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What single year had the highest individual talent level?

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01-06-2012, 02:28 PM
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What single year had the highest individual talent level?

Like, 2011's elite talent, as a team could be:

Ovechkin - Crosby - Jagr
Parise - Malkin - Selanne
The Sedins - Alfredsson
Hossa - Stamkos - St. Louis

Lidstrom - Pronger
Chara - Weber
Keith - Letang

Brodeur
Thomas

I'm wondering what teams would be the best or most noteworthy

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01-06-2012, 02:34 PM
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Alfredsson? St.Louis??

There are many players that are topping them this year. I also don't think we can include Sid in there.

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Alfredsson? St.Louis??

There are many players that are topping them this year. I also don't think we can include Sid in there.
Just in terms of star power, like how good the players are. Like, I would include Gordie Howe in the 1980 team.

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01-06-2012, 03:09 PM
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Based on the discussions we've had recently, somewhere in the mid-90s is probably going to be this board's answer.

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01-06-2012, 04:20 PM
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Based on the discussions we've had recently, somewhere in the mid-90s is probably going to be this board's answer.
Yup, easily.

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01-06-2012, 04:45 PM
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I would say 1995-96.

Centermen : Lemieux, Sakic, Messier, Forsberg, Lindros, Francis, Fedorov, Gretzky, Nedved (this season was very deep in centermen talent and players like Damphousse, Lafontaine even Turgeon had very good years)

Right Wing : Jagr, Mogilny, Selanne, Fleury, Bondra, Shanahan, Hull, Palfy

Left Wing : Karyia, Tkachuk, Leclair...

Defense : Leetch, Chelios, Bourque, Lidstrom, Zubov, Coffey, Gonchar, MacInnis, Blake...

Goaltending : Hasek, Roy, Brodeur, Fuhr, Hextall, Potvin, Barasso, Ranford, Vanbiesbrouck, Belfour, Vernon, Osgood, Carey...


This is an impressive list. I doubt any other year beats this one.

You had stars that were stars in the 80.s 90's and some are still stars now such as Lidstrom, Jagr and Selanne.

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01-06-2012, 05:15 PM
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66-67

Hull - Mikita - Howe
Bucyk - Esposito - Gilbert
Cournoyer - Beliveau - Richard
Mahovlich - Keon - Ratelle

Orr - Harvey
Pilote - Kelly
Savard/Howell - Horton

Sawchuk
Bower
Crozier

That is the correct answer.

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66-67

Hull - Mikita - Howe
Bucyk - Esposito - Gilbert
Cournoyer - Beliveau - Richard
Mahovlich - Keon - Ratelle

Orr - Harvey
Pilote - Kelly
Savard/Howell - Horton

Sawchuk
Bower
Crozier

That is the correct answer.
Another good candidate

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Bobby Orr's last season has great center depth, but I just wish it was a year later so I could add Gretzky and Messier. I still had to ignore a few HoFers anyway:

Bob Gainey - Stan Mikita - Guy Lafleur
Steve Shutt - Phil Esposito - Mike Bossy
Clark Gillies - Bryan Trottier - Lanny McDonald
Bill Barber - Bobby Clarke - Reggie Leach

Bobby Orr - Dennis Potvin
Larry Robinson - Brad Park
Borje Salming - Serge Savard

Ken Dryden
Tony Esposito

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Bobby Orr's last season has great center depth, but I just wish it was a year later so I could add Gretzky and Messier. I still had to ignore a few HoFers anyway:

Bob Gainey - Stan Mikita - Guy Lafleur
Steve Shutt - Phil Esposito - Mike Bossy
Clark Gillies - Bryan Trottier - Lanny McDonald
Bill Barber - Bobby Clarke - Reggie Leach

Bobby Orr - Dennis Potvin
Larry Robinson - Brad Park
Borje Salming - Serge Savard

Ken Dryden
Tony Esposito
Nice team. I had the same problem. If I could jump ahead 2 years I would have Tony Esposito and Bernie Parent available in goal but lose Pilote and Red Kelly.

