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04-28-2012, 12:48 PM
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No he's not.
Great rebuttal.

Burrows is an excellent PKer and has finished top-ten in Selke voting in the past (which is heavily biased towards centres).

But whatever, some people have predetermined opinions about him and are unwilling to admit he is one heck of a player. I really can't think of many better candidates for the role he will be playing.

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04-28-2012, 01:01 PM
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Burrows is a great addition that makes a lot of sense.
Here's my updated lineup:
1. Benn- Tavares- Eberle (Skilled line with tons of offensive skill)

2. Sharp- Getzlaf- Perry (Very responsible offensive line THAT is just as good playing defense, they're going to be one of the lines that play the most. All three players are known for their offensive AND defensive play)

3. Kane- Nugent Hopkins - Skinner (SPEEDY skilled offensive line, good for the big ice)

4. Ladd - O' Reilly - Burrows (Primary two way line, all players are well known two way players in the NHL. They're gritty and also are skilled offensively)


Defense
1. Subban- Keith
2. Bouwmeester- Phaneuf
3. Vlasic- Methot

Goal:
1.Ward
2.Dubnyk

PK:
1. Ladd - O'Reilly: Bouwmeester- Keith
2. Burrows- Getzlaf: Subban- Vlasic

PP:
1. Benn- Taveres- Eberle: Subban- Keith
2. Sharp - Getzlaf - Perry : Phaenuf: Bouwmeester
*Really, it can be any of the forward lines that play best together.

Captain- Getzlaf (Natural leader, Olympian, skilled at both ends of ice)
Alternate- Tavares (A lot of successful experience for Team Canada at the worlds and lower levels)
Alternate- Phaneuf


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04-28-2012, 01:07 PM
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I think we are likely to see Sharp-Burrows on the PK together.

As well bringing in Burrows gives you a guy who can play anywhere in the lineup and on any lines 1-4

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04-28-2012, 01:17 PM
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Burrows is a great addition that makes a lot of sense.
Here's my updated lineup:
1. Benn- Tavares- Eberle (Skilled line with tons of offensive skill)

2. Sharp- Getzlaf- Perry (Very responsible offensive line THAT is just as good playing defense, they're going to be one of the lines that play the most. All three players are known for their offensive AND defensive play)

3. Kane- Nugent Hopkins - Skinner (SPEEDY skilled offensive line, good for the big ice)

4. Ladd - O' Reilly - Burrows (Primary two way line, all players are well known two way players in the NHL. They're gritty and also are skilled offensively)


Defense
1. Subban- Keith
2. Bouwmeester- Phaneuf
3. Vlasic- Methot

Goal:
1.Ward
2.Dubnyk

PK:
1. Ladd - O'Reilly: Bouwmeester- Keith
2. Burrows- Getzlaf: Subban- Vlasic

PP:
1. Skinner- Taveres- Eberle: Subban- Keith
2. Sharp - Getzlaf - Perry : Phaenuf: Bouwmeester
*Really, it can be any of the forward lines that play best together.

Captain- Getzlaf (Natural leader, Olympian, skilled at both ends of ice)
Alternate- Tavares (A lot of successful experience for Team Canada at the worlds and lower levels)
Alternate- Phaneuf
JBo on 1st PK unit over one of the best defensive defensman in Vlasic? I don't think so.

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04-28-2012, 01:19 PM
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JBo on 1st PK unit over one of the best defensive defensman in Vlasic? I don't think so.
I think so. Bouwmeester is arguably the top defensive defensman in the NHL. Mainly, because of his amazing skating ability, both forward and backwards, and long reach. Vlasic is good, but Bouwmeester has the clear advantage.

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04-28-2012, 01:21 PM
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I think so. Bouwmeester is arguably the top defensive defensman in the NHL. Mainly, because of his amazing skating ability, both forward and backwards, and long reach. Vlasic is good, but Bouwmeester has the clear advantage.
I like JBo, but this is just laughable.

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04-28-2012, 01:26 PM
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As an Oiler fan who hates everything Canucks...

Burrows is a fine choice and I'm looking forward to seeing him without any negative bias.
Nice to see someone look at this through an objective lens. I hate players like Brad Marchand, for example, but you can't deny they are good players who can help you win.

Burrows is a guy who can rove pretty much anywhere on the lineup. He can play an offensive role, he can play a shutdown role, he can play a checking role, he works well on both the PP and the PK - he is your everyman. He'll be a good asset for this team.

Matt Cooke helped Canada win a gold at this thing, remember. Cheer for the logo on the front, don't worry about the name on the back.

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04-28-2012, 01:28 PM
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Spezza got shafted big time here. He wanted to make the team, but they decide to go with.. Burrows!?

He would have been Canada's best player and he's joined Hockey Canada in the past as well. Really feel bad for him.

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04-28-2012, 01:28 PM
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Nice to see someone look at this through an objective lens. I hate players like Brad Marchand, for example, but you can't deny they are good players who can help you win.

Burrows is a guy who can rove pretty much anywhere on the lineup. He can play an offensive role, he can play a shutdown role, he can play a checking role, he works well on both the PP and the PK - he is your everyman. He'll be a good asset for this team.

