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01-04-2012, 07:50 PM
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What would put me more at ease would be which American kids report. If Barber and Allen end up reporting, that would really bolster the offense.

As for the D? Well here's hoping something clicks.
Sitting beside evan Allen's family at te game right now and his mom mentioned how much he likes Windsor and the arena. He had a dinner with Rychel at a restaurant I work at, as did someone I dont know who it was. Our restaurant is often a place in which the spits come too. Team had grubauer, Johnston, cantin there when they arrived.

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Sitting beside evan Allen's family at te game right now and his mom mentioned how much he likes Windsor and the arena. He had a dinner with Rychel at a restaurant I work at, as did someone I dont know who it was. Our restaurant is often a place in which the spits come too. Team had grubauer, Johnston, cantin there when they arrived.
At least Allen and Butcher have been quoted as saying they may consider Windsor. They wanted to play USNTDP then decide after that. They aren't playing the NCAA card per say.

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I believe they have said that from the draft until now. Hopefully it continues and ends favourably with a decision near the end of next season.

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I just hope after this 2014 mem cup bid we can get away from this boom or bust mentality and have some more stable teams overall then what goes on in the league these days.Fans get attached to certain players and then theyre gone after like 1 yr with the team.I enjoyed watching Tommy K and Campbell and they were gone ina blink of an eye.I know trades will happen but this gutting the team crap I can't really stomach and business wise will hurt ticket sales down the road as the economy gets rougher IMO.

I dont think fans give a ratts @@ss about some young kid that Might get good, they want to see stars in the making like a Koko,Tommy K and Campbell,thats what turns the turnstiles.

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Ever since you mentioned this twitter 1Rangerfan i have been following him and he does seem to know what hes talking about.he nailed this trade yesterday.i suggest more people check him out.
I know who he is and he's a legit guy for info.

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Campbell, Kuhnhackl, Duininck, Robertson out and Devlin, Marchese, Braid, Pavelka in they are a better team this year.
No, they're not better, but they're far younger, so you can't truly compare. How do you compare a 94 Marchese to a 92 Kuhnhackl? Or what about a 94 Devlin to a 91 Robertson? (though, in this case, I'd take Devlin 9 times out of 10) Compare at the same age and, please, don't include Braid. He's becoming a throw in at this point.

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Rychel can't afford to deal Khokhlachev now or even in June. Have you seen how much this team struggles without him? For a moment just think and imagine what this team would look like if Khokhlachev didn't play another game this season, they may not win 5 games. He's a huge reason why this team is even in the discussion for the playoffs and going into a huge year next year you want him dealt by June?
100% depends on return in June. If you can get a few 2nds that are soon, plus a top-notch 94 or 95, you take it.

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I dont think fans give a ratts @@ss about some young kid that Might get good, they want to see stars in the making like a Koko,Tommy K and Campbell,thats what turns the turnstiles.
You can't have every kid be hyped up, though. I'm just as interested in the kids that you know have potential and are working towards it (ie Vail, Rychel, Marchese, DeKort, Bilcke) as I am towards kids who should be doing well right off the bat (ie. Campbell, Kuhnhackl, et). Yes, the superstars turn some turnstiles, but so do winning teams. That's not just superstars. It's a whole slew of characters.

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01-04-2012, 10:41 PM
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If anything id say we have a good chance of getting Allen over Butcher as he LOVES the fans. He was surprised alot of people came out for the Games they played in. if im WR i spend the money to get him over here in the Summer he is worth it. We are pretty much set on Defence with Devlin, Ebert, Webermin, Bateman who should be are top 4 buy 2014 if not you have guys who you draft the next 2 drafts to fill those bottom 2 or make a trade.

Heard that Cullen and Robbie to London for Donnay, 3rd and 4th wa talked about last night and this morning Hunter called WR and said he didnt wanna do the trade

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01-05-2012, 05:57 AM
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Here is one out of left field

Would not surprize me if the Spits traded Pavelka to Erie for Sadikov

While I loathe to have an O/a Euro goalie because of a double spot situation,in this

case I think it works

With Robertson gone,and the expected departure of Cullen,Windsor has 2 O/A spots

open,plus Bassin is in a pickle,ho other team now that saginaw picked up Clint Windsor

can do what can do

Windsor tosses in a 8th rd pick and presto u have a deal

I dont think Bassin has a choice,he dumps an O.a,ges younger and player who

should not have there to begin with gets a chance

From a Windsor prespective,having a bird"s eye view of the -17 ttourney theu got

a look at a player that they will draft in the Euro draft for 2012,a player who will be

impact full somebody suchas Tolchnski,or Nichushkin,or D-man Robert Hagg

who is represented by Pat Morris

That player plus Koko,leaves no room for Pavelka going forward as far as Euros go

For Sadikov coming to Windsor could benefit career afterall he had a try out with

Detriot,now he would be in their backyard,his Russian connection with Koko,would

be beneficial for both

He is more experienced and I think consistent then Pavelka and would be a perfect

pick-up

Thoughts anyone

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01-05-2012, 07:56 AM
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I want Erie's import pick this year. I know we traded Wilson for the high pick before to get Loktionov - Would Michael Clarke for the Erie #3 or #6 import pick be a good deal?

