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01-04-2012, 12:46 PM
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No one is looking to trade him. Didn't a habs fan make this proposal?
Literally nothing on the Habs would help us right now in giving up dubi except for maybe Patches.

But even then, Dubi has grown with the team since he came here and i really would be worried about the chemistry issue.

Unless he goes for someone like Bobby Ryan (obviously in a package) I don't want to see Dubi gone. I'm fine with his contract.

And in regards to your previous post, no sane Rangers fan thinks Montreal would trade Patches or Plek straight up for Dubi. We realize his value wouldn't bring back those guys, but nothing else on Montreal is even of interest since we are in win now mode and would need someone to replace Dubi on the roster IMMEDIATELY.

Yes it was

Ive stated before that the only way the Habs and Rangers are good trading partners are if they were interested in the Habs vets. They could be had for picks or prospects and are UFA in the summer.

Anything major and we just dont seem to fit....

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01-04-2012, 01:04 PM
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Yes it was

Ive stated before that the only way the Habs and Rangers are good trading partners are if they were interested in the Habs vets. They could be had for picks or prospects and are UFA in the summer.

Anything major and we just dont seem to fit....
Couldn't have said it better myself. Now watch the two teams make some massive trade

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01-04-2012, 01:06 PM
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Dubinsky Wolski for Cammalleri

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01-04-2012, 01:07 PM
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Couldn't have said it better myself. Now watch the two teams make some massive trade
Mcdonagh + Staal

Patches + Emelin +1st 2012


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Dubinsky Wolski for Cammalleri
Absolute no. Wolski is a pending RFA so he is off the books after this season and I prefer Dubi>Camm

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Absolute no. Wolski is a pending RFA so he is off the books after this season and I prefer Dubi>Camm
you meant UFA

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01-04-2012, 01:17 PM
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you meant UFA
No he's an RFA after this season and won't be retained at that contract.

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No he's an RFA after this season and won't be retained at that contract.
youre problably right since he is 25 years old (6th season) but nhlnumbers has him UFA next season.

my bad.

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so guys like Cole or Gionta wouldn't be considered upgrades either?

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I'll settle for Subban I guess.

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so guys like Cole or Gionta wouldn't be considered upgrades either?
Cole, no. While he can be better than Dubi production wise, he is much older and imo not an upgrade on dubi in any facet of the game. He may be slightly better offensively but that is surely debatable.

And Gionta, not at his cap hit and production this year.

And to Dany--no worries...i go by capgeek generally, which has him as an RFA.

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MTL/NYR are not good trading partners.

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so guys like Cole or Gionta wouldn't be considered upgrades either?
No, not to the rangers

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No one is looking to trade him. Didn't a habs fan make this proposal?

Literally nothing on the Habs would help us right now in giving up dubi except for maybe Patches.

But even then, Dubi has grown with the team since he came here and i really would be worried about the chemistry issue.

Unless he goes for someone like Bobby Ryan (obviously in a package) I don't want to see Dubi gone. I'm fine with his contract.

And in regards to your previous post, no sane Rangers fan thinks Montreal would trade Patches or Plek straight up for Dubi. We realize his value wouldn't bring back those guys, but nothing else on Montreal is even of interest since we are in win now mode and would need someone to replace Dubi on the roster IMMEDIATELY.
I'm fine with all your arguments. I don't even want Dubinsky.

And yes, a Habs fan did start this thread. But there are so many of us, and so many bipolar unknowledgeable ones, that you could probably find one or two who'd think bringing back Houle & Tremblay as GM/coach duo would be a good idea.

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I'll settle for Subban I guess.
Of course you would.

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Of course you would.
It's close though. We trade Dubinsky and leave a huge hole on LW. I'll take something like Subban and Paccioretty for Dubinsky and a pick. No other way the Rangers will move him IMO.

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It's close though. We trade Dubinsky and leave a huge hole on LW. I'll take something like Subban and Paccioretty for Dubinsky and a pick. No other way the Rangers will move him IMO.

I didnt know the Rangers have the #1 overall pick

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Holy hell, do Rangers fans ever overrate Dubinsky.

This is ridiculous. He'd be the Habs 3rd line LW.

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Holy hell, do Rangers fans ever overrate Dubinsky.

