HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk Trade rumors, transactions, and free agent talk. Rumors must contain the word RUMOR in post title. Proposals must contain the word PROPOSAL in post title.

Derek Roy (On the block as of 1/7) to the highest bidder

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
01-05-2012, 04:28 PM
  #1
Connor McDavid
Generational Poster
 
Connor McDavid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Country: Ras al-Khaimah
Posts: 12,079
vCash: 436
Derek Roy (On the block as of 1/7) to the highest bidder

Roy, while an underperformer thus far this season on a team full of them, is at worst a top-tier #2 scoring center. His worst year post-lockout was his sophomore year of 05-06, where he put up 46 points in 70 games. Since then, he's one of a handful of active players who recorded 40 or more assists in four straight seasons, and would have continued that streak last year if not for a season-ending injury. He's signed through the 12-13 season on a $4m deal, which is excellent for someone with his production.

He, for whatever reason, isn't clicking this year on the Sabres, and has gone in the minds of many fans from untouchable (due to his play and contract) to especially moveable. He's currently on pace for 50 points but it's reasonable to expect he'd increase production with a change of scenery, especially to a contending team. If the Sabres decide to move him, he'd be the realistic (read: not Getzlaf/Staal/etc.) prize of the deadline. The two situations wherein he'd be traded:

a) Rebuild/retooling as the Sabres are out of the playoff race. In this case, they would be looking for younger, high potential centers in the mold of Hodgson along with a way to move up their 1st in next year's draft.

b) A playoff push as the Sabres have righted the ship without Roy being a major player. In this case they would look to couple Roy with high-potential wingers (Stafford, Ennis, Armia), defensemen (Sekera, Brennan, Pysyk, Gauthier-Leduc), and even early picks to acquire a center of Staal or Getzlaf's caliber.

Note: Center is an organizational weakness, and likely has slightly higher value to the Sabres than other teams. Wing and Defense are strengths, and Goaltender is average.


Last four years:

07-08: 78 GP, 32-49-81
08-09: 82 GP, 28-42-70
09-10: 80 GP, 26-43-69
10-11: 35 GP, 10-25-35


Last edited by Connor McDavid: 01-07-2012 at 11:49 PM.
Connor McDavid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-05-2012, 04:30 PM
  #2
Richiebottles
S L O W | M A G I C
 
Richiebottles's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Country: United States
Posts: 11,298
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to Richiebottles
What do you want from MTL ?

Richiebottles is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
01-05-2012, 04:32 PM
  #3
Connor McDavid
Generational Poster
 
Connor McDavid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Country: Ras al-Khaimah
Posts: 12,079
vCash: 436
Quote:
Originally Posted by KingAvtsin View Post
What do you want from MTL ?
Probably something involving Eller or Leblanc. Pleks-Roy is pretty much a wash.

Connor McDavid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-05-2012, 04:38 PM
  #4
Connor McDavid
Generational Poster
 
Connor McDavid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Country: Ras al-Khaimah
Posts: 12,079
vCash: 436
Also note that last year's injury does not appear to be the cause of Roy's slower season.

Connor McDavid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-05-2012, 04:42 PM
  #5
PADevil3034
Mooooooooooooooooose
 
PADevil3034's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 3,603
vCash: 500
What would you want from NJ?

IIRC, both fan bases agreed to a Josefson+2nd for Stafford deal. Would Roy garner a similar return?

PADevil3034 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-05-2012, 04:42 PM
  #6
Frozen Failure
Best Threadkiller
 
Frozen Failure's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Richardson, TX
Country: Canada
Posts: 6,817
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to Frozen Failure Send a message via Yahoo to Frozen Failure
I think Dallas should be looking at Roy assuming they're in playoff position and Roy is actually on the block. I don't know what we would give up for him, though, as Buffalo will likely want the dog, cat, and the kitchen sink for him.

Frozen Failure is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-05-2012, 04:49 PM
  #7
ChiHawk21
Registered User
 
ChiHawk21's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 1,928
vCash: 500
the hawks would be EXTREMELY interested

ChiHawk21 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-05-2012, 04:50 PM
  #8
Connor McDavid
Generational Poster
 
Connor McDavid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Country: Ras al-Khaimah
Posts: 12,079
vCash: 436
Quote:
Originally Posted by njdevils3034 View Post
What would you want from NJ?

IIRC, both fan bases agreed to a Josefson+2nd for Stafford deal. Would Roy garner a similar return?
They'd push hard for Henrique given Roy's proven production, but given a rebuild Josefson+ could do it. Maybe Josefson and 1st for Roy+. All in all Roy's worth more to the Sabres than Staff.

