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01-05-2012, 08:58 PM
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Bobby Hull's post 35 performance in the WHA should be considered IMO, since we're talking about history of the game, not history of the NHL.
Yep, Hull is up there. After 35 he had that 77 goal year plus stellar performances in the 1974 summitt and the 1976 Canada Cup

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01-05-2012, 09:01 PM
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I might actually lean towards Lidstrom, although Howe is great, he didnt finish 1st or second in scoring at this age. 4 norris trophies and a solid runner up in 2009 beat 3rd to 5th place finishes. Lidstrom also has more playoff success in this period. Lidstrom is the best 35+ player in nhl history.

Although Tim Thomas probably has the best peak of any player 35+ and over. Last year he put up a season for the ages and is on track to win the vezina again. I think he could end up greater than johnny bower.
Howe did win his last AR at age 35 in 1963.

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01-06-2012, 12:03 AM
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01-06-2012, 12:06 AM
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Best Players by Points per Game
Rank Player PPG GP G A PTS
1 Mario Lemieux* 1.35 170 77 152 229
2 Frank Mahovlich* 1.16 149 69 104 173
3 Martin St. Louis 1.13 115 41 89 130
4 Wayne Gretzky* 1.12 314 80 271 351
5 Jean Ratelle* 1.08 432 160 305 465
6 Joe Sakic 1.07 223 83 156 239
7 John Bucyk* 1.04 567 244 348 592
8 Teemu Selanne 1.02 417 196 229 425
9 Jean Beliveau* 1.00 314 120 193 313
10 Gordie Howe* 0.99 647 261 377 638
11 Mats Sundin 0.96 190 68 114 182
12 Daniel Alfredsson 0.95 307 110 183 293
13 Marcel Dionne* 0.93 185 66 106 172

Also Hasek, Brodeur, Belfour, Tim Thomas, Scott Stevens, Larry Robinson, Brett Hull, and Messier should be in the field.
I think he said Best Player, not best stats

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01-06-2012, 12:12 AM
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This man. One of my favourite players ever, besides Yzerman, Thomas, and Iginla.

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01-06-2012, 12:19 AM
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Most NHL goals from 35 yrs up [*active]:
Gordie Howe - 261
Johnny Bucyk - 244
Mark Messier - 202
*Teemu Selanne - 196
Jean Ratelle - 160
Brett Hull - 155
Mark Recchi - 147
Alex Delvecchio - 128
Dean Prentiss - 126
Dave Andreychuk - 123
Brendan Shanahan - 123

*Mike Knuble - 112
*Daniel Alfredsson - 110
*Ray Whitney - 101
*Nicklas Lidstrom - 88 [most ever by a defenseman]

Most NHL games from 35 yrs up:
Chris Chelios - 803
Tim Horton - 673
Gordie Howe - 647
Mark Messier - 629
Igor Larionov - 618
Johnny Bucyk - 567
Mark Recchi - 561
*Nicklas Lidstrom - 517
Adam Oates - 511
Allan Stanley - 495

*Sean O'Donnell - 427
*Teemu Selanne - 418
*Mike Knuble - 350

GK
Johnny Bower - 436
Ed Belfour - 351
*Dwayne Roloson - 340
Dominik Hasek - 321
Tony Esposito - 307

*Martin Brodeur - 265
*Nikolai Khabibulin - 182
*Johan Hedberg - 132
*Tim Thomas - 125

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01-06-2012, 12:34 AM
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Most goals in an NHL season 35 yrs and up:
- Johnny Bucyk - 51 (age 35)

Most goals in an NHL season 40 yrs and up:
- Gordie Howe - 44 (age 40)

Most points in an NHL season 35 yrs and up:
- Johnny Bucyk - 116 (age 35)

Most points in an NHL season 40 yrs and up:
- Gordie Howe - 103 (age 40)

Highest +/- in an NHL season 35 yrs and up:
- Jean Ratelle - +49 (age 37)

Highest +/- in an NHL season 35 yrs and up:
- Gordie Howe - +45 (age 40)

Highest PPG average (min 60 games) in an NHL season 35 yrs and up:
- Johnny Bucyk - 1.49 (age 35)

Highest PPG average (min 60 games) in an NHL season 40 yrs and up:
- Gordie Howe - 1.36 (age 40)

Most PIMs in an NHL season 35 yrs and up:
- Stu Grimson - 235 (age 35)

Most PIMs in an NHL season 40 yrs and up:
- Chris Chelios - 126 (age 40)

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01-06-2012, 12:40 AM
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Lidstrom or Lemieux

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01-06-2012, 01:24 AM
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Howe did win his last AR at age 35 in 1963.
I always thought the criteria is the age at which you were at the start of the season. If his 1963 season counts then i guess its him, but lids was screwed by the lockout.

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01-06-2012, 06:06 AM
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Selanne from 05-12:

35 years old: 80gp 40g 90pts (Kunitz-MacDonald-Selanne)
36 years old: 82gp 48g 94pts (Kunitz-MacDonald-Selanne)
37 years old: 26gp 12g 11a 23pts (Bertuzzi-Weight-Selanne)
38 years old: 65gp 27g 27a 54pts, Severe thigh laceration (Christensen/Kunitz-Ebbett-Selanne)
39 years old: 54gp 27g 21a 48pts, Broken hand, Broken Jaw (Sexton/Blake-Koivu-Selanne)
40 years old: 73gp 31g 49a 80pts Groin,Knee (Blake-Koivu-Selanne)
41 years old: 38gp 11g 25a 36pts (Cogliano/Ryan/Blake-Koivu/Bonino-Selanne)

Selanne is tied for 8th in GPG post lockout which is amazing when you look at the ages of the players ahead of him.

1.Ovechkin 20-26yo
2.Gaborik 23-29yo
3.Kovalchuk 22-28yo
4.Stamkos 18-21yo
5.Crosby 18-24yo
6.Heatley 25-31yo
7.Iginla 28-34yo
8.Semin 22-27yo
8.Selanne 35-41yo

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01-06-2012, 12:29 PM
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Selanne can get an HM I guess, but he wasn't a 1st or 2nd Team All Star after the age of 35, so he doesn't have a case over Howe or Lidstrom.

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01-06-2012, 02:21 PM
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Selanne can get an HM I guess, but he wasn't a 1st or 2nd Team All Star after the age of 35, so he doesn't have a case over Howe or Lidstrom.
I didn't say so, but in my opinion he's right there behind the two especially if you count 40+ play in higher regard.

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01-07-2012, 10:34 AM
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Lidstrom (could make the HOF off those years alone)
Howe

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01-08-2012, 02:08 AM
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It is easily Howe. I can't even see an argument for Lidstrom over Howe. Howe played 15 seasons and 17 years post 35. Was still one of the very best in NHL until 1970. Among the best players in the WHA and International Tournaments in the 1970's.

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01-08-2012, 03:36 PM
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Howe & Lemieux for me.

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01-08-2012, 11:06 PM
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Johnny Bower is getting seriously overlooked in this discussion. His entire Hall of Fame career (not counting a few cups of coffee) was after the age of 34


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Johnny Bower is getting seriously overlooked in this discussion. His entire Hall of Fame career (not counting a few cups of coffee) was after the age of 34
True. He's definitely up there.

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01-09-2012, 07:59 PM
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Howe & Lemieux for me.
These guys ^

After that there's a few guys, but nobody matches Howe and Lemieux. I'd probably give Howe the nod but either one.

HM to my boy Dino for popping 37 goals with the Lightning at age 37.

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