This is ridiculous. He'd be the Habs 3rd line LW.
How are they overrating him? No one here is saying his value is Subban or Patches. We KNOW he is worth less. But there is no way the Rangers are trading him for someone who is

A) Massive overpayment, ala Subban, etc
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B) Someone who can replace his productivity or be a slight upgrade in Patches

Once again, Montreal would be retarded to do this, but the OP asked what it would take and these are literally the ONLY ways in which the Rangers part with Dubi this season. We are built to win and need him to do so. If not him, then someone who can step in a provide just as much if not more.

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It's close though. We trade Dubinsky and leave a huge hole on LW. I'll take something like Subban and Paccioretty for Dubinsky and a pick. No other way the Rangers will move him IMO.
Not it's not. Not even close of being close.

I sincerely hope you were joking.

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How are they overrating him? No one here is saying his value is Subban or Patches
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I'll take something like Subban and Paccioretty for Dubinsky and a pick

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Holy hell, do Rangers fans ever overrate Dubinsky.

This is ridiculous. He'd be the Habs 3rd line LW.
And an overpaid one as well. I'm not denying when your team is doing well a shakeup isn't needed, I'm not denying it's a stupid idea and I'm not even denying the Rags wouldn't trade him. But the overvaluing of Dubi in this thread is laughable. He'd get you a 2nd, low 1st if you were very lucky, nothing more.

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And an overpaid one as well. I'm not denying when your team is doing well a shakeup isn't needed, I'm not denying it's a stupid idea and I'm not even denying the Rags wouldn't trade him. But the overvaluing of Dubi in this thread is laughable. He'd get you a 2nd, low 1st if you were very lucky, nothing more.
Lucky indeed. He's not worth a 1st. Overpaid and underwhelming upside. People spew all over these boards that Cammalleri has neutral value at best, and most probably negative. So why would a 4-goal scorer paid 4 million be worth substantially more?


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The Rangers are a very tough, gritty team. Montreal is a very soft team. Rangers fans value players like Dubinsky very highly. Montreal fans don't value players like Dubinsky.

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The Rangers are a very tough, gritty team. Montreal is a very soft team. Rangers fans value players like Dubinsky very highly. Montreal fans don't value players like Dubinsky.
Some people have blinders on when putting a value on their own players .
They tend to take an average player and try to make him seem like a star.

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To be honest I doubt there are trades to be made for the habs-rangers. I dont see the rangers giving away top end talent for The habs 1st. They have the team to win now so at most they might want some of the habs vets to plug holes for a good PO run.
Yes, but we can can give you enough good talent that = profitable upgrade on 1st.
We just can't give that to you now, at least not more than a taste of it (now), cause we're in playoff push mode. But when season is over, we can complete what is informally AND UNOFFICIALLY 'a {single} handshake deal' by extending it to couple of multiple deals.

For example; the title of the thread is Dubi to Montreal.
Obviously, what Rangers really want is Montreal 1st. And somewhere between the down-even-think-about-it Kreiders and the untouchables (Callahan, etc.) are enough pieces to make that work.
But as noted Rangers can't afford more than Dubi at most.

So Rangers trade, say, Dubi + Christian Thomas + Paveltenko for Montreal 2nd, and Cole. You get Dubi, see how he fits. You get a close look at Thomas. When the season is over, we come to an agreement on how much Dubi + CT are worth. We then return Cole and the Habs 2nd + X for Montreal's 1st and maybe Y.

That's one variation where risk is a little more leveraged.

It may not be possible to 100% leverage all risk entirely. I never said THAT.
I only meant an acceptable construct could be created with some kind of downpayment, which ostensibly would be Dubinsky.

If Rangers don't follow through, Montreal is unhappy, though it can live with Dubi + CT.
If Montreal welshes on its word, Sather still has something (in this example a 2nd +).

I'm sure other permutations can be made which get you Dubi now.
If we want to push the envelope, it could be Dubi now + minimal X + 2 future 1sts (say 2013 and 2015) for the Canadiens 2012 first.

Again, the idea behind my suggestion would be to see if there is middle ground which can work for a win-win.

Dubi will get another dozen + goals over the rest of the season (barring injury) + approach 20. Plus hustle and play great D.

If the Canadiens want that now before season's end, they have to bring something substantial to the table also.

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