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1954-55

Olmstead - Beliveau - Richard
Lindsay - Delvecchio - Howe
Moore - Kennedy - Geoffrion
Watson - Schmidt - Bathgate

Harvey - Kelly
Provonost - Gadsby
Quackenbush - Stanley

Sawchuk
Plante

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Martin Brodeur would be no where near 2011-2012's team.

1992-1993 is an interesting year to look at because--as far as I know--it was the highest scoring in league history.

These were the All-Star teams at the time -

1st Team:

LW Luc Robataille (63 G, 125 pts)
C Mario Lemieux (60 gp, 69 g, 160 pts)
RW Teemu Selanne (76 g, 132 pts)
D Chris Chelios (73 pts, 282 pim)
D Ray Bourque (63 a, 82 pts)
G Ed Belfour (41 w, 7 so)

2nd Team:

LW Kevin Stevens (55 g, 111 pts)
C Pat LaFontaine (95 a, 148 pts)
RW Alexander Mogliny (76 g, 127 pts)
D Al IaFrate (25 g, 169 pim)
D Larry Murphy (85 pts, +45)
G Tom Barrasso (43 w, 4 so)

Rookie Team:

LW Joe Juneau (70 a, 102 pts)
C Eric Lindros (41 g, 75 pts)
RW Teemu Selanne (above)
D Scott Neidermayer (29 a, 40 pts)
D Vladimir Malakhov (38 a, 52 pts)
G Felix Potvin (25 W, 2 SO)

Adam Oates (97 a), Phil Housley (79 a), and Doug Gilmour (95 a) put up numbers that might win them the Hart trophy in today's NHL, but weren't named 1st or 2nd team All-Stars.

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Bobby Orr's last season has great center depth, but I just wish it was a year later so I could add Gretzky and Messier. I still had to ignore a few HoFers anyway:

Bob Gainey - Stan Mikita - Guy Lafleur
Steve Shutt - Phil Esposito - Mike Bossy
Clark Gillies - Bryan Trottier - Lanny McDonald
Bill Barber - Bobby Clarke - Reggie Leach

Bobby Orr - Dennis Potvin
Larry Robinson - Brad Park
Borje Salming - Serge Savard

Ken Dryden
Tony Esposito
Weak on the wings. bring Howe & Hull over from the WHA.

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1992-1993 is an interesting year to look at because--as far as I know--it was the highest scoring in league history.
Highest scoring in total goals due to 84 game schedule and expansions. Every season in the 80's had higher scoring per game.

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Martin Brodeur would be no where near 2011-2012's team.
I don't know what's so hard to understand what this thread is about.

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I don't know what's so hard to understand what this thread is about.
It's supposed to be about pure talent, which clearly Brodeur no longer is.

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It's supposed to be about pure talent, which clearly Brodeur no longer is.
Read the third post. The OP clarified what he was asking for.

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It's supposed to be about pure talent, which clearly Brodeur no longer is.
Imagine anyone who played that year, at their peak.

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Then I'll say 1995-1996, as someone alluded to:

Lindros - Gretzky - Yzerman
Fedorov - Lemieux - Jagr
Fleury - Messier - Selanne
Forsberg - Sakic - Bure

Bourque - Chelios
Lidstrom - MacInnis
Leetch - Pronger

Roy
Brodeur
Hasek

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I think of years where there was a lot of players right in their prime. To me I immediately think of these years: 1976 is the first one and most of these guys were on the Canada Cup roster:

1976:
Barber-Clarke-Lafleur
Martin-Perreault-Robert
Gainey-Dionne-Leach
Hull-Sittler-McDonald

Orr-Potvin
Park-Lapointe
Savard-Robinson
Salming

Dryden
Parent
Vachon

WOW! Had to drag Hull over from the WHA on that one though. Couldn't even find room at center for Ratelle or Esposito.

1993 is another great year as someone mentioned. Also 1996 is a season very 1980s like when it came to scoring, a lot of top level point getters.

