then expected and the team exceeded expectations. So they stood pat and made a run. It was pretty decent run to.
this going "all in" and "selling" is crap. There was a team in Quebec that bought a susperstar at deadline the second year the spits won the cup. Within his first couple games he was suspened for the season. So they wasted a bunch of assets for a guy who played a few games. You never know what is going to happen so you prepare and tinker. Kitchener could have Skinner and Landeskog playing for them right now! But they both made the jump as 18 year olds
I understand the trade but I don't like it. 3rd rounder for this draft may help a couple years down the line otherwise there isn't a lot of value in this deal for Windsor. So Rychel will deal those future 2nd rounders for guys like DOrazio, Robertson etc..? All this in order to try and host a Memorial Cup in 2014 and do this all over again? Trading Campbell, Kuhnhackl and Robertson has only netted this team Pavelka, Braid and draft picks and these picks are just to catch up in selling the farm the prior couple years? This group in 2013/2014 better be the best team in CHL history alls I'm saying.
I have no trouble selling the farm if it means winning cup,doing twice is a bonus
throw in a final 4 appearance and I will do it evert time
I will take Rychels track against anybody in the last 5 years on the job plus this
one
Building a winner is not easy and with the NHL grabbing players younger i.e.
Bailey,the 1st cup year,Loktinov the 2nd cup year and Hall and Fowler the
final 4 yr group, winning after this happens is amazing and it came at a cost
You ask every Spit fan or hockey people if they have any regrets I doubt if there
is many
The Hunters have only won once and when they did they did not lose anybody
to the nhl,thus did not have to spend assets to recoup losses
Kitchener last year loses Morin and Skinner and gets knocked out in the 1st rd
Windsor loses Hall and Fowler and gets to the final 4
. Id a given up 2 2nds and been ok, but Donnay if traded should be part of a bigger deal.
