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10-06-2004, 09:16 AM
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I remember Niedermayer getting in a fight with Jeff Halpern in defense of a teammate (Brodeur). That doesn't seem to be something Kaberle would do.

I think there are plenty of guys around the NHL who will be available for around Kaberle's cost, that would be a better fit with the team and a better substitute for what Nieds provided.
Kaberle dropped the gloves against Jeremy Roenick when Robert Svehla was rocked by an open ice hit with his head down. I don't think any punches were thrown, but he did go at Roenick without hesitation.

Btw... comparing Tomas Kaberle to Scott Niedermayer... are you serious? You might as well compare Aki Berg to Chris Pronger and Karel Pilar to Sergei Zubov.

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Kaberle dropped the gloves against Jeremy Roenick when Robert Svehla was rocked by an open ice hit with his head down. I don't think any punches were thrown, but he did go at Roenick without hesitation.

Btw... comparing Tomas Kaberle to Scott Niedermayer... are you serious? You might as well compare Aki Berg to Chris Pronger and Karel Pilar to Sergei Zubov.

Well isn't Berg and Pronger considered equal...., as well as Pilar and Zubov? Well golly gee.....aren't I stoopid.

With every post you only make me think your less and less credible. I think the recess bell is ringing...you better head back to class.

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Well isn't Berg and Pronger considered equal...., as well as Pilar and Zubov? Well golly gee.....aren't I stoopid.

With every post you only make me think your less and less credible. I think the recess bell is ringing...you better head back to class.
Sarcasm anyone?

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Lamoriello has a history of keeping his pending UFAs, even when there is a strong possibility that they might walk as UFAs in the summer. It may not make for riveting off-season discussion, but in reality Lou is likely to retain Niedermayer until his UFA status kicks in, do what he can to rekindle talks in the interim, and retain him through the playoffs.

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10-08-2004, 11:53 PM
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This is all mental masturbation, but if Scott is going to leave after the next season, whenever that is, I would hope he would be candid with Lou. I do NOT want to see him leave. But I could see him and his brother going to Vancouver. I don't think Rafalski would go anywhere. I think he feels a loyalty to the organization because he is playing in the NHL thanks to the great scouting of the Devils. He could still be playing in Europe if it wasn't for David Conte, et. al.

Nieder played well with Scott Hannan as his partner during the World Cup. I wonder if San Jose would trade Brad Stuart for Nieder if they feel that they can sign Scotty and that he would put them over the top and give them a real chance to win the Cup.

Any thoughts? Thanks.

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If there really is a strong possibility of nieds leaving like everyone is rumoring I would consider Stuart straight up for nieds - thats not too far off from being reasonable - stuart reminds me of nieds from time to time... nieds is only going to get older, stuart will only be 25 at the end of the 04-05 non existant season.

only question is, will san jose do it? it will be tough.

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If there really is a strong possibility of nieds leaving like everyone is rumoring I would consider Stuart straight up for nieds - thats not too far off from being reasonable - stuart reminds me of nieds from time to time... nieds is only going to get older, stuart will only be 25 at the end of the 04-05 non existant season.

only question is, will san jose do it? it will be tough.
I don't see NJ being able to get much for Neidermayer in a trade under the current situation. No team will give up someone like Stuart when they know they could sign Neidermayer over the summer if he was willing to sign with their team in the first place. It does suck fo the Devils (& their fans), but I don't see their being any point in trying to trade Neidermayer. They'd be better off going for another cup run (if there is a season) before he leaves to another team. If Stevens retires, and Neidermayer leaves, the Devils better hope that Rafalski feels like sticking around in town. If Rafalski wants to leave too, the Devils are going to be in a lot of trouble.

Keeping Neidermayer for the season seems to be the best option to me. If there is no season, then it is all a moot point anyhow, since he can't be traded if their is no season.

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Scott Niedermayer has absolutely no trade value right now (with no season).

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Keeping Scott Niedermayer would be the devils best option imo. They are not going to get anyone to fill his shoes and if they intend on contending be it this season if there is a season I really see it hard for them to do so with out Scott. And besides maybe he will have a change of heart and decide to stay with NJ after all who knows but it would be nice to see the guy in Toronto blue and white

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Keeping Scott Niedermayer would be the devils best option imo. They are not going to get anyone to fill his shoes and if they intend on contending be it this season if there is a season I really see it hard for them to do so with out Scott. And besides maybe he will have a change of heart and decide to stay with NJ after all who knows but it would be nice to see the guy in Toronto blue and white
With Brian Leetch likely going back to New York this coming offseason, I can see either Niedermayer, Gonchar, or even maybe Pronger in Toronto.

