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Phoenix XLII: The Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe & Everything

The story thus far:

Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the western spiral arm of the galaxy lies a small, unregarded yellow sun. Orbiting this at a distance of roughly 92 million miles is an utterly insignificant little blue-green planet whose ape-descended life forms are so amazingly primitive that they still think digital watches are southern expansion was a pretty neat idea.

Billions of years ago, a race of hyper-intelligent, pan-dimensional beings commissioned the construction of the planet Earth to answer the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything - just how in the hell is that Phoenix thing going to end?

Sadly, moments before it had the answer, the Earth was demolished by Gary Bettman to make way for a hyperspace bypass ... (the Canadian edition).

12-08-2008 Hockey in The Desert (Phoenix franchise and finance/business matters)
02-04-2009 Hockey in the Desert II (Phoenix Coyotes franchise and business matters)

05-05-2009 Balsillie puts in $212.5 mil offer for the Coyotes
05-07-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part II
05-18-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part III
05-22-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part IV
06-03-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part V
06-09-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part VI
06-12-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part VII: I'm just waitin' on a judge
06-16-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part VIII: It's dead, Jim
06-24-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part IX: 'Dorf on Hockey
07-25-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part X: The Truth? You Can't Handle The Truth!
08-03-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XI: A Fistful of Dollars?
08-07-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XII: For a Few Dollars More
08-12-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XIII: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly
08-21-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XIV: The Wrath of Baum
08-27-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XV - SITREP: SNAFU
09-02-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XVI: Barbarian at the Gate
09-08-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XVII: Wake Me Up When September Ends
09-10-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XVIII: Is that a pale horse in the distance?
09-12-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy Part XIX: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Baum
09-21-2009 Phoenix Bankruptcy Part XX: There Will Be Baum
09-28-2009 Phoenix Bankruptcy Part XXI: 2009 -- A Sports Odyssey
10-26-2009 Phoenix Bankruptcy Part XXII: Long and winding road
11-24-2009 Keeping up with potential owners for NHL Phoenix Coyotes (UPD: Ice Edge signs LOI)
03-14-2010 Part II. Potential owners of NHL's Phoenix Coyotes
03-26-2010 Part III. Prospective Owners - Phoenix Coyotes (UPD Lease vote 4/13; IEH signs MOU)
04-10-2010 Part IV Phoenix Coyotes post bankrtuptcy; UPD COG approves Reinsdorf MOU, not IEH MOU
05-02-2010 Part V Phoenix Coyotes post bankruptcy UPD Reinsdorf out? IEH back in? else Winnipeg?
05-11-2010 Part VI Phoenix Coyotes post bankruptcy
05-23-2010 Part VII Phoenix Coyotes post bankrtuptcy
06-07-2010 Part VIII: Phoenix Coyotes Post-bankrtuptcy
06-22-2010 Part IX: Phoenix Coyotes Post-bankruptcy UPD: Pres Moss fired 6/30 with IEH input
07-26-2010 Part X: Phoenix Coyotes - Between Scylla and Charybdis
08-27-2010 Part XI: Phoenix Coyotes -- Greetings, Starfighter, You have been selected ...
09-16-2010 Part XII: Phx Coyotes - Still haven't found what I'm looking for
10-12-2010 Part XIII: Phoenix Coyotes - The Final Cut?
10-27-2010 Part XIV: Phoenix Coyotes - To Infinity And Beyond....
12-05-2010 Part XV: Phoenix - the battle of evermore
12-14-2010 Part XVI: Phoenix -- Money for Nothing
12-20-2010 Part XVII: Phoenix -- Thread Title Available For Lease
01-09-2011 Part XVIII: Phoenix -- Imminence Front
01-24-2011 Phoenix XIXth: Nervous Breakdown
02-02-2011 Phoenix XX: Two weeks
02-11-2011 Phoenix XXI: When will then be now?
02-22-2011 Phoenix XXII: It's Now or Never
02-28-2011 Phoenix XXIII - Bond: The Phoenix Project
03-03-2011 Phoenix XXIV: How many twists does the scriptwriter have left?
03-07-2011 Phoenix XXV: Anyone in the theatre seen a pale horse?
03-08-2011 Phoenix XXVI: Pain in the AZ
03-11-2011 Phoenix XXVII: Can we all get along?
03-16-2011 Phoenix XXVIII: Lawyers, Bonds and Money
03-20-2011 Phoenix XXIX: What's the next act? I'm tired of the dog & pony show
03-22-2011 Phoenix Part XXX Hulz, you gotta get a gimmick if you want to get ahead
03-27-2011 Phoenix Part XXXI: I feel I'm in a time loop
04-05-2011 Phoenix Part XXXII: Bridge over Troubled Goldwater
04-14-2011 Phoenix XXXIII: Sound of Silence
04-20-2011 Phoenix XXXIV: Project Mayhem
04-25-2011 Phoenix XXXV: Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave...
05-03-2011 Phoenix XXXVI - There's got to be a morning after
05-10-2011 Phoenix XXXVII - The Heat is On

