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01-17-2012, 02:15 PM
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Hits of the calendar year - 2011 only I would presume re: the timing of it coming out. Orlov's hip check should then be in the running for 2012 a year from now.

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For those sticking by Hunter's silly coach-speak about bad shots not worth taking, today's Noon Number at Japers' Rink is for you.

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Caps played only 226 minutes on PP (30th in NHL)

I found this interesting stat about PP. Caps have played only 226 minutes in man advantage this season yet their PP ranks 7th overall in league. They have only 145 man advantages (25th overall).

Why do you think it is like that ?

Do Caps end their powerplay often with quick goal ? Do they play not really agressive hockey so they donīt harvest so many powerplays ? Flyers lead the league with 196 PPīs, some fifty more than Caps.

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I found this interesting stat about PP. Caps have played only 226 minutes in man advantage this season yet their PP ranks 7th overall in league. They have only 145 man advantages (25th overall).

Why do you think it is like that ?

Do Caps end their powerplay often with quick goal ? Do they play not really agressive hockey so they donīt harvest so many powerplays ? Flyers lead the league with 196 PPīs, some fifty more than Caps.
they don't draw penalties. they don't keep their feet moving when the defenders initiate contact. they don't keep the puck in the offensive zone. all of those things means they don't get many power plays.

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How many shots on goal did Montreal average in that embarrassing 7 game defeat of the almighty Presidents?

Regular season statistics are overrated. Coaching kicks into high gear when the playoffs start - all those stats are meaningless. Coaches can win games in many different ways. Just as Dale is doing now, more nights than not. Winning. Just like Montreal did, he only needs to win 4 out of every 7.

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they don't draw penalties. they don't keep their feet moving when the defenders initiate contact. they don't keep the puck in the offensive zone. all of those things means they don't get many power plays.
Yeah you need the puck to draw most penalties and the Caps just don't possess the puck that much. With the high end talent this team has that is pretty criminal but that is the way both coaches have asked them to play in the quest to play the 'right' way...

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How many shots on goal did Montreal average in that embarrassing 7 game defeat of the almighty Presidents?

Regular season statistics are overrated. Coaching kicks into high gear when the playoffs start - all those stats are meaningless. Coaches can win games in many different ways. Just as Dale is doing now, more nights than not. Winning. Just like Montreal did, he only needs to win 4 out of every 7.
Yep Stanley Cup here we come...

The 12-9-1 Boudreau coached Caps were an embarrassment but the 12-9-1 Hunter coached Caps are on there way to winning the cup rope a dope style...

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Yep Stanley Cup here we come...

The 12-9-1 Boudreau coached Caps were an embarrassment but the 12-9-1 Hunter coached Caps are on there way to winning the cup rope a dope style...
Mill, FWIW, it's the trends that are worth considering (and no, this is not a Cup team by any stretch, at least not right now.) The current trajectory is headed in the right direction... slowly, but nevertheless. They haven't lost a five-game segment since DH's first. Here are the five-game segments under each coach:

BB:
5-0
3-2
2-2-1
2-3
0-2

DH:
2-3
3-2
3-1-1
3-2
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For those sticking by Hunter's silly coach-speak about bad shots not worth taking, today's Noon Number at Japers' Rink is for you.
Damn, my math was right

But I didn't know it was that bad in terms of rankings

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How many shots on goal did Montreal average in that embarrassing 7 game defeat of the almighty Presidents?

Regular season statistics are overrated. Coaching kicks into high gear when the playoffs start - all those stats are meaningless. Coaches can win games in many different ways. Just as Dale is doing now, more nights than not. Winning. Just like Montreal did, he only needs to win 4 out of every 7.
Easy question. Do you think their current level of play is capable of winning 4 out of every 7 against playoff caliber teams? The Caps have had a very easy schedule since Dale took over and I wouldn't call the majority of their wins so far convincing. I have little faith that the current iteration of the Caps could consistently win 4 out of 7 against top tier teams.

Eventually Montreal's little engine that could got plastered by the Flyers while getting shut out 3 times by Michael Layton. It just wasn't a sustainable method of winning. I can see the current edition of the Caps getting the 3 seed and squeaking out a series win and then getting hammered by the Bruins.

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@Stew

Since our team seems to suck against crappy teams for years now, I try to ignore our performances against them. In our powerhouse offensive hayday, the lowly lowly Islanders always gave us fits. These lame duck teams rarely look like lame duck teams when we play them. They bring it. Teams get up to play us. Littered with AHL players Bruce or Dale, it doesn't matter. We dont have easy games being so good in recent years.

But I fully believe the boys will show up for any and every playoff series. We are winning games now with minimal offense! Absolutely we can win barely more than half our games now and in the playoffs. Plus, we have Ovi. No one else does. Montreal did not when they got sent packing by Leighton. Nor did they have a Semin grade talent. A Green. A Backstrom.

Come the playoffs - coaching kicks in. The effort from the players will be there and have been there - book it.

Ovi leads the regular season yawn parade. A fine example he sets. /animal house

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Mill, FWIW, it's the trends that are worth considering (and no, this is not a Cup team by any stretch, at least not right now.) The current trajectory is headed in the right direction... slowly, but nevertheless. They haven't lost a five-game segment since DH's first. Here are the five-game segments under each coach:

BB:
5-0
3-2
2-2-1
2-3
0-2

DH:
2-3
3-2
3-1-1
3-2
1-1
12-9-1 is 12-9-1. To act like there is some significance to 3-2 over 5 random games compared to 2-3 is absurd.

