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01-06-2012, 11:33 PM
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u have to remember they were looking into re-igniting divisional rivalries too. With a smaller conference, you get more repeat battles. Remember the Edmonton and Calgary rivalries we had? That was because of the old layout. Now we barely see the same teams in playoffs anymore.

I really despise NHLPA for blocking it. They just want the NHL to know that they are there and if they approve it, they're doing them a "favor".



Stuff like this makes me not want to buy tickets anymore. Seroiusly, when did unions become so petty...

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01-07-2012, 12:47 AM
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Man that sucks.. Was really looking forward to the realignment..

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01-07-2012, 06:57 AM
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The league's current proposal for Detriot's conference/division isn't really any different than mine.

League's current Proposal:
Chicago
Columbus
Dallas
Detroit
Minnesota
Nashville
St. Louis
Winnipeg
But in your proposal, division C and division D are in the same conference. I'm guessing that means they would be playing each other as conference opponents, since the playoffs are then 1-8 in each conference, not just a home and home as with the league's 4 separate conference proposal. Detroit's issue is the schedule, and how many times they have to go west, as opposed to all other eastern time zone teams other than Columbus.

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01-07-2012, 07:29 AM
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There are two rumours making the rounds

1) This is Fehr first powerplay move to start to the bowl rolling for future battles
2) Up to 80% of the players who play with east coast team made it clear they do not want to have to travel as much as their west coast brothers. Last year one NYC team reportedly only spent 20 nights not in their own beds. Oilers and Vancouver spent 100+ days not in their own beds

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01-07-2012, 09:29 AM
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2) Up to 80% of the players who play with east coast team made it clear they do not want to have to travel as much as their west coast brothers. Last year one NYC team reportedly only spent 20 nights not in their own beds. Oilers and Vancouver spent 100+ days not in their own beds
So the NHLPA is actually ECPA, Eastern Coast PA?

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01-07-2012, 09:57 AM
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Because both the Western Conferences had 8 teams and the Eastern nnes had 7?

Much easier to make playoffs in an 7 team Conference versus an 8.

That being said, I am pretty pissed this is being delayed. Mostly since now WPG needs to spend another year in the SE. Garbage. You just needed to add a cross-over rule and you had the best possible conference setup, IMO.
I still don't understand that argument. Each conference still depends on the quality of the teams within them; one isn't easier or harder based on the number of teams.

Right now it is "easier" to make the playoffs in the eastern conference. Where is the outcry now?

If the 4th place team in a 7 team conference has 100 points and the 4th place team in an 8 team conference has 95 points. Which conference is the "easier" one to qualify for the playoffs?

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01-07-2012, 10:32 AM
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I still don't understand that argument.
No problem. Ask and it will be explained.

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Each conference still depends on the quality of the teams within them;
The problem is that at the moment it depends ONLY on the quality of the teams within them. After the change it will depend also on number of teams. There will be a SYSTEMATIC solution which will make it easier for some teams to get into PO.

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one isn't easier or harder based on the number of teams.
Oh yes it is. I did a simplified math exercise, just for you and here are the results...

Edit: had to remove the results, I guess they were too simplified and I don't have time to do it properly at the moment. Don't count me out yet, though. Will be back when I am not busy in the office. If someone else can do the exercise, even better.


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01-07-2012, 10:52 AM
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*** D Fehr, the guy is such a *****. i wasn't a fan of him being put into this position after what he's done in the past. i also didn't care for him because he's not a hockey guy. the last guy that came into a similar situation was Bettman himself. non-hockey guy, little credibility within the sport, didn't know the culture, etc.

the NHLPA is going to get it's dick kicked in again if they lock out. the league as a whole has brushed off the stigma and stench of the last lockout. it's also in a very good position with its fans and potential fans. quite a few people, myself included, totally shut off the NFL because of last summer's bs. the NBA is in rough shape and if the NHL locks out again they will be in a similar situation.

personally i liked the realignment. i also like the proposed 15 team cross over format. SOMETHING has to be done and these are the best alternatives.

teams like DET, COL, NSH, CHI....the ones that are in the midway point. well guess what you deal with it, you move on. since DET is an original 6 you give them first choice, especially since it was promised to them back in expansion about moving back east. for the teams that have to travel and deal with time zones. deal with it. all you hear about (and this shows the east coast bias in reporting) is how eastern teams have to go 2-3 zones so it effects their fans. well what the west teams when they go east? they start at 430-530, while their fans are at work still or commuting home. they get screwed also, so quit *****ing about it. i stay up until 12-1230 watching the home games, don't hear me *****ing about it. you deal with it.

until the entire US -Canada population and the NHL is in one MASSiVE super city that spans 1 time zone and a few hundred miles across then equal parity won't happen.

the statements of 'it is what it is' because it is. it's cut and dry, it's black-n-white. LA, PHX, SJ, VAN, EDM, etc are located where they are. what universe do you live in that somehow a city is physically moved 500 miles closer to another for 'convenience'?

unless teams physically move and teams are spread out evenly across US-Canada then it will remain like this. since this won't be done, playing in the west will involve more travel. guys *****ing about this can go back to the family farm in Alberta, or the family car dealership in MN and work 9 to 5 if they don't like it. travel is part of pro-sports, deal with it. i travel 100+ days a year knowing its part of my job. quit being a *** cry baby and do your job.


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01-07-2012, 12:18 PM
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There are two rumours making the rounds

1) This is Fehr first powerplay move to start to the bowl rolling for future battles

2) Up to 80% of the players who play with east coast team made it clear they do not want to have to travel as much as their west coast brothers. Last year one NYC team reportedly only spent 20 nights not in their own beds. Oilers and Vancouver spent 100+ days not in their own beds
Gee, that's too effing bad. Maybe re-alignment will make east coast teams not as appealing for UFAs then.

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01-07-2012, 01:07 PM
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But in your proposal, division C and division D are in the same conference. I'm guessing that means they would be playing each other as conference opponents, since the playoffs are then 1-8 in each conference, not just a home and home as with the league's 4 separate conference proposal. Detroit's issue is the schedule, and how many times they have to go west, as opposed to all other eastern time zone teams other than Columbus.
It only makes a difference in the playoffs, so it doesn't have much effect anyways, and it's not any different than how it is now.

There's other teams that have to travel even more than Detroit through out the course of a season. Look at Dallas and Colorado. Look at how Tampa and Florida get screwed.


There are 30 teams in this league. It's not fair to create a format based on what's best for North Eastern teams. There's a clear biased here.

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01-07-2012, 01:18 PM
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Contraction or Expansion; winter olympics; world cup of hockey; big market vs small market ... These are the only issues I see.

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01-07-2012, 01:33 PM
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Im surprised this happened, but I expect the PA accepts once Bettman says a definite yes to NHL in Sochi. One want for PA for one want for the up top

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01-09-2012, 08:24 AM
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Not really shocking that this happened and most of it is probably as people mentioned posturing by Fehr. The argument of a bias is pretty clear though in the realignment. Consider how easy it would be to move a team like Detroit or Nashville to one of the Eastern divisions and make the playoffs the top 8 teams, or heck go the whole AFC/NFC route and you have an even 15 teams in each. But the system as it was proposed there is a clear bias towards the two east coast teams and specifically the green division. I still think the best idea would be for teams to travel east and west across the league and to divide teams into a north and south conferences... Travel be damned, if players don't want to