Followed by the Interregnum between Kings Phoenix the XXXVII-th and Phoenix the XXXVIII-th:

[PYTHON]
The most interesting thing about King Charles, the first
Is that he was 5 foot 6 inches tall at the start of his reign
But only 4 foot 8 inches tall at the end of it because of
Oliver Cromwell, Lord Protector of England Puritan
Born in 1599 and died in 1658 September
[/PYTHON]

06-09-2011 ESPN's Burnside: Hulsizer submitted new deal; COG city manager dragging it out
06-20-2011 Coyotes related: Westgate faces foreclosure
06-21-2011 Phoenix, worst case scenario

Finally, the realm was restored ...

06-27-2011 Phoenix XXXVIII: Hulsizer Pulls Bid For Coyotes
08-16-2011 Phoenix XXXIX: You Never Give Me Your Money
10-18-2011 Phoenix XL: Rich Man's World
12-07-2011 Phoenix XLI: Bongo Fury
01-06-2012 Phoenix XLII: The Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe and Everything


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42, the question is what is the question.

And I want a digital watch.

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Wow, that was a wild weekend. Who expected all that to happen?



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Wow, that was a wild weekend. Who expected all that to happen?
Ya. I just love GB's Deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by... oh, and another thing;
have you ever noticed that the only thing capable of traveling faster than the Speed of Light is Bad News?.

Why is that?.:

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the good news is the HFBboards consortium would have more liquidity and net worth than Ice Edge Holdings group and that group was entertained by the NHL for a cup of coffee at least so why not us.

I could help out with concessions and food service if you are looking for help. Haven't plied my trade in this exact niche (although I might be tendering a proposal soon for a similar venture) but I have disappointed tens of thousands of customers with my below average offerings over the years so I think I would be uniquely qualified for the job.

May I throw RR's hat in the ring for special agent in charge of community and corporate relations and membership drive. I am thinking some of the local boys could beat the bushes to drive revenue in advertising sponsorship and season tickets

first thing we do is secure the Winter Classic and make it the first warm weather classic and we do it in that 100 million dollar parking lot outside.......we call it "Bikini's on ice" and get all the former owners to show up at the puck drop ceremony in an ode to the past moment!!

it’s got legs girls.......we're almost home!!

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Things once looked so good.

A little bit of travel back in time if you will.

The Ultimate Question of Life- the Pre-quel

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"They (the Coyotes) will be appreciated here," Scruggs said. "The enthusiasm and loyalty of West Valley residents is unparalleled anywhere."

"We'll be at every game, if we can afford it," said Glendale resident Jane Wistern. "It's about time the west side got its due."

"It's great to be in hockey country," said Gary Bettman, commissioner of the National Hockey League. "There is really no place else we'd rather be. Arizona is a great state for sports."


Ellman basked in the spotlight's glow, and chided critics who questioned whether an $800 million commercial center built around a $180 million publicly funded hockey arena will succeed at Glendale Avenue and Loop 101.

"Ten years from today, I expect people will be saying, 'Why did they build an arena in the middle of a city?' " Ellman said.
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It took Scottsdale two years to work on this deal and Glendale did it in one month. How could it work so fast in Glendale?