We could break it down into the goals for and goals against minutia also and point out that Hunter's team is +2 over his 22 games while Boudreau's were -4 if that would make you feel better also.

The way the Caps were completely outplayed by 2 bottom dweller teams in a row is shocking. That they ended up going 1-1 over those games doesn't make it any better.

And how some could act like this is by design and that somehow never having the puck and spending the vast majority of the game in their own zone is the way to the promised land is friggin' unbelievable.

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Wow. Going into tonight, each team in the SE had a negative goal differential. Caps fixed that tonight, though.

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News from Swedish media is that Backstrom has no idea when he can play again. Right now is he only allowed to lie on the couch

There is no timetable says backstrom who has been feeling ill since the elbow to the head. (although he is feeling better now than after the hit)

http://www.aftonbladet.se/sportblade...cle14234489.ab




Basically it sounds backstrom could be out for another month, it is amazing that bourque is allowed to play afer this.


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just wondering if that elbow had been applied to crosby? dave steckel is a terrorist accidentally colliding with him. if it had been something like that? ray bourque would have had to change his name

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What a ****ing disaster - relegated to the couch.

I suspected we had trouble when he had the inconclusive tests. We never heard he passed a test. That means he failed.

Shanahan is an idiot rushing to be judge jury and executioner as his top priority, all before the severity of the crime had been determined. Far too lenient for a repeat offender and factoring the severity of the injury.

Now I am ****ing pissed again. I think George has to be pondering bringing in a C.

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What a ****ing disaster - relegated to the couch.

I suspected we had trouble when he had the inconclusive tests. We never heard he passed a test. That means he failed.

Shanahan is an idiot rushing to be judge jury and executioner as his top priority, all before the severity of the crime had been determined.

Now I am ****ing pissed again. I think George has to be pondering bringing in a C.
It's not so much Shanahan is an idiot as it is that's the way the system is built. And FWIW there's a lot to be said for punishing the act rather than the result, especially in the reverse case (really dirty act without a big result).


GMGM said he wasn't necessarily ruled out before the break, but I guess that's probably just smoke and mirrors to keep people from panicking. Ugh.

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Its tough to think Shanahan is ruling with a heavy hand to deter dirty play, yet that is what I was lead to believe he was going to do this year. Bourque was suspended for a dirty play in December.

Repeat offenders are subjected to heavy suspensions. Severe injuries meted out on dirty plays I believe lead to heavier suspensions. If 5 games is the system he determined, I still contend Shanahan rules like an idiot.

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I think the heavier suspension part comes in the way the lost salary is calculated. He lost way more for this suspension than he would have had he not been a repeat offender.

Now not saying that's good enough, but it is a clear difference.

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Its tough to think Shanahan is ruling with a heavy hand to deter dirty play, yet that is what I was lead to believe he was going to do this year. Bourque was suspended for a dirty play in December.

Repeat offenders are subjected to heavy suspensions. Severe injuries meted out on dirty plays I believe lead to heavier suspensions. If 5 games is the system he determined, I still contend Shanahan rules like an idiot.
rules like an idiot how? too many suspension? to the character you tend to post to, i would think you want more physical play and less intrusion by the league/shanahan. you want more?

how would you have suspended bourque? indefinately?

i could have you wrong, but i would think had schultz thrown that elbow that you would be dancing in the streets. had halpern or brouwer done it, it would have been proof of the new dale influence on the team.

maybe the reason that monty wanted him is their soft roster and they wanted some rat for balance.

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Tex - only 4 questions, impressive.

The purpose of handing out the suspension less than 18 hours after the game was to appear to quickly address the dirty elbow. You know, the leagues bizarre image phobia they have about themselves.

If his top goal was to deter extremely dirty plays by repeat offenders, he would have handed out a stiffer sentence. His priority was to appear to be addressing the situation swiftly, have a ruling in place before the evening news. All the while, probably crossing his fingers Nick was going to be ok. He was wrong.

For all that, I feel he is an idiot. The punishment didn't fit the crime. My feelings are not subject for debate Tex.

He could have simply said one hour after the game, RB is suspended indefinitely pending further review. I think the severity of injuries should have a hand suspension length. Haste makes waste, only idiots don't know that.

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the suspension procedure is part of the cba iirc. i could be wrong.

ive seen the previous examples of a player being suspended indefinately, but that is only to keep that player from playing before he can have a in person hearing at the league offices.

there is no precident and i believe no allowance in the cba to suspend a player indefinately for weeks.

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Suspensions should not be based on the seriousness (or even presence) of injuries anyway.

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Suspensions should not be based on the seriousness (or even presence) of injuries anyway.
I don't buy it. The punishment for crimes is based on the seriousness of injuries, why shouldn't suspensions?

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I don't buy it. The punishment for crimes is based on the seriousness of injuries, why shouldn't suspensions?
Because you get teams like the Blackhawks who more or less lie about the severity of injuries in order to impact the decision.

Basically it would require independent verification of injuries, and it doesn't mesh well with injuries that take time to set in (like some concussions). Just very messy to implement if you're going with a strict relationship between result (rather than action) vs. punishment.

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