I want no part of Pavelka here next year, but I hate treating kids like meat and Pavelka was already traded once. I'd like to see an OHL rule where a player can't be traded twice in one season. I'd rather let Pavelka play out the season here and cut him than trade him again.

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Risky move....but the ONLY way I would even consider it is if Erie's 1st round import is included in the deal.

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i think that would be a great trade both ways

but

what would our goalies look like next year ?

pl;us swaping 1st round import picks

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Here is one out of left field

Would not surprize me if the Spits traded Pavelka to Erie for Sadikov

While I loathe to have an O/a Euro goalie because of a double spot situation,in this

case I think it works.....Thoughts anyone
I think we would be better off trading Koko then trading Pavelka for Sadikov. Since there is a great chance that Koko will not be in the "O" for the memorial cup run and Pavelka will go undrafted and for sure be available for the run unless he makes it through a tryout which is unlikely.

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I don't think WR will move on trading up for an import pick until he sees which players are interested in coming over - specifically the 17 yr olds. In this way hosting the U-17 was a coup for the Spits in that a lot of the talent WR will be interested in will be familiar with the area, if just a little bit, and it could be easier to entice them to come over to us.

Even if Erie doesn't plan on using their import pick, they know how valuable it will be as a trade chip. They're not going to throw it in for moving Sadikov. London will lose Namestikov, and would love another high import to pair with Matta. They could auction it off to the highest bidder and get a good player in return.

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I for one can see the benefit of dealing Pavelka for Sadikov.

Like legend said, we will have the OA space, he has been through the trials of playing in Erie (good and bad times), he is an upgrade over Cullen and likely will come fairly cheap.

Pavelka plus a late rounder = a kid most are willing to cut for nothing plus what you likely get for Cullen for an experienced, talented and motivated goaltender on a rebuilding team that needs to gain some confidence.

As for Erie's import pick. Would love to find a way to get that too but it would take a lot more than hust pavelka, Clarke and a late round pick.

OS's import pick cost us Garrett Wilson plus a couple of picks.

Pavelka, Clarke, Deeley, a couple of seconds for Sadikov plus Erie's first round import pick?

The problem there though is that you start cutting ito the base of your 94s doing something like that. You have to pay but are you just re opening more spots when you do something like that? Someone on the fringe like Deeley/Feasey I can see at this point but from the roster???

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The issue you have with dealing for Erie's import pick is you will already have an import pick that should be high. Unless you want to throw in your own import pick which probably still has a fair bit of value there's really no way you win in that deal. Furthermore if you didn't trade your own import pick you would have to at some time because you still have Khokhlachev. If that is the case then you would have to settle for less than fair market value for that import pick because you can't possibly trade Khokhlachev because you won't get fair value for him either.

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For the 2nd overal pick this past summer's Import draft, London traded Reid McNeil, 2nd '13, 3rd '13 and 1st Import '11.

McNeil is a 1992 defensman with 11pts in 2 years with London.

I don't see how Erie's pick will cost much more than that.

Feasey, 2nd '14, 4th '14, 1st Import '12

Or to tie it in With Sadikov, throw in Pavelka without the picks.

Feasey, Pavelka, 1st Import '12 for Sadikov, Cooke, 1st Import '12.

Pick up the extra OA. Obviously the main piece would be the 3rd overall pick in the Import while Sadikov and Cook would fill out our OA's for this year.

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But where does that leave us for goalies for next year? Can't expect DeKort to take the reins to start the season.

The rumor was that Teichman was on the block as well. Sure his numbers have sucked the last 2 years but he was a 1st round pick and won Gold as the starting goalie for the U17. The kid obviously has some talent. Watching from afar you have to feel for the kid as he wasn't put in a position to succeed. When we took Grubauer that left Teichman to hold the fort for a very young Belleville team. Then last year he didn't have a very good start to the season and Subban took over and Teichman never got a chance to regain his confidence. Then he's traded to god awful Erie where his confidence was ever further shot.

I wonder, if given the right circumstance, he can regain his confidence and perform to the level expected of him when he was drafted.

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No, they're not better, but they're far younger, so you can't truly compare. How do you compare a 94 Marchese to a 92 Kuhnhackl? Or what about a 94 Devlin to a 91 Robertson? (though, in this case, I'd take Devlin 9 times out of 10) Compare at the same age and, please, don't include Braid. He's becoming a throw in at this point.



100% depends on return in June. If you can get a few 2nds that are soon, plus a top-notch 94 or 95, you take it.