The deal in Scottsdale was very different from Glendale’s
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http://hockey.ballparks.com/NHL/Phoe...s/articles.htm


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"Our negotiations with the city were never about building a Stanley Cup contender," said Steve Ellman, a real estate mogul who assembled the ownership group that purchased the team three years ago. "While winning it all may be our desire, (the city was) looking at this as a financial transaction. They agreed to put up $180 million and we've essentially agreed to help build them a city."
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"We are not putting all our hopes and all of our money into Coyotes hockey," Scruggs said. "We basically had a blank canvas and we've chosen to use the sports world to help us develop hundreds of acres of land."

City officials estimate the arena will more than pay for itself and even greater profits will be realized with the Westgate development. The Coyotes will pay at least $20 million rent during their 30-year lease and sales taxes from tickets, concessions and suites are predicted to bring in $43 million. The big money generator is parking, which officials figure will generate more than $130 million in revenue for the city over the life of the Coyotes' contract.

"We did not structure this deal as an isolated deal," said Art Lynch, Glendale's chief financial officer. "So the focus isn't going to be on one isolated piece. It's not like if the Coyotes don't win and the retail areas are successful, residents will say that the city of Glendale failed."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=1693100



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Those quotes are golden.

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I have been hoping for the last one to end so that this amazing title could be used.

I honestly think we did what the mice were unable to do. Find the answer as the why 42 the ultimate answer to life, the universe and everything.

It is the number of threads it takes to find out the answer to the Coyotes ownership situation...

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"It's great to be in hockey country," said Gary Bettman, commissioner of the National Hockey League.


this might be the most absurd quote gary bettman has ever said


and if parking is so lucrative why havent they been charging for it all these years?

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In hindsight I will speculate that the COG might have wanted to do a feasability study.

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March 2001 - Glendale Mayor Elaine Scruggs (pictured) talks with a lawyer who, in passing, asks if Glendale would be interested in the Phoenix Coyotes. Wheels are put in motion.

April 2001 - The Glendale City Council unanimously approves a preliminary $180 million arena deal with the Coyotes hockey team, which dumped Scottsdale after an acrimonious 2 1/2-year odyssey to build at the former Los Arcos Mall.
When the wheels appear to be grinding to a halt and crickets are heard in the desert re-reading the past is enlightening.

History of Westgate City Center in Glendale

http://www.azcentral.com/community/g...line-prog.html

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In hindsight I will speculate that the COG might have wanted to do a feasability study.



When the wheels appear to be grinding to a halt and crickets are heard in the desert re-reading the past is enlightening.

History of Westgate City Center in Glendale

http://www.azcentral.com/community/g...line-prog.html
Reading that really opens my eyes to how bad the entire arena/Coyotes/westgate situation from virtually everyone who lay their hands on it.

Building the arena to lure the Coyotes was the first in a series of disastrous decisions for the city and the team.

A lot of people (including the taxpayers) will have lost a lot of money on this debacle. A small number of people, I'm sure, have made out like bandits.

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People will look back on July 24 and say that huge steps were made in Glendale (annexing 233 acres for the hockey arena)
No, people will look back on that day and say what a bunch of retards

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The answer is 42 but Buttman is asking what is 9 times 6. and is confused.

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I have my towel, but honestly, this seems more of a Monty Python movie than Hitchhiker's Guide.

Edit - you beat me to it!

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In hindsight I will speculate that the COG might have wanted to do a feasability study.



When the wheels appear to be grinding to a halt and crickets are heard in the desert re-reading the past is enlightening.

History of Westgate City Center in Glendale

http://www.azcentral.com/community/g...line-prog.html
Amazing chain of events:


March 2001 - Glendale Mayor Elaine Scruggs (pictured) talks with a lawyer who, in passing, asks if Glendale would be interested in the Phoenix Coyotes. Wheels are put in motion.

April 2001 - The Glendale City Council unanimously approves a preliminary $180 million arena deal with the Coyotes hockey team, which dumped Scottsdale after an acrimonious 2 1/2-year odyssey to build at the former Los Arcos Mall.