What's Zajac's availability?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Frozen Failure View Post
I think Dallas should be looking at Roy assuming they're in playoff position and Roy is actually on the block. I don't know what we would give up for him, though, as Buffalo will likely want the dog, cat, and the kitchen sink for him.
Probably not good partners unless they were to mix some other players in.

Connor McDavid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-05-2012, 04:52 PM
  #9
Connor McDavid
Generational Poster
 
Connor McDavid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Country: Ras al-Khaimah
Posts: 12,079
vCash: 436
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiHawk21 View Post
the hawks would be EXTREMELY interested
One of Kruger/McNeill would need to be included, as well as maybe Pirri. Sabres would add a wing/defense prospect if necessary.


I could also seeing them go after Sharp as a goal-scoring upgrade, what would that take?

Connor McDavid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-05-2012, 04:55 PM
  #10
Frozen Failure
Best Threadkiller
 
Frozen Failure's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Richardson, TX
Country: Canada
Posts: 6,817
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to Frozen Failure Send a message via Yahoo to Frozen Failure
I'm cool with mixing other players in. Did you have an idea of who you wanted? Eriksson and Benn are 100% off the table, but pretty much everyone else can be gotten if the return is enough. Always players you don't want to move, ya know?

Frozen Failure is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-05-2012, 04:59 PM
  #11
DJENTLEMAN
INTJ
 
DJENTLEMAN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Massachusetts
Country: United States
Posts: 2,720
vCash: 500
Really don't understand why you'd be looking to move a guy like Roy when he's a good #2 center...

DJENTLEMAN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-05-2012, 05:02 PM
  #12
Connor McDavid
Generational Poster
 
Connor McDavid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Country: Ras al-Khaimah
Posts: 12,079
vCash: 436
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frozen Failure View Post
I'm cool with mixing other players in. Did you have an idea of who you wanted? Eriksson and Benn are 100% off the table, but pretty much everyone else can be gotten if the return is enough. Always players you don't want to move, ya know?
Yeah. It seems y'all have the same center problems the Sabres do . Perhaps something around Roy/Boyes/Pysyk for Ryder/1st/Chiasson? Idk.


Quote:
Originally Posted by MattAndersonBTR View Post
Really don't understand why you'd be looking to move a guy like Roy when he's a good #2 center...
I wouldn't go as far to say he's part of the problem that's plaguing the Sabres, but he's not the solution. It's time to move on.

Connor McDavid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-05-2012, 05:05 PM
  #13
pb1300
#CatsAreComing
 
pb1300's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Aiyio, Greece
Country: Greece
Posts: 11,192
vCash: 500
Send a message via Yahoo to pb1300
I wouldnt mind him on the Panthers, but I wouldnt like having two players (Weiss & Roy), who are both under six feet, as our top two centers.

pb1300 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
01-05-2012, 05:06 PM
  #14
Force951
Registered User
 
Force951's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Posts: 2,415
vCash: 500
Would something around Lydman+Holland for Roy+Bottom pair dman get it done?

Force951 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-05-2012, 05:08 PM
  #15
PADevil3034
Mooooooooooooooooose
 
PADevil3034's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 3,603
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan Ellis Problems View Post
They'd push hard for Henrique given Roy's proven production, but given a rebuild Josefson+ could do it. Maybe Josefson and 1st for Roy+. All in all Roy's worth more to the Sabres than Staff.

Whats Zajacs availability?
n.
I would be hesitant to give up our first, Zajac or Henrique at this point. Obviously, since you have to give to get, if you are now disinterested I completely understand. However, would you do a Josefson+2 2nds for Roy?

PADevil3034 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-05-2012, 05:13 PM
  #16
Gobo
What's Your Issue?
 
Gobo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Wild Rose Country
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,248
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Force951 View Post
Would something around Lydman+Holland for Roy+Bottom pair dman get it done?
Probably not.

Holland likely won't reach Roy's level. Maybe Etem + ?

Gobo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-05-2012, 05:15 PM
  #17
Force951
Registered User
 
Force951's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Posts: 2,415
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gobo View Post
Probably not.

Holland likely won't reach Roy's level. Maybe Etem + ?
Etem is the local boy and holds more value to the franchise because of that. Palmieri would be more likely to go.