You can't have every kid be hyped up, though. I'm just as interested in the kids that you know have potential and are working towards it (ie Vail, Rychel, Marchese, DeKort, Bilcke) as I am towards kids who should be doing well right off the bat (ie. Campbell, Kuhnhackl, et). Yes, the superstars turn some turnstiles, but so do winning teams. That's not just superstars. It's a whole slew of characters.
It's not easy to compare but let's keep in mind. With Marchese for instance he's a project by every definition, didn't deliver in Erie after being a 1st round pick, by all accounts he checked out of Erie and didn't have the greatest attitude. Spits think they can change him. It's a calculated gamble but a gamble nonetheless. For comparison the Otters 1st round pick this year is producing quite well better than Marchese did at any time with the Otters. Are the Otters getting smarter at drafting? Probably not. Did they find a kid that actually wants to work? Probably.

In a few years you will take a Devlin over a Robertson but I am stunned you would take Devlin now over Robertson. Robertson was put in a no win situation, they dealt the only other veteran D they had in Duninck, they still have Posa as a holdover but I am not so sure he will stay. Robertson has been forced to play a lot of minutes, close to 30 minutes a night and that's not his game. We will see now with Robertson and 30 minutes a night out of the lineup and what that does for other guys. Devlin might be forced to pick up the slack.

Khokhlachev for picks would obviously happen but the idea of a 94 or 95 coming over is living in a dream world. He would be the same boat as Kuhnhackl and look what the Spits got for him.

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For the 2nd overal pick this past summer's Import draft, London traded Reid McNeil, 2nd '13, 3rd '13 and 1st Import '11.

McNeil is a 1992 defensman with 11pts in 2 years with London.

I don't see how Erie's pick will cost much more than that.

Feasey, 2nd '14, 4th '14, 1st Import '12

Or to tie it in With Sadikov, throw in Pavelka without the picks.

Feasey, Pavelka, 1st Import '12 for Sadikov, Cooke, 1st Import '12.

Pick up the extra OA. Obviously the main piece would be the 3rd overall pick in the Import while Sadikov and Cook would fill out our OA's for this year.
McNeill was an NHL draft pick when he was with the Knights. He doesn't really get points he's a stay at home guy. Feasey shouldn't satisfy the Otters. If we are talking trading a realistic prospect it should be Webermin, he may have more talent than McNeill but I am not sure if he will be an NHL draft pick and if he is it probably wouldn't be until the 6th round.

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You closet GM's crack me up. We should trade player A and our 2nd in 13 and 4th in 15 for their player B and their 3rd in14 and import in 12 and they keep the gold package.
I am laughing my ass off.
How do you trade Koko? You don't trade a guy who will score 100 points next year. You don't get rid of him because you are going to draft the next Koko, becasue you don't know. If this team wants to make a run, they probably want to have some success and a guy like Koko goes a long way to that success.

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The issue you have with dealing for Erie's import pick is you will already have an import pick that should be high. Unless you want to throw in your own import pick which probably still has a fair bit of value there's really no way you win in that deal. Furthermore if you didn't trade your own import pick you would have to at some time because you still have Khokhlachev. If that is the case then you would have to settle for less than fair market value for that import pick because you can't possibly trade Khokhlachev because you won't get fair value for him either.
thats why i think you should move koko at the deadline

get a high end 94 with 2 or 3 2nd rd a 3rd and 5 to 6 round pick and then we move

half of that to erie with players said and have 2 high import picks

and see what we could bring over next year year with the american kids

and our team is looking good

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thats why i think you should move koko at the deadline

get a high end 94 with 2 or 3 2nd rd a 3rd and 5 to 6 round pick and then we move

half of that to erie with players said and have 2 high import picks

and see what we could bring over next year year with the american kids

and our team is looking good
You trade him now you don't make the playoffs this year. There isn't a high end 94 that is available out there that could help the Spits. The 67s aren't trading Monahan, Bulls aren't trading Gaunce, Sting aren't trading Galchenyuk, Guelph isn't trading Finn, Attack aren't dealing Maidens. The Spits have 4 94 1st rounders on the roster right now and with the exception of Rychel none of the others are playing at a high level. In fact I wouldn't hesitate to deal Marchese, Ebert and Webermin for Monahan but Ottawa would never do that. This is the issue the Spits have right now they have quantity but the quality isn't showing. You just can't trade your top player for more young guys to see if they pan out.

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You trade him now you don't make the playoffs this year. There isn't a high end 94 that is available out there that could help the Spits. The 67s aren't trading Monahan, Bulls aren't trading Gaunce, Sting aren't trading Galchenyuk, Guelph isn't trading Finn, Attack aren't dealing Maidens. The Spits have 4 94 1st rounders on the roster right now and with the exception of Rychel none of the others are playing at a high level. In fact I wouldn't hesitate to deal Marchese, Ebert and Webermin for Monahan but Ottawa would never do that. This is the issue the Spits have right now they have quantity but the quality isn't showing. You just can't trade your top player for more young guys to see if they pan out.
Sudbury is warming up the phone lines now and they gotta make noise soon.

They have slew of good young skill there.....and if I had Koko I would be all ears.

Cash helps take pain off 2 missed playoff dates.

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If it's Sudbury calling....I'm starting with Baptiste and going up from there.

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If it's Sudbury calling....I'm starting with Baptiste and going up from there.
Yup, me too...and they are going to spend.

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Baptiste looks like hes going to be a real good one.

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