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01-04-2012, 03:44 AM
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With the exception of bobby ryan all of burkes drafts were horrendous for the ducks. Say what you want about murray, but he does seem to be the better drafter of the 2 gms.
That has more to do with Martin Madden coming on board than Burke, I believe quality of drafting comes down to the quality of scouting staff, not so much the GMs.

And Burkes 2008 draft was good. Gardiner is a safe bet to be at least a second pairing defenseman, Schultz is looking like at the very worst he'll be a PP specialist and McMillan should carve out a career as a bottom 6 forward. Deschamps still has a shot at an NHL career also.

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01-04-2012, 03:52 AM
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GM's are held accountable for bad drafting however.

Murray has done great at drafting and assembling a player development staff

unfortunately he has no idea how he wants to build an NHL team

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01-04-2012, 10:56 AM
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Also I'm not a fan of this trade. I think Deschamps will become a good 3rd liner in the future, whereas I don't think Caputi will ever be more than a half decent AHLer.

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01-04-2012, 11:21 AM
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01-04-2012, 11:27 AM
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Caputi was a dissapointment here guys, seemed like a good guy but never worked out for various reasons, one was injuries.

He's not a great skater, but he hangs around the dirty areas when he is on his game. Decent enough hands, I think he has the potential to be a 3rd line guy with max ability to score 20 goals, but more likely is a 10-15 goal at the NHL level.

What the Ducks got was a guy that is more NHL ready than Deschamps.

As a Leafs fan I am surprised The Ducks would give up on Deschamps so early, he was rated #25 in the TSN draft piloted by Bob Mckenzie just a few years ago, so he was highly regarded at one point. Peculiar Ducks have given up on their 2 top picks from 08.

For Ducks fans sake, I hope you guys don't trade Shultz, he looks like he is going to be NHL ready very soon.

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01-04-2012, 11:49 AM
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Deschamps scored against Syracuse tonight by the way. Kind of awkward, but that had to feel pretty good for him.

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Caputi was a dissapointment here guys, seemed like a good guy but never worked out for various reasons, one was injuries.

He's not a great skater, but he hangs around the dirty areas when he is on his game. Decent enough hands, I think he has the potential to be a 3rd line guy with max ability to score 20 goals, but more likely is a 10-15 goal at the NHL level.

What the Ducks got was a guy that is more NHL ready than Deschamps.

As a Leafs fan I am surprised The Ducks would give up on Deschamps so early, he was rated #25 in the TSN draft piloted by Bob Mckenzie just a few years ago, so he was highly regarded at one point. Peculiar Ducks have given up on their 2 top picks from 08.

For Ducks fans sake, I hope you guys don't trade Shultz, he looks like he is going to be NHL ready very soon.
I think in order to get Schultz all Burke has to do is ask.

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That has more to do with Martin Madden coming on board than Burke, I believe quality of drafting comes down to the quality of scouting staff, not so much the GMs.

And Burkes 2008 draft was good. Gardiner is a safe bet to be at least a second pairing defenseman, Schultz is looking like at the very worst he'll be a PP specialist and McMillan should carve out a career as a bottom 6 forward. Deschamps still has a shot at an NHL career also.
2008 he did good if schultz pans out, other than that he drafted really bad for us. I like murrays drafting a lot more.

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01-04-2012, 01:45 PM
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I think in order to get Schultz all Burke has to do is ask.
I am sorry for that, hope Luca and Beauch work out for you guys. Want trades to work out for both our teams.

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01-04-2012, 04:04 PM
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Caputi has an expiring contract. thats his value. deschamps has another year. this is a move with the offseason/trade deadline in mind. neither is going to be more than an AHL player with the occasional NHL stint.

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Caputi is craputi. He will not be an NHL player. I don't even think he's an AHL player. I remember back when Pittsburgh fans saw him as their power forward of the future. Ha.

Not too happy about giving up on Deschamps, but he didn't seem to be improving. But still I'd rather just waive him or get future considerations and the 50-contract max spot.

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2008 he did good if schultz pans out, other than that he drafted really bad for us. I like murrays drafting a lot more.
Gardiner was drafted in 2008. There was nothing bad about that draft pick.