All that planning and thought put into the deal, and to think they could possibly be in the situation they are in today.

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Actually, it appears to the opposite. We are only presuming that the NHL considers Jamison to be "entrenched". Perhaps that is not the case, privately. Meanwhile, it has been clear for some time that the NHL has an entrenched interest in Reinsdorf, and the COG seems to continue to seek deals with other groups. So there is at least some indication that they are not on the same page. I remember when COG signed an exclusive negotiating agreement with IEH and Reinsdorf bowed out in June 2010; Bettman and the NHL reacted as though they were rather ticked and uninterested in the COG negotiations with IEH. By September the IEH bid had fallen to pieces and they moved on to Hulsizer, who appears to have the same problem; his ambition exceeds his grasp.
Dunno Whileeee....

Just how entrenched is the NHL with JR? Other than Gary Bettman attempting to deliver an offer from him the day Moyes tossed the team under the BK bus, we really haven't seen any connection between them.

The answer is neither one of us knows. But your theory about it is certainly a plausible one.

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Things once looked so good.

A little bit of travel back in time if you will.

The Ultimate Question of Life- the Pre-quel

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"We are not putting all our hopes and all of our money into Coyotes hockey," Scruggs said.
Really? She paints a different picture these days. Arena closing leads to aliens eating the brains of the children or some such thing.

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Things once looked so good.

A little bit of travel back in time if you will.

The Ultimate Question of Life- the Pre-quel


http://hockey.ballparks.com/NHL/Phoe...s/articles.htm






http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=1693100

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Amazing chain of events:


March 2001 - Glendale Mayor Elaine Scruggs (pictured) talks with a lawyer who, in passing, asks if Glendale would be interested in the Phoenix Coyotes. Wheels are put in motion.

April 2001 - The Glendale City Council unanimously approves a preliminary $180 million arena deal with the Coyotes hockey team, which dumped Scottsdale after an acrimonious 2 1/2-year odyssey to build at the former Los Arcos Mall.

All that planning and thought put into the deal, and to think they could possibly be in the situation they are in today.
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Really? She paints a different picture these days. Arena closing leads to aliens eating the brains of the children or some such thing.
Just, WOW!

Can you imagine how a candidate running against her for mayor could use these quotes as a foundation for his/her campaign?

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42, the question is what is the question.
The question is.... how many months will the NHL be in control of the Phoenix Coyotes?

The ultimate answer to the ultimate question is 42.

In the documents filed with the Phoenix bankruptcy court, the NHL stated that the league took official control of the team on November 14, 2008. Fast forward 42 months, and that gives up a date of May 14, 2012, as to when the NHL will give up control of the club regardless of it staying in Glendale or not.

See, even the universe wants this to end.

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"We are not putting all our hopes and all of our money into Coyotes hockey," Scruggs said. "We basically had a blank canvas and we've chosen to use the sports world to help us develop hundreds of acres of land."

City officials estimate the arena will more than pay for itself and even greater profits will be realized with the Westgate development. The Coyotes will pay at least $20 million rent during their 30-year lease and sales taxes from tickets, concessions and suites are predicted to bring in $43 million. The big money generator is parking, which officials figure will generate more than $130 million in revenue for the city over the life of the Coyotes' contract.

"We did not structure this deal as an isolated deal," said Art Lynch, Glendale's chief financial officer. "So the focus isn't going to be on one isolated piece. It's not like if the Coyotes don't win and the retail areas are successful, residents will say that the city of Glendale failed."
I love these old quotes.

Even way back when, the Coyotes were only expected to bring in $193 million for the city over a 30 year period. That flimsy "evidence" was good enough for the COG to sink $180 million into building an arena (with hundreds of millions more in costs relating to bond interest). No wonder this thing was a miserable failure. At best, they would have lost millions of dollars on the deal, even if people did go to the games and pay for parking.

And it seems all along the city owned the rights for the parking, not the team.

How have these people managed to stay in office so long?

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The question is.... how many months will the NHL be in control of the Phoenix Coyotes?

