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NHLPA rejects league approved four-conference re-alignment

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01-06-2012, 06:44 PM
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NHLPA rejects league approved four-conference re-alignment

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=384427


Result: status quo of 6 divisions and playoff for 2012-13 season.

Edit - I keep forgetting what year we are in. Sigh.


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NHLPA wants Detroit in the east???

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I'm surprised the PA has the ability to prevent this change, they shouldn't. Bettman could be in trouble with Fehr, he doesn't often lose, but Fehr is going to be a pain imo.

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Hmmm, I wonder if this is a misstep by the PA.

OT: Would the NHL use Phoenix contraction as a bargaining chip?

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The only single possible explanation I can come up with is that the PA wants to use realignment a chip in the upcoming CBA negotiations. I think that this is a low blow, and very petty of the PA. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

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01-06-2012, 06:55 PM
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**** you NHLPA, this ****s over winnipeg so hard

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Why would the players disagree with it? Merely politics?

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01-06-2012, 06:56 PM
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The only single possible explanation I can come up with is that the PA wants to use realignment a chip in the upcoming CBA negotiations. I think that this is a low blow, and very petty of the PA. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
And here we go, the pro-Bettman folks are going to start attacking the players now. This is great news in my mind, it shows the Mr. Fehr is not going to put up with being a lackey to Bettman and the owners. This is a very good sign for CBA negotiations.

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And here we go, the pro-Bettman folks are going to start attacking the players now. This is great news in my mind, it shows the Mr. Fehr is not going to put up with being a lackey to Bettman and the owners. This is a very good sign for CBA negotiations.
What reason could the players possibly have for not wanting realignment, besides using it as a bargaining chip?

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What reason could the players possibly have for not wanting realignment, besides using it as a bargaining chip?
Gerrymandered conference with the old NE and the two Florida teams?

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And here we go, the pro-Bettman folks are going to start attacking the players now. This is great news in my mind, it shows the Mr. Fehr is not going to put up with being a lackey to Bettman and the owners. This is a very good sign for CBA negotiations.
It's bad sign that they want to fight rather than negotiate. You want another season of no hockey? I don't. Wpg AT THE VERY LEAST should be able to get out of the southeast, it's bush league to have them there.

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And now the NHL will tell the PA they are not going to play in Sochi, this is going to hurt the players a lot more than they think it will.

The NHL should just go ahead with the realignment anyway the PA cannot stop it the NHL allowed them to give their opinion but they do not have to listen to the PA

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The only single possible explanation I can come up with is that the PA wants to use realignment a chip in the upcoming CBA negotiations. I think that this is a low blow, and very petty of the PA. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
100% agree.

This certainly will cause the CBA negotiations to start off on a bad footing; how does that help the PA's cause?

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Gerrymandered conference with the old NE and the two Florida teams?
Absolutely. FWIW, I've spoken with Coyotes players over the years at benefits and hospital visits and such and to a man they want more say in the game. They've felt that too many things over the years have been imposed upon them.

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It's bad sign that they want to fight rather than negotiate. You want another season of no hockey? I don't. Wpg AT THE VERY LEAST should be able to get out of the southeast, it's bush league to have them there.
That's Winnipeg's problem not the NHLPA's. Maybe they should have thought of the ramifications of getting a team from Atlanta. If a missed season of hockey gets a better CBA for the players then so be it.

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I don't see how the players have all that much leverage going into this. Contract Phoenix, kill Sochi. What is it the players are after? What aren't they getting that they think they should?

I imagine the players would like another team in Ontario, but they have no influence there. I am curious what pro-NHLPA folk see as the issues here.

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That's Winnipeg's problem not the NHLPA's. Maybe they should of thought of the ramifications of getting a team from Atlanta. If a missed season of hockey gets a better CBA for the players then so be it.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. In strike years the players rarely come out on top. That's why lockouts are more common than player strikes over the past few years.

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That's Winnipeg's problem not the NHLPA's. Maybe they should of thought of the ramifications of getting a team from Atlanta. If a missed season of hockey gets a better CBA for the players then so be it.
You know what gets better CBA for the players? Actually negotiating in good faith. Trying to take things by force will simply force the NHL to strike back, then we get a war rather than a negotiation. NOBODY wins in that situation.

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That's Winnipeg's problem not the NHLPA's. Maybe they should of thought of the ramifications of getting a team from Atlanta. If a missed season of hockey gets a better CBA for the players then so be it.
Hah, wow. You forget that the owners are the ones who run the league. They did think of them and tried to realign the league to compensate. This isn't the 1950's. These aren't factory workers getting screwed.

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You know what gets better CBA for the players? Actually negotiating in good faith. Trying to take things by force will simply force the NHL to strike back, then we get a war rather than a negotiation. NOBODY wins in that situation.
Get back to me when the owners do that. They never have. It's about time they did. The league should have consulted the players on this matter a long time ago but they did not. The league creates their own problems and blames the players. Fehr will not put up with that.

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That's Winnipeg's problem not the NHLPA's. Maybe they should of thought of the ramifications of getting a team from Atlanta. If a missed season of hockey gets a better CBA for the players then so be it.
wow, just, wow

where else could we have gotten a team

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Get back to me when the owners do that. They never have. It's about time they did. The league should have consulted the players on this matter a long time ago but they did not. The league creates their own problems and blames the players. Fehr will not put up with that.
Good, then let the players start their own league if the current conditions are so much like a coal mine. There's precedent for it in baseball.

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This is of course obviously a CBA move. The question, which I am sure we will get an answer too in the not too distant future, is what exactly did the NHLPA request from the NHL?

Since this re-alignment was a clear setup for future expansion and at least one relocation, which provides non hockey related revenues to the owners. I suspect that the NHLPA will put up a fight to have those revenues included in exchange for the coming reduction in their % (which seems inevitable after the NFL and NBA CBA's), but obviously, it is very hard to demand something for a CBA that doesn't exist. However, a relocation fee related to Phoenix seems quite likely before the current CBA expires, so, I guess and predict that the NHLPA told the NHL that they will only agree to the re-alignment IF the relocation fee that the NHL is about to get from Phoenix gets included in the hockey related revenue.

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