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01-07-2012, 01:18 PM
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if they deal for Rutuu they could easily bring him back given Wolski is off the books and Drury's cap hit goes down nearly half I believe..........not to mention Feds, Avery ,EC off the books and rooks like a Kredier, Miller or Thomas can go for a spot
Really? Already with this? Just because we select a player in the FIRST round does not mean they will be ready to jump in to the NHL in 1 year.

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Honestly, while I am still very much in favor of trading for Bobby Ryan (IF you can do it for only one player off the current squad plus picks/prospects), I think it is becoming less and less likely to happen as this team continues to roll on. In fact, I think it's less and likely that we'll see any move that involves a player on the current squad other than the fringe guys like EC or maybe Wolski.

The one big variable I see is the upcoming game against Boston - that may go a long way towards shaping Sather's strategy come the deadline...

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01-07-2012, 02:19 PM
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Add me to the Ruutu bandwagon. I like AA but at this point in his career he's not producing enough to play first line lw.

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It essentially kills 2 birds with one stone, a top 6 lw and 3rd line center. Allows Boyle to play 4th line where he belongs and AA as 3rd line center adds depth down the middle

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01-07-2012, 02:28 PM
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Add me to the Ruutu bandwagon. I like AA but at this point in his career he's not producing enough to play first line lw.

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It essentially kills 2 birds with one stone, a top 6 lw and 3rd line center. Allows Boyle to play 4th line where he belongs and AA as 3rd line center adds depth down the middle
Agreed. Boyle does not produce enough offensively to be on the third line.

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01-07-2012, 02:28 PM
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I agree...how we fare in the Boston series will go a long way in determining what the team tries to do at the deadline.

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01-07-2012, 02:45 PM
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Add me to the Ruutu bandwagon. I like AA but at this point in his career he's not producing enough to play first line lw.

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It essentially kills 2 birds with one stone, a top 6 lw and 3rd line center. Allows Boyle to play 4th line where he belongs and AA as 3rd line center adds depth down the middle
AA is a very responsible defensive forward....if that gives Gabby more room to focus on offense then you don't mess with that...Step and Gabby focus on offense and AA focuses on defense...don't mess with success.

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01-07-2012, 02:54 PM
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I agree...how we fare in the Boston series will go a long way in determining what the team tries to do at the deadline.
Boston is much bigger than we are...thats why all these proposals of Whitney are just dumb...guy is very good player...but wrong for this team...we are a grinding team and it works...adding Ruutu makes sense....I would even go so far as to add a Staubitz, Moen, Glass, type player...Feds and Mitchell are good grinders...but these guys are grinders who can fight...you don't want your stars intimediate going up against the Bruins...that is why they are so successful...they outscore you and scare u at the same time.

I wonder what it would take to get Clowe..I think he is the perfect guy for this team.

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01-07-2012, 03:00 PM
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He means next year going forward, not this year...
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He wont play in the NHL this season.

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01-07-2012, 03:01 PM
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Clowe would be phenomenal but there is no chance SJ moves him.

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01-07-2012, 03:03 PM
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Boston is much bigger than we are...thats why all these proposals of Whitney are just dumb...guy is very good player...but wrong for this team...we are a grinding team and it works...adding Ruutu makes sense....I would even go so far as to add a Staubitz, Moen, Glass, type player...Feds and Mitchell are good grinders...but these guys are grinders who can fight...you don't want your stars intimediate going up against the Bruins...that is why they are so successful...they outscore you and scare u at the same time.

I wonder what it would take to get Clowe..I think he is the perfect guy for this team.
We are a grinding team, which is exactly why we need skill more than we need grit; for balance.

Krejci, Seguin, Peverley are not "grinders" in the traditional sense, and we just saw a finesse nucks team beat Boston.

Don't get me wrong, i'd like Ruutu as well. But Whitney, to put this in perspective, would be this teams leading scorer right now.

His 35 points would lead this team. That is really all that needs to be said.

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01-07-2012, 03:06 PM
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Clowe would be phenomenal but there is no chance SJ moves him.
agree with you on clowe. wonder what it would take

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Add me to the Ruutu bandwagon. I like AA but at this point in his career he's not producing enough to play first line lw.

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It essentially kills 2 birds with one stone, a top 6 lw and 3rd line center. Allows Boyle to play 4th line where he belongs and AA as 3rd line center adds depth down the middle
Sounds like a good plan to me. The only player I would like better is Shane Doan who is big, very physical and can still produce.

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01-07-2012, 03:13 PM
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AA is a very responsible defensive forward....if that gives Gabby more room to focus on offense then you don't mess with that...Step and Gabby focus on offense and AA focuses on defense...don't mess with success.
Step is very responsible defensively; in fact, he's probably our best two way forward.

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01-07-2012, 03:18 PM
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Clowe would be phenomenal but there is no chance SJ moves him.
I would die for Clowe but he isn't going anywhere.

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Sounds like a good plan to me. The only player I would like better is Shane Doan who is big, very physical and can still produce.

As Bobbop has pointed out before, it's very unlikely Phoenix moves Doan, and the price will be high. Ruutu, OTOH, is a pending UFA on a team not currently in the playoff picture. The price for such a forward is usually a 2nd and B-type prospect.