The ultimate answer to the ultimate question is 42.

In the documents filed with the Phoenix bankruptcy court, the NHL stated that the league took official control of the team on November 14, 2008. Fast forward 42 months, and that gives up a date of May 14, 2012, as to when the NHL will give up control of the club regardless of it staying in Glendale or not.

See, even the universe wants this to end.
Woah dude, you just blew my mind... You Hoopy Frood you!

Well, I guess I'll help the league (in their role as arena managers) fill a few dates to minimize their losses this year. Here's the CV on a band they can look at booking (there is such a treasure trove of good stuff in Hitchikers to mine in this thread )

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Disaster Area, a plutonium rock band from the Gagrakacka Mind Zones, are generally regarded as not only the loudest rock band in the Galaxy, but also as being the loudest noise of any kind at all. Regular concert goers judge that the best sound balance is usually to be heard from within large concrete bunkers some thirty-seven miles away from the stage, whilst the musicians themselves play their instruments by remote control from within a heavily insulated spaceship which stays in orbit around the planet - or more frequently around a completely different planet.

Their songs are on the whole very simple and mostly follow the familiar theme of boy-being meets girl-being beneath silvery moon, which then explodes for no adequately explored reason.

Many worlds have now banned their act altogether, sometimes for artistic reasons, but most commonly because the band's public address system contravenes local strategic arms limitations treaties.

This has not, however, stopped their earnings from pushing back the boundaries of hypermathematics, and their chief research accountant has recently been appointed Professor of Neomathematics at the University of Maximegalon, in recognition of both his General and his Special Theories of Disaster Area Tax Returns, in which he proves that the whole fabric of the space-time continuum is not merely curve, it is in fact totally bent.

Disaster Area are fronted by Hotblack Desiato.

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Quote from the Mayor for the CoG on Dec 30 2011.

http://www.yourwestvalley.com/topsto...871e3ce6c.html

“Certainly a large disappointment for Glendale in 2011 is that the NHL has not settled on a buyer for the Phoenix Coyotes,” she said. “Resolving that issue is a major goal for 2012 but it is one that the City of Glendale cannot accomplish alone.”

So according to the Mayor, this is where we are stuck at.... the NHL and the potential buyers can't agree on a price? Nevermind negotiating a new lease with the CoG.

“A buyer must present an offer to the National Hockey League, which owns the team,” she said. “The NHL must approve that buyer’s offer and vote to sell them the team. The buyer must also be able to negotiate financially sound terms for the maintenance and use of the city-owned Jobing.com Arena and a majority of the Glendale City Council members must vote to enter into a lease agreement with the buyer selected by the NHL.”

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Quote from the Mayor for the CoG on Dec 30 2011.

http://www.yourwestvalley.com/topsto...871e3ce6c.html

“Certainly a large disappointment for Glendale in 2011 is that the NHL has not settled on a buyer for the Phoenix Coyotes,” she said. “Resolving that issue is a major goal for 2012 but it is one that the City of Glendale cannot accomplish alone.”

So according to the Mayor, this is where we are stuck at.... the NHL and the potential buyers can't agree on a price? Nevermind negotiating a new lease with the CoG.

“A buyer must present an offer to the National Hockey League, which owns the team,” she said. “The NHL must approve that buyer’s offer and vote to sell them the team. The buyer must also be able to negotiate financially sound terms for the maintenance and use of the city-owned Jobing.com Arena and a majority of the Glendale City Council members must vote to enter into a lease agreement with the buyer selected by the NHL.”
Dangerous game the mayors playing here. Theoretically this is completely incorrect, lets say our little HFB consortium got our scheckles together and bought the team from the league on the provision that the team stay in the greater PHX area. WHY would the mayor presume that we would HAVE to negotiate with them, we could just as easily turn around and get a deal here (This may get Killion to triple his investment):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona...orial_Coliseum

The league would keep the market and give it one last go. (I know I know it's too small, the prices would be way too high to break even. This is just to show that the Mayor's contention that all deals for the PHX market must go through her little burg are full of hubris (and to pump up K's tires a bit).)

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