I wouldnt be willing to move anything really, I just dont like his contract. I certainly wouldnt move any of Larsen,Oleksiak, or a 1st - and probably not Daley. That's me, I'm not a huge fan of Carter and like I said, that contract is horrendous.
The contract has become less of an albatross to me... his cap hit is within 500k of tuomo ruutu's ffs... who knows a steve ott could get paid 5 million in 3-4 years
The contract has become less of an albatross to me... his cap hit is within 500k of tuomo ruutu's ffs... who knows a steve ott could get paid 5 million in 3-4 years
I dont think Ruutu being overpaid justifies Carter being overpaid, but it's not totally the $ amount for me, it's the fact that it's for another 10 years. I just hate that. Carter is questionable as it is, so to take him on for 10 years really scares me.
So unloading any of our big assets like Oleksiak, Campbell, Larsen, etc just gives me chills.
I'd love something around ott for jvr as long as we don't have to add too much. Honestly I think jvr very well could be a bust, and turn into a career third liner. In either of his two pro seasons he hasn't even out scored ott's better seasons and ott brings more to the table. Jvr's been having really bad consistency issues and apparently has some attitude problems, as well. I could really see him not developing any further, but it's definitely worth the risk.
I'd love something around ott for jvr as long as we don't have to add too much. Honestly I think jvr very well could be a bust, and turn into a career third liner. In either of his two pro seasons he hasn't even out scored ott's better seasons and ott brings more to the table. Jvr's been having really bad consistency issues and apparently has some attitude problems, as well. I could really see him not developing any further, but it's definitely worth the risk.
Well JVR is also kind of buried in philly with all the offensive talent he has... he very well could pan out given the time.. but if the price is going to be more than ott+nemeth or something i'd let philly hang onto him and just trade them ott instead of trading him to vancouver
Crazy thinking here and it wont happen, but just to throw ideas around, anybody ever consider dealing Kari ?
This would depend on how high you are on him, but my thinking is that we could get a decent return for him. I'm actually fairly high on Blues 3rd stringer Ben Bishop. I think we could get him for cheap and I seriously think he will be a god NHL goalie.
I'll use Phoenix as an example - they let Bryz walk and brought in the cheaper option in Mike Smith and it seems to be working fine. I think we could do the same. It would give us a cheaper goalie ( for now ) and we would benefit from whatever return Kari could get us - which could be something we may not be able to bring in otherwise.
Just throwing things out there, I know this woudln't happen.
Flame on.
Absolutely not.
Get a solid D core in front of Kari and I truly believe he could be a top 5 goalie in the league. His talent is just through the roof, and we're finally seeing why he was a 2nd overall pick. In terms of pure talent, he's probably in the elite group of goaltenders in the league. He keeps a team that would consistently be a bottom 8 team in contention for a playoff spot. And to top it all off, he's only signed for 3.5 million. For a starting goaltender of his caliber, that deal is amazing.
The only way he becomes expendable is once Campbell becomes NHL ready, and even then only if they think he's better than Lehtonen, or that the age difference is too much and Campbell isn't that far behind. Lehtonen's future hinges on how Campbell does. Bachman probably won't ever be as great as Lehtonen, and Besko probably won't either.
In terms of just value, factoring in contract, off-ice things, personality, play, etc. I'd have Lehtonen in the top 5 pretty easily. I'm probably severely overrating him, but right now, I think he's more important to this franchise than even Benn.
I'd hate to see Ott get traded away, but if the return is good then i would be satisfied. Ribs i hope doesn't i think trading him would be worse since we lack scoring anyway and that wouldn't help that issue.
Do you guys think we will see the same urgency and motivation in the 5-6 games after the deadline that we are seeing now from guys like Ribs and Ott.
I almost get a small sense they are playing like they are auditioning to Joe because they want to stay put (which is good no doubt, love seeing guys play for the pride of the dallas jersey). But im concerned if Joe stands pat and all those guys who could be traded stay...they may get complacent and turn their 100% effort into 90%..
Youd hope not as they have a pretty big carrot to chase in the playoffs..
Get a solid D core in front of Kari and I truly believe he could be a top 5 goalie in the league. His talent is just through the roof, and we're finally seeing why he was a 2nd overall pick. In terms of pure talent, he's probably in the elite group of goaltenders in the league. He keeps a team that would consistently be a bottom 8 team in contention for a playoff spot. And to top it all off, he's only signed for 3.5 million. For a starting goaltender of his caliber, that deal is amazing.
The only way he becomes expendable is once Campbell becomes NHL ready, and even then only if they think he's better than Lehtonen, or that the age difference is too much and Campbell isn't that far behind. Lehtonen's future hinges on how Campbell does. Bachman probably won't ever be as great as Lehtonen, and Besko probably won't either.
In terms of just value, factoring in contract, off-ice things, personality, play, etc. I'd have Lehtonen in the top 5 pretty easily. I'm probably severely overrating him, but right now, I think he's more important to this franchise than even Benn.
I have no doubt about his talent and his worth to us right now.
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The Phoenix example doesn't work. The situations are nothing alike.