No one mentioned 1991 yet, so.........

Robitaille-Gretzky-Hull
Stevens-Lemieux-Recchi
Tikannen-Yzerman-Neely
Shanahan-Oates-Fleury

Bourque-MacInnis
Chelios-Coffey
Leetch-Stevens
Housley

Roy
Belfour


How about 2007?

Ovechkin-Crosby-Heatley
Kovalchuk-Thornton-St Louis
Sedin-Lecavalier-Hossa
Zetterberg-Sakic-Iginla

Lidstrom-Pronger
Niedermayer-Boyle
Gonchar-Phaneuf

Brodeur
Luongo

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I think of years where there was a lot of players right in their prime. To me I immediately think of these years: 1976 is the first one and most of these guys were on the Canada Cup roster:

1976:
Barber-Clarke-Lafleur
Martin-Perreault-Robert
Gainey-Dionne-Leach
Hull-Sittler-McDonald

Orr-Potvin
Park-Lapointe
Savard-Robinson
Salming

Dryden
Parent
Vachon

WOW! Had to drag Hull over from the WHA on that one though. Couldn't even find room at center for Ratelle or Esposito.
Orr doesn't belong there, not really at least. After 1975 he only played 36 more games over the next 4 seasons. Wasn't exactly Orr in his prime.

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Orr doesn't belong there, not really at least. After 1975 he only played 36 more games over the next 4 seasons. Wasn't exactly Orr in his prime.
When healthy he still dominated, even if it wasn't that many games post 1975. I think the 1976 Canada Cup proves this that when he was healthy he was still the best in the game. I couldn't leave Orr off the list based on that

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Then I'll say 1995-1996, as someone alluded to:

Lindros - Gretzky - Yzerman
Fedorov - Lemieux - Jagr
Fleury - Messier - Selanne
Forsberg - Sakic - Bure

Bourque - Chelios
Lidstrom - MacInnis
Leetch - Pronger

Roy
Brodeur
Hasek
Gretzky scored over 100 Pts that season but he was clearly not a top 5 center that season. Sakic, Francis, Lindros and Lemieux all outscored and so did Fedorov.

Francis should be on your list and not Bure. Bure was not even a top 5 right wing that season.

You should check out the top 10 in scoring for that season.

Lemieux and Jagr were clearly head and shoulders over everyone else that season. Their 149 Pts and 161 Pts were dominant. The 2 most dominant seasons of the 90's in my mind.

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Gretzky scored over 100 Pts that season but he was clearly not a top 5 center that season. Sakic, Francis, Lindros and Lemieux all outscored and so did Fedorov.
The tread is about talent, Gretzky had more talent than anyone in that list except maybe Lemieux.

With this in mind:
Just in terms of star power, like how good the players are. Like, I would include Gordie Howe in the 1980 team.

No single year that Wayne played (or Mario) would not see them in the team.

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85-86

Was thinking 84-85 but sacrificed Lafleur for Roy. Also thinking 80-81 to get pieces from the Oilers, Isles, Habs and Flyers Cup teams, but thought Lemieux/Yzerman/Roy was worth the wait even if Lafleur, Clarke, Savard and Lapointe are gone.

Lemieux Gretzky Kurri
Messier Yzerman Gilmour
Gainey Trottier Bossy
Hawerchuk Stastny Dionne
Savard

Bourque Coffey
Robinson Potvin
Stevens Langway
Chelios

Roy
Fuhr
B. Smith

I don't think Bossy's worse than a guy out of position, but for the sake of creating lines he goes where he is. There's a Super line, a 90s 2-way forward line, an Isles dynasty line with Gainey from the Habs dynasty replacing Gillies, and assorted big name 80s scorers with star power.

D-men are stacked and goalies have plenty of star power and each has 4 Cups as starters. Everyone but the 4th line and Langway are top notch playoff performers. And even then it's not like they were bad in the playoffs, there's just a ridiculosly high bar.

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