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Gardiner was drafted in 2008. There was nothing bad about that draft pick.
The Ducks had the 12th pick courtesy of the Edmonton Oilers. There were plenty of players much better than Jake Gardiner available.

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The Ducks had the 12th pick courtesy of the Edmonton Oilers. There were plenty of players much better than Jake Gardiner available.
Like Tyler Myers, and fat head traded the pick :

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Like Tyler Myers, and fat head traded the pick :
Tyler Myers was considered even more of a project player than Gardiner was.

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The Ducks had the 12th pick courtesy of the Edmonton Oilers. There were plenty of players much better than Jake Gardiner available.
If you want a perfect draft, you're going to be waiting a long time. Gardiner was a fine pick. It's a bit early to say there are players "much" better than he'll be, since this is Gardiner's 1st season in the NHL.

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Like Tyler Myers, and fat head traded the pick :
It's easy to say in hindsight. All in all, the Ducks have been one of the luckier teams over the last ten years in this aspect, we're basically the last fan base that should complain

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If you want a perfect draft, you're going to be waiting a long time. Gardiner was a fine pick. It's a bit early to say there are players "much" better than he'll be, since this is Gardiner's 1st season in the NHL.
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It's easy to say in hindsight. All in all, the Ducks have been one of the luckier teams over the last ten years in this aspect, we're basically the last fan base that should complain
Exactly. Drafting is not an exact science. Complaining over picking a guy that ended up worse than any of the picks made after him really should be reserved to Hugh-Jessiman type situations, when you manage to find the bust in a can't-miss draft. There are a lot of teams out there that would love to switch places with us when it comes to our drafting record over the last decade.

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Exactly. Drafting is not an exact science. Complaining over picking a guy that ended up worse than any of the picks made after him really should be reserved to Hugh-Jessiman type situations, when you manage to find the bust in a can't-miss draft. There are a lot of teams out there that would love to switch places with us when it comes to our drafting record over the last decade.
Leafs fan here. I can definitely agree with this. I would like our teams to switch places in terms of drafting records... and #1 centers.....

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Caputi is craputi. He will not be an NHL player. I don't even think he's an AHL player. I remember back when Pittsburgh fans saw him as their power forward of the future. Ha.

Not too happy about giving up on Deschamps, but he didn't seem to be improving. But still I'd rather just waive him or get future considerations and the 50-contract max spot.
What do you know about hockey? not a clue I guess. caputi scored 51 in the ohl. about 50 with wilkes barre. Descamps sucks, but you must be blind. Caputi will be in the nhl in less than a month? you'll still be dumb.

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What do you know about hockey? not a clue I guess. caputi scored 51 in the ohl. about 50 with wilkes barre. Descamps sucks, but you must be blind. Caputi will be in the nhl in less than a month? you'll still be dumb.
Luca Caputi posts on HFboards...good to know.

BTW they've both benefited from the trade so far, Caputi has 5 pts in 4 games and I think Deschamps has 4 in 7 or something.

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What do you know about hockey? not a clue I guess. caputi scored 51 in the ohl. about 50 with wilkes barre. Descamps sucks, but you must be blind. Caputi will be in the nhl in less than a month? you'll still be dumb.
Corey Locke had 63 and 51 goal seasons in the OHL...ever heard of him in the NHL? Me neither.

Rob Schremp had 50+ goal seasons in the OHL, and he's not in the NHL anymore at age 25.

Players can be great in juniors against 16-20 year olds, but when they have to play in the AHL against men they can't transition their game, it's just how it goes.

The thing Caputi does have on his side is he has quite a decent frame, so he could become a decent 4th line grinder in the future I guess.

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Luca Caputi posts on HFboards...good to know

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I watched Caputi play in last night's game and I thought he looked pretty good. I never saw what happened in Pittsburgh or Toronto to give him his Craputi tag.

To my eye he was an effective forechecker who showed some aggression, and at one point a pretty wicked snap shot. He was a better version of Pat Maroon. Whether or not a better version of Pat Maroon makes the NHL, I have no idea.

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