Well not really. The example works because coaching and the players in front contribute greatly to Smith's success - that and he is a good goalie, you can't just have anyone in net. Most people figured Phoenix was screwed when Bryzgalov walked, but low and behold......and it has lots to do with the unit in front of him and Tipps.
Guess we'll have to see what happens with Bishop. If he ends up being nothing, then we can all thank God that I'm not GM. If he turns out to be a good goalie like I think he will be, then looking back this maybe will wouldn't be so crazy. The theory makes sense, it's just the unknown like how good will Bishop be and would Kari bring in enough in return to help us in other areas. It's too much of a risk for Joe to actually go and do, especially with us being in a playoff race, and I get that. Just trying find a creative way to bring in some nice assets that we maybe couldn't otherwise.
Steve Ott of the Dallas Stars has lots of teams interested in him, too. It’s certainly not a given that Dallas will move him given where they sit in the Western Conference standings -- in eighth place on Friday morning. But they’re listening. Vancouver likes Ott a lot, and Toronto and Philadelphia also like the player. It just so happens that the Stars also like Flyers winger James Van Riemsdyk, but it’s going to take a lot more than Ott to pry him out of Philly.
I'd like to hear more rumours, not including Ott for a while.
Very reliable source ove on B's board. He's broken deals before:
Originally Posted by OrrOverGretzky Against my better judgement, because I've now emptied my PM box twice this is what I know:
The Bruins and Stars have been in discussions for a week. It's by no means a done deal and because of the schedule won't happen today. I got this from 3 different people, 2 of which I trust completely.
The Bruins send
Jordan Caron
Benoit Pouliot
A conditional 2013 pick (If Bruins make the finals its a first, If not its a second rounder)
To the Dallas Stars for :
Sheldon Souray
Michael Ryder
Am told the Bruins want Morrow (which I did say last week) But Dallas is prepared to do that deal with Ryder involved instead. Don't think it gets you Souray/Morrow
It may happen after both games tonight or 1st thing in the morning
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Very reliable source ove on B's board. He's broken deals before:
Originally Posted by OrrOverGretzky Against my better judgement, because I've now emptied my PM box twice this is what I know:
The Bruins and Stars have been in discussions for a week. It's by no means a done deal and because of the schedule won't happen today. I got this from 3 different people, 2 of which I trust completely.
The Bruins send
Jordan Caron
Benoit Pouliot
A conditional 2013 pick (If Bruins make the finals its a first, If not its a second rounder)
To the Dallas Stars for :
Sheldon Souray
Michael Ryder
Am told the Bruins want Morrow (which I did say last week) But Dallas is prepared to do that deal with Ryder involved instead. Don't think it gets you Souray/Morrow
It may happen after both games tonight or 1st thing in the morning
No way i would do this from Dallas if Ryder is involved!
Don't know how that helps our needs. We don't need more 3rd and 4th liners, and Caron isn't even a Center. Trading a top 6 guy for that package just seems terrible. And the pick would either be 29-30 or 52-58? No thanks.
I like trading Ryder in theory. He's having a great year close to his career bests in goal scoring because he's been given the oppurtunity to play a scoring role with the best the Stars have to offer. In reality Dallas could find another guy to excell in this role for about the same price on the open market next year.
If he's going the Bruins should have to give up a bit more than the 29th pick overall in the draft (at best - probaby a 2nd rounder in the 55-60 range), a decent 26 year old 4th line player and a mediocre prospect. The Stars after all are sinking their playoff hopes to make this deal.
No way i would do this from Dallas if Ryder is involved!
Ryder can be replaced from within. If it gets us a better bottom 6 and a pick, I'd be happy with it.
Like I said. If Chiasson and Glennie are ready to go soon, Ryder can be replaced.
And Morrow and Souray for that? Yeah right. We'll get a better return for Morrow than that, but he's out right now and I doubt he'll be moved until July 1st.
And if we're out of the race, who cares, we're not getting there next year either.
Caron is a solid 3-4 line guy, just can't stick with us for some reason. Pretty decent in Providence. Pouliot is well Pouliot.
So Boston is going to give us a 3rd-4th line player in Caron, an offensively inept Pouliot and a possible 1st if Boston makes the finals and if they don't a 2nd?
That alone is nowhere fair for Dallas even for Ryder! Hell i wouldn't even trade Ott for that!
it doesnt seem like enough for Ryder, honestly. I think you could get at least a first straight up for him with no conditions. I also think you could do better than Pouliot and Caron for Souray, although I dont know how highly people think of Caron.
it doesnt seem like enough for Ryder, honestly. I think you could get at least a first straight up for him with no conditions. I also think you could do better than Pouliot and Caron for Souray, although I dont know how highly people think of Caron.
it doesnt seem like enough for Ryder, honestly. I think you could get at least a first straight up for him with no conditions. I also think you could do better than Pouliot and Caron for Souray, although I dont know how highly people think of Caron.
He's 21, a big guy for a forward, and stuck on a deep Boston team. I'm pretty sure he has enough value around the league.
I honestly don't think we can get more for Souray and Ryder than a 1st, Caron, and Pouliot.
I'd almost prefer a 2nd this year over a 1st next.