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01-07-2012, 03:21 PM
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Step is very responsible defensively; in fact, he's probably our best two way forward.
I still think that one falls to Callahan.

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I still think that one falls to Callahan.
Agreed.

Stepan is very good though, but he still has his issues.

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As Bobbop has pointed out before, it's very unlikely Phoenix moves Doan, and the price will be high. Ruutu, OTOH, is a pending UFA on a team not currently in the playoff picture. The price for such a forward is usually a 2nd and B-type prospect.
Ruutu by far makes the most sense.

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01-07-2012, 04:12 PM
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obviously this wouldn't be needed if we got ruutu and pushed AA back to center...but another potential rental that i'll throw out there just to see what everyone thinks is jarret stoll (if kings fall out of it).

he's a ufa at the end of the year, not having a good year but he scored 20 goals last year and he's a beast on faceoffs (56.1% this year, 57.5% last year).

i wouldn't give up alot for him, but he could add some skill to our bottom 6 and give us a go-to faceoff specialist for big draws so something to consider??

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01-07-2012, 06:49 PM
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your absurd defense of woywitka is laughable. woywitka couldve been had for nothing if he was THAT. impressive at the start of the season and now hes a key piece in a deal for one the better young players in the game. when is it safe to declare insanity?....YAWN bern YAWN per the usual. get some thicker skin and stop being so sensitive. you should be used to criticism by now.

great win tonight for the rangers
your absurd defense of woywitka is laughable.
No, it is not. You are laughing at your own joke.

woywitka couldve been had for nothing if he was THAT. impressive at the start of the season
Beyond moot to irrelevant.
While he still has his defects, he has played well generally and provided toughness.

and now hes a key piece in a deal for one the better young players in the game.
Your words not mine.
I simply said that as noted, Fowler plays like a creampuff, so they could use some toughness if it is cheap enough. This is such a fit.

when is it safe to declare insanity?.....
They say there at least can be, if not actually is, a fine line between genius and insanity.
You have demonstrated to us all that while you accuse others without good reason, you are sometimes deprived of reason yourself. Guess we needn't worry about you tripping over that line.

YAWN bern YAWN per the usual. get some thicker skin and stop being so sensitive. you should be used to criticism by now.
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Anyone criticizes any suggestion of mine, if it is done properly with corresponding explanation and not a personal attack, I welcome their right of free speech. And the ensuing debate of the facts or ideas behind any such postings is what makes for good debate and for us to all share and enjoy this forum.
99% of the time, my critics fit into this category, along with my supporters.
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I do NOT have to tolerate your guff.
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I am not the only one; someone else has openly said they just "ignore" your posts from long ago.
I can ignore you, but I prefer to make you understand, this kind of discourtesy to a fellow poster, without provocation particularly, is very distasteful, not to mention a violation of the rules as to trolling if not otherwise. Others may be too timid to give you a comeuppance, but for the meeker posters even more than for myself, I have given you this final warning.

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great win tonight for the rangers

It was!
I am very happy the team is winning.
I am just thinking aloud, as well all are, on what are all our options.
Some would throw everything just for this Cup run, others wish to build to have an even stronger position in the next and immediately succeeding years.

I hope the team is successful this year, but I am also hopeful that as a team like the Black Hawks sheds excess cap weight (like Campbell) and trades well to set up good draft additions (Olsen, Clendemming, Saad, McNeil), I am hopeful we will be able to keep pace, because our new success will not entitle us to a good draft position. Thinking aloud to whether or not there is any possiblity of having our cake and eating it too is not inherently foolish or disloyal; whether or not such strategy can be useful requires trying to imagine if such a construct can be created or not, which is still an open question.

Hoping for the best, everyone. Good luck to this team, whatever its incarnation
Let's go Rangers

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01-07-2012, 07:21 PM
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A lot of assumptions that NYR will land Ruutu . I'm sure just about every playoff team going into the deadline will be looking for a physical winger with 20 -25 goal scoring potential

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Ruutu AND Whitney?

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WE WANT THE CUP!

Seriously though, either or when it comes to Ruutu or Whitney and i'll be happy.

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A lot of assumptions that NYR will land Ruutu . I'm sure just about every playoff team going into the deadline will be looking for a physical winger with 20 -25 goal scoring potential
Don't think we are assuming as much as hoping, and feel its a fit.

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The Ruutu trade might be more likely now with the rejection of the new conference alignment. Possibly when the 4 conferences were going to happen the Canes may have been hesitant to deal Ruutu to the Rangers, now those hesitations can somewhat disappear.

It's a good idea...but with this team and the more than apparent chemistry they have I think we'd see more of a lateral move. Ruutu would probably cost a player from the roster to go back to Carolina. Unless Rutherford goes for a deal with Zuccarello, prospects, and draft picks involved.

LW may be our most apparent hole...but with Dubinsky finding his game again the Rangers are essentially adding a 20 goal scorer to the mix without giving anything up.

I think it'll be really interesting to see what kind of position Slats takes at the deadline.

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Yeah im with you Ruutu would be a good depth move and less likely to gut the team ala Potential Bobby Ryan sweepstakes

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