Force951 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-05-2012, 05:16 PM
  #18
Connor McDavid
Generational Poster
 
Connor McDavid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Country: Ras al-Khaimah
Posts: 12,079
vCash: 436
Quote:
Originally Posted by pb1300 View Post
I wouldnt mind him on the Panthers, but I wouldnt like having two players (Weiss & Roy), who are both under six feet, as our top two centers.
You'd practically be Sabres South . Would Bjugstad be on the table?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Force951 View Post
Would something around Lydman+Holland for Roy+Bottom pair dman get it done?
I'm a big fan of Lydman. With some finessing on both sides (given the D-man) that's not a terrible deal assuming Holland develops well. Etem would be preferred, though.

Quote:
Originally Posted by njdevils3034 View Post
I would be hesitant to give up our first, Zajac or Henrique at this point. Obviously, since you have to give to get, if you are now disinterested I completely understand. However, would you do a Josefson+2 2nds for Roy?
Yeah, with some resignation. Three 2nds in this year's draft might be enough to couple with a top-10 first to get a lottery pick

Connor McDavid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-05-2012, 05:18 PM
  #19
HockeySensible
Smug Teuvo
 
HockeySensible's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Country: Canada
Posts: 15,004
vCash: 500
Michael Frolik, Brandon Pirri, Adam Clendening, 1st round pick... Andrew Brunette (Useless, but a UFA at the end of the year)

For

Derek Roy

HockeySensible is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-05-2012, 05:26 PM
  #20
GreatStateofHockey
Registered User
 
GreatStateofHockey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Country: United States
Posts: 1,338
vCash: 1175
Hear me out...

Roy
Ennis
1st 2012

for

Getzlaf

GreatStateofHockey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-05-2012, 05:29 PM
  #21
Frozen Failure
Best Threadkiller
 
Frozen Failure's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Richardson, TX
Country: Canada
Posts: 6,817
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to Frozen Failure Send a message via Yahoo to Frozen Failure
I don't really think I'd give up Chiasson for Roy OR Boyes right now, even with the inclusion of Pysyk. I'd give you a 3rd+depth contract for Boyes alone right now. I don't see why we would consider moving Ryder given that we just signed him and he's been doing a great job for us.

Frozen Failure is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-05-2012, 05:30 PM
  #22
thefifagod
I'm The Survivor
 
thefifagod's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 4,120
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheZibanejad View Post
Hear me out...

Roy
Ennis
1st 2012

for

Getzlaf
Sabres do this in a heartbeat. We'd add a prospect too if need be.

thefifagod is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-05-2012, 05:30 PM
  #23
Zip15
Registered User
 
Zip15's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 18,663
vCash: 326
Quote:
Originally Posted by HossTheBoss View Post
Michael Frolik, Brandon Pirri, Adam Clendening, 1st round pick... Andrew Brunette (Useless, but a UFA at the end of the year)

For

Derek Roy
We have offensive defensemen in spades in this organization, so Clendening would have little value to us. No value from Brunette, either. Frolik? Pass. Pirri is certainly a nice piece, though.

I've said it several times before, but I think Regier would want two of McNeill, Pirri, and Kruger, as well as a pick or mid-tier prospect like Beach. Obviously such a deal puts a dent in CHI's long-term center depth, but it gives them a high-end 2C for this season and next for (hopefully) two shots at a Cup.

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheZibanejad View Post
Hear me out...

Roy
Ennis
1st 2012

for

Getzlaf
You'd be hard pressed to find a Sabres fan who wouldn't do that deal.

Zip15 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-05-2012, 05:31 PM
  #24
Connor McDavid
Generational Poster
 
Connor McDavid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Country: Ras al-Khaimah
Posts: 12,079
vCash: 436
Quote:
Originally Posted by HossTheBoss View Post
Michael Frolik, Brandon Pirri, Adam Clendening, 1st round pick... Andrew Brunette (Useless, but a UFA at the end of the year)

For

Derek Roy
Pirri/Clen/1st garners interest, but Sabres would probably demand one of the big 2 center prospects.

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheZibanejad View Post
Hear me out...

Roy
Ennis
1st 2012

for

Getzlaf
Sabres are high on Ennis, but I think they have to take that.

Connor McDavid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-05-2012, 05:33 PM
  #25
Connor McDavid
Generational Poster
 
Connor McDavid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Country: Ras al-Khaimah
Posts: 12,079
vCash: 436
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frozen Failure View Post
I don't really think I'd give up Chiasson for Roy OR Boyes right now, even with the inclusion of Pysyk. I'd give you a 3rd+depth contract for Boyes alone right now. I don't see why we would consider moving Ryder given that we just signed him and he's been doing a great job for us.
I think the two are poor partners in this case. Sabres need good value from Roy, especially if they're not getting a center back.

Connor McDavid is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:58 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2015 All Rights Reserved.