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With Brian Leetch likely going back to New York this coming offseason, I can see either Niedermayer, Gonchar, or even maybe Pronger in Toronto.
I would expect those players to look to sign with contenders.

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With Brian Leetch likely going back to New York this coming offseason, I can see either Niedermayer, Gonchar, or even maybe Pronger in Toronto.
The Devils would match any offer Toronto throws at Niedermayer. If Scott goes anywhere its Vancouver.

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The Devils would match any offer Toronto throws at Niedermayer. If Scott goes anywhere its Vancouver.
I doubt it.

The Leafs can probably afford to throw $7M to $8M at him next July.

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I doubt it.

The Leafs can probably afford to throw $7M to $8M at him next July.

Next July if Stevens retires. The Devils will have $7M to throw at him too.

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I doubt it.

The Leafs can probably afford to throw $7M to $8M at him next July.
Seeing as we already offered him 7-8 million, I think we can afford to match.

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Next July if Stevens retires. The Devils will have $7M to throw at him too.
It'll be interesting to see what happens.

Toronto's going to have a lot of options if Leetch goes awar.

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I doubt it.

The Leafs can probably afford to throw $7M to $8M at him next July.
Should Stevens retire, I wouldn't be surprised to see him net 9 million from NJ but thats just me.

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Should Stevens retire, I wouldn't be surprised to see him net 9 million from NJ but thats just me.
That would be an overpayment.

And if Stevens leaves, you think Niedermayer's going to want to stick around? NJ's proven they're half the team they are with Scott when he's injured.

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That would be an overpayment.

And if Stevens leaves, you think Niedermayer's going to want to stick around? NJ's proven they're half the team they are with Scott when he's injured.
Their still a playoff team and most likely in better shape than the Leafs. If David Hale replaces his physical presence they'll be fine.

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That would be an overpayment.

And if Stevens leaves, you think Niedermayer's going to want to stick around? NJ's proven they're half the team they are with Scott when he's injured.
You realize our winning percentage was better without Stevens than with him, right?

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This is all mental masturbation, but if Scott is going to leave after the next season, whenever that is, I would hope he would be candid with Lou. I do NOT want to see him leave. But I could see him and his brother going to Vancouver. I don't think Rafalski would go anywhere. I think he feels a loyalty to the organization because he is playing in the NHL thanks to the great scouting of the Devils. He could still be playing in Europe if it wasn't for David Conte, et. al.

Nieder played well with Scott Hannan as his partner during the World Cup. I wonder if San Jose would trade Brad Stuart for Nieder if they feel that they can sign Scotty and that he would put them over the top and give them a real chance to win the Cup.

Any thoughts? Thanks.
Umm, Hannan played with Bouwmeester, and Niedermayer played with Regher......I wonder if Calgary would like to trade Niedermayer for Leopold straight up :lol

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Umm, Hannan played with Bouwmeester, and Niedermayer played with Regher......I wonder if Calgary would like to trade Niedermayer for Leopold straight up :lol
In NHL 2005 I traded Niedermayer for Leopold and Regehr.

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That would be an overpayment.

And if Stevens leaves, you think Niedermayer's going to want to stick around? NJ's proven they're half the team they are with Scott when he's injured.

I suppose Toronto would be an appealing destination, then? Oh wait, they're pushing 40 years with no hope in sight.

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You realize our winning percentage was better without Stevens than with him, right?

Oh and that winning percentage without Stevens helped us beat Philly, right?

There was a clear difference in the Devils play without Stevens.. if you didn't see that - you weren't watching.

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Oh and that winning percentage without Stevens helped us beat Philly, right?

There was a clear difference in the Devils play without Stevens.. if you didn't see that - you weren't watching.
We had bigger problems against Philly, bro. It wasn't so much not having Stevens as it was not having a physical defenseman... any physical defenseman. Not playing Hale was a huge mistake.

That and we just weren't on our game. We played an identical series to the one in 2002 against Carolina.

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