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01-06-2012, 07:27 PM
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Realignment will not happen.

renhockey Renaud P Lavoie
The National Hockey League announced today that it will not move forward with implementation of the Realignment.

Supposedly the PA has refused to go through with it


EDIT:It's offical http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=610343


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01-06-2012, 07:28 PM
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Interesting!
I wonder how this will play out. I had mixed feelings about the realignment, it was growing on me though.

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01-06-2012, 07:30 PM
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Interesting!
I wonder how this will play out. I had mixed feelings about the realignment, it was growing on me though.
Same, but the playoff system was total garbage

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So we are stuck in the Southeast for another season? This is BS.

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Same, but the playoff system was total garbage
It just bothered me that there were unequal conferences. Truthfully, I was hoping for a revised version of the current system. Regardless of the format, I just want us to build a team that compete under any system...

EDIT: We won't be in the SE, if they have to scrap the revision they'll just move us and another team IMO...

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So we are stuck in the Southeast for another season? This is BS.
Mr. Chipman is not going to be a happy man, he was so exited that we got to play with Chicago and Detroit

I smell another lockout

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From the nhl.com linked story...

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As a result of the League’s decision today, the NHL will maintain its current alignment and Playoff Format for the 2012-13 season.

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This is ********. They HAVE to at least move the teams around to get us out of the SE. PA cannot be opposed to switching us and Nashville. It looks completely stupid and bush league to have Winnipeg is the SouthEast division.

You know what. This is Donald Fehr ploy. He is trying to save this for a bargaining chip in the CBA negotiations. He doesn't give one iota about realignment, he just wants to have an easy thing to give to the owners for concessions. I knew that guy was trouble. (Please note this is my wild speculation)

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Bad news for the Peg.

Seems to me like the PA is just doing this because they can...

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Can anyone say Bargaining Tactic for someone who has been involved in Labour negotiations, the last thing you give the other side right before bargaining is what they want uncontested. My guess the players don't feel that strongly about it, but it can be used as a chip for something they really want.

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Bad news for the Peg.

Seems to me like the PA is just doing this because they can...
The NHL is pursuing legal actions, so maybe.....


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NHLPA says extra travel was major concern as well as playoff structure.... Union says it consulted with players on conf calls

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CMON PA, you ****ing idiots, at least get us out of the southeast, ****ing idiots,

although that does give us one more chance to win a SE division banner

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I still find it unbelievable that there is a union for multimillionaires.


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Its stupid. Realignment is going to happen eventually, this is just waisting another year before we can start building rivalries.

But more importantly it really **** us over again. The current system is way more flawed than the one proposed. Our travel is going to suck once again next season.

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You know what. This is Donald Fehr ploy. He is trying to save this for a bargaining chip in the CBA negotiations. He doesn't give one iota about realignment, he just wants to have an easy thing to give to the owners for concessions. I knew that guy was trouble. (Please note this is my wild speculation)
Absolutely. They're refusing something that benefits the league as a whole, including them, to play it as a bargaining tactic later. In doing so they're turning the negotiations in to a contest of who cares less about the league. This is aggressive and dangerous action for the PA to take.

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It's a joke. It's all a joke


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Absolutely. They're refusing something that benefits the league as a whole, including them, to play it as a bargaining tactic later. In doing so they're turning the negotiations in to a contest of who cares less about the league. This is aggressive and dangerous action for the PA to take.
This Fehr has been a problem in baseball making ANY progress in the last 20 years. Baseball has less fan support than every right now, and you can point straight to Fehr on this one. Now he is bringing that to hockey.

The PA could have shown a willingness to negotiate in good faith by talking to the owners, making them understand that they are granting this with understanding that they will get something later. You know, like rational group trying to get a deal done that would be best for the NHL. Nope, I"M GONNA STOP YOU FROM IMPROVING THE GAME. TAKE THAT NHL. NOW I WANT MONEY. MOOOOONNNNEEEEEYYYYYY. What do you expect the NHL to do. "Why, here is everything you ever want." No, they are going to get mad. And strike back. They are called negotiations, not war.

You know is going to be the losers. Us. The Fans. More hockey missed.

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01-06-2012, 08:13 PM
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lockout here we come
stupid ****ing players
rich crybabies

using as a cba negotiation tactic

they want something
more money, yes olympics... has to be something

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just saw on TSN,

weren't the jets promised to be only in the SE for one year, could we sue the NHLPA and get the increased travel costs

http://www.nhlpa.com/about-us/contact-us

i sent them a message, i know it means nothing, but im really pissed off right now

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I have trouble blaming the players and their union. They are in a much weaker position this time around and this is after they basically caved last time. Don't get me wrong I'm a big fan of the current CBA and I think the next one will be even more owner friendly, which helps small market teams. But you at least have to let them fight the good fight rather than turtle before negotiations even start.

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I have trouble blaming the players and their union. They are in a much weaker position this time around and this is after they basically caved last time. Don't get me wrong I'm a big fan of the current CBA and I think the next one will be even more owner friendly, which helps small market teams. But you at least have to let them fight the good fight rather than turtle before negotiations even start.
This isn't a good fight issue though. They are essentially trying to financially kibosh a large number of NHL teams. That hardly seems like negotiating in good faith.

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Why does this bother some of you so much? I'd rather play in the SE division than play Det and Chi multiple times each year.

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This isn't a good fight issue though. They are essentially trying to financially kibosh a large number of NHL teams. That hardly seems like negotiating in good faith.
To be honest in Bargaining anything is a good issue, especially if you know the other side has most of the power. Bargaining in bad faith is when you agree to something and then change your mind. Or you draw a line in the sand and the other side meets your demand, and then you negate it by drawing a new line in the sand. Neither of which applies to the player union.

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I have trouble blaming the players and their union. They are in a much weaker position this time around and this is after they basically caved last time. Don't get me wrong I'm a big fan of the current CBA and I think the next one will be even more owner friendly, which helps small market teams. But you at least have to let them fight the good fight rather than turtle before negotiations even start.
What will be contentious is that the revenue split is currently 57% going to the players. The NHL wants to reduce that to 50% (which to me seems like a fair split. I believe that was one of the issues with the NBA lockout as well. Looks like it will not be an easy negotiation so I guess this is the 1st shot.

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