Matt Cooke helped Canada win two golds at this thing, remember.
Isnt that why we have oreilly and sharp

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04-28-2012, 01:33 PM
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Unless these are just lines you'd like to see, I really can't see Tavares on anything lower than the second line. It makes sense to have Getzlaf-Perry and RNH-Eberle together, but Tavares had a better season than anyone on the first line. Unless Getzlaf plays like he's supposed to, Tavares is the best center we have on the team.
Remember Kevin Lowe is GM (President of Oilers) and Brent Sutter is coach (Likely to be Oilers next HC and Owner of RNH's former Junior Team), I think he's gonna give big minutes to Nugent-Hopkins this tournament.

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04-28-2012, 01:34 PM
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Spezza got shafted big time here. He wanted to make the team, but they decide to go with.. Burrows!?

He would have been Canada's best player and he's joined Hockey Canada in the past as well. Really feel bad for him.
He only got shafted if Hockey Canada approached Burrows after Spezza asked to be on the team. I suspect Burrows was asked first because HC doesn't have a reputation for shafting players.

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04-28-2012, 01:36 PM
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I like JBo, but this is just laughable.

Yes your quote is laughable. Ask any hockey person. Bouwmeester is the better penalty killer and better defensive defenseman. Especially on the big ice. It's like you're saying Burrows is better than Crosby. Just ridiculous.

Bouwmeester: Short handed time on ice per game: 3:18 (1st PK unit)
Power play time on ice per game : 2:10
Time on ice per game : 26 minutes
Bouwmeester played more on the PK and ice than veteran penalty killers Hannan and Sarich. And also played more than Giordano and Buttler.

Vlasic: Short handed time on ice per game: 2:07 (2nd PK unit)
Power play time on ice per game : 0:33
Time on ice per game : 23 minutes
Vlasic isn't even the top penalty killing d-man on his team. Brent Burns and some guy named Douglas Murray play more time on the PK than him.

Look at things logically.

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04-28-2012, 01:38 PM
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i still think Seguin and Spezza are MUCH better players in general.


If you want a 4th line checker then move someone else down Getzlaf. I rather them take the best players they can especially since scoring against the russians last time was pathetic


it is 1 game elimination. You arent going to tire out opponents with your checking
I won't disagree with you here. This is more of a stylistic choice, and I think a valid argument could be made on either side of the ledger. Yes, a pure scorer is more likely to pot you a goal over the course of a few games. On the other hand, a few big PKs could prevent a few goals against, as well. Guess it just comes down to how the brass sees the team shaping up and what kind of look they want to go for.

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04-28-2012, 01:41 PM
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Spezza got shafted big time here. He wanted to make the team, but they decide to go with.. Burrows!?

He would have been Canada's best player and he's joined Hockey Canada in the past as well. Really feel bad for him.
Did Spezza say he wanted to play in the WHC this year?

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04-28-2012, 01:46 PM
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Burrows on the same team as Keith. Interesting...

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Did Spezza say he wanted to play in the WHC this year?
Yes. There's a link a couple of pages back.

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Great rebuttal.

Burrows is an excellent PKer and has finished top-ten in Selke voting in the past (which is heavily biased towards centres).

But whatever, some people have predetermined opinions about him and are unwilling to admit he is one heck of a player. I really can't think of many better candidates for the role he will be playing.
He plays with the Sedins and had less points than Tyler Bozak... if you're looking solely at defensive play there are far better options there too

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Good to see Burr make team Canada.

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04-28-2012, 01:55 PM
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Seems pretty obvious that they asked Burrows to play before Spezza became an option.

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He plays with the Sedins and had less points than Tyler Bozak... if you're looking solely at defensive play there are far better options there too
But you're not. You're looking at both. Hence the term "2-way". Re: your rather laughable Bozak comment, history and consistency actually matter to people who, you know, know hockey and make these decisions.

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But you're not. You're looking at both. Hence the term "2-way". Re: your rather laughable Bozak comment, history and consistency actually matter to people who, you know, know hockey and make these decisions.
Burrows 2010/2011 - 48 points
Bozak 2010/2011 - 32 points

Burrows 2011/2012 - 52 points
Bozak 2011/2012 - 47 points


One plays with the Sedins. One does not. But of course... Burrows has history and consistency of being so superior while playing with 2 of the best players in the league... how laughable. The guy is a rat who runs away and hides every time.

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Burrows is not the best option. He is a below average Top Six NHL Player and there would be better choices for a Bottom Six role.

Just keeping the Canucks fans happy.

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He plays with the Sedins and had less points than Tyler Bozak... if you're looking solely at defensive play there are far better options there too
name some

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Burrows 2010/2011 - 48 points
Bozak 2010/2011 - 32 points

Burrows 2011/2012 - 52 points
Bozak 2011/2012 - 47 points


One plays with the Sedins. One does not. But of course... Burrows has history and consistency of being so superior while playing with 2 of the best players in the league... how laughable. The guy is a rat who runs away and hides every time.
Go back further. Include Goal tallies while you're at it.

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Burrows is not the best option. He is a below average Top Six NHL Player and there would be better choices for a Bottom Six role.

Just keeping the Canucks fans happy.
All the guy does is score, with and without the sedins.

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