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01-04-2012, 06:52 PM
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Jagr not known for his speed?

I have read numerous threads in which people claim that Jagr was never fast and that players like Selanne were faster than him.

I found this on youtube that shows that Jagr was actually fast enough to be in the Fastest Skater competition against Fedorov in 1994.



In comparison to his peers, where would Jagr have been ranked in his prime in terms of his speed?

Was he at the same level as Bure, Fedorov, Bondra, Selanne?

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01-04-2012, 06:58 PM
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And how did he finish in that fastest skater competition?

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01-04-2012, 07:00 PM
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And how did he finish in that fastest skater competition?
If I'm not mistaken he finished 2nd behind Fedorov.

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Yes jags6868, Jagr was just as fast as Bure. So am I.

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01-04-2012, 07:10 PM
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Yes jags6868, Jagr was just as fast as Bure. So am I.
If you want to make fun of my thread, please do it in private. I was asking a legitimate question.

I never made a claim that he was faster than Bure. I came in here because I know there are a lot of posters who have some great knowledge on the History of hockey and I was just curious to see what they thought about Jagr's speed.

I myself was always under the impression that when Jagr was in his early 20's and weighed between 200-215 lbs and before his groin injuries that he was among the fastest players in the league. As he got older, as the groin injuries started to become more frequent and as Jagr started to put on more weight that speed became less a part of his game.

It's a simple question.


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01-04-2012, 07:46 PM
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Jagr had a pretty good top end in a straight line and he was a powerful skater but he didn't have the acceleration.

He wasn't a guy that could go from a dead stop and beat too many people.
Once he got going though, it was like trying to stop a 2 ton truck.

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01-04-2012, 07:57 PM
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Jagr had a pretty good top end in a straight line and he was a powerful skater but he didn't have the acceleration.

He wasn't a guy that could go from a dead stop and beat too many people.
Once he got going though, it was like trying to stop a 2 ton truck.
This. Same was true of Lindros.

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01-04-2012, 08:07 PM
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surprised he skated that fast without a helmet on... you know because of the drag resistance from that giant hair....

Selanne was definitely faster than Jagr, there's no question about it. A lot of people forget how has Selanne was, even after his near career ending injury to his Achilles tendon... 1992/1993 Selanne is probably top 5 fastest players in the history of the NHL.

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surprised he skated that fast without a helmet on... you know because of the drag resistance from that giant hair....
That is probably why he came in 2nd.

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This. Same was true of Lindros.

...only Lindros was more of the 4 ton variety

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...only Lindros was more of the 4 ton variety
Lindros used his size more to throw hits around but in terms of actual size, they are not that much different.

Lindros was 6'4, 210-245 lbs and Jagr was 6'3, 200-245 lbs.

Both big guys. Jagr though evolved into that size. He slowly changed his game, year by year. When he first joined the NHL, he relied solely on speed and stickhandling.

He later put on muscle and learned to use his size and puck protecting skills.

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01-04-2012, 08:54 PM
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surprised he skated that fast without a helmet on... you know because of the drag resistance from that giant hair....

Selanne was definitely faster than Jagr, there's no question about it. A lot of people forget how has Selanne was, even after his near career ending injury to his Achilles tendon... 1992/1993 Selanne is probably top 5 fastest players in the history of the NHL.
Can someone back this statement up?

Selanne is fast but top 5 all-time?

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Lindros used his size more to throw hits around but in terms of actual size, they are not that much different.

Lindros was 6'4, 210-245 lbs and Jagr was 6'3, 200-245 lbs.

Both big guys. Jagr though evolved into that size. He slowly changed his game, year by year. When he first joined the NHL, he relied solely on speed and stickhandling.

He later put on muscle and learned to use his size and puck protecting skills.
No, Lindros was more like 6'5" 240 and according to the stories, Eric had to do extra cardio just to keep his weight below 240. One of his teammates once joked that if Lindros just picked up a weight, he would put on 5 lbs of muscle heh.

Jagr was more in the 6'2"/6'3" 225 range.
They are not and were not even remotely close in size no matter what the "official" stats list them at.
The eye test, even from 100 feet away, is won pretty handily by Lindros.

Jagr was a beast but Lindros was a monster and a freak of nature.


I have to ask though, what exactly are you asking? Whether or not Jagr was a speed demon...he wasn't. He was fast for a big man but he wasn't in the same class as a Bure or Selanne for acceleration or agility at top speed.


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Can someone back this statement up?

Selanne is fast but top 5 all-time?
Not sure I would have him top 5 all-time either but he's definitely up there and quite a bit ahead of where Jagr would place.


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Can someone back this statement up?

Selanne is fast but top 5 all-time?
This is Seanconn, a guy who once claimed Selanne to be greater than Mike Bossy. Take his Selanne preachings with a grain of salt.

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I don't ever remember Jagr being in the conversation for fastest skater in the league. He was always talked about for his great leg strength and his incredible stickhandling (definitely 2nd best I've ever seen, to Lemieux).

I would actually put him in the Lemieux category for speed. At their primes, they were fast, just not that fast.

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This is Seanconn, a guy who once claimed Selanne to be greater than Mike Bossy. Take his Selanne preachings with a grain of salt.
no I didn't...

the important thing is that Selanne has always been faster than Jagr, and still is.

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no I didn't...

the important thing is that Selanne has always been faster than Jagr, and still is.
The important thing, actually, is that Jagr has always been better than Selanne.

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The important thing, actually, is that Jagr has always been better than Selanne.
always???

definitely not always.


but actually, in a thread about SPEED, I'd say what I said is more important... this isn't about who is better at hockey...

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always???

definitely not always.


but actually, in a thread about SPEED, I'd say what I said is more important... this isn't about who is better at hockey...
except one year , Jagr was always better than Selanne.

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Can someone back this statement up?

Selanne is fast but top 5 all-time?
Well, i cant back it up. But i have a feeling that Selanne is considered at-least top-10 fastest players. In before injuries.

Bure, Selanne and others were at top speed with only three-four kicks. Jagr did not have that much of an acceleration. But he was fast still. He had power in his legs that much. When he got going, there was nobody that could stop him tough.

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Would you rank Selanne ahead of Bure in speed of skating?

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Would you rank Selanne ahead of Bure in speed of skating?
Personally, I wouldn't be comfortable ranking anyone ahead of Bure in terms of skating speed.

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Personally, I wouldn't be comfortable ranking anyone ahead of Bure in terms of skating speed.
I think Selanne was on par with Bure on his first year. But after the achilles tendon injury, he lost a bit of his step. After the knee started to act out he los a major part of his speed.

Bure was overall maybe a bit faster, but Selanne before injuries was pretty close if not even.

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Personally, I wouldn't be comfortable ranking anyone ahead of Bure in terms of skating speed.
I think Fedorov and Coffee could give Bure a run for his money.

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Personally, I wouldn't be comfortable ranking anyone ahead of Bure in terms of skating speed.
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I think Selanne was on par with Bure on his first year. But after the achilles tendon injury, he lost a bit of his step. After the knee started to act out he los a major part of his speed.

Bure was overall maybe a bit faster, but Selanne before injuries was pretty close if not even.
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I think Fedorov and Coffee could give Bure a run for his money.


Bure never won this. Gartner holds the record. S. Niedermayer put some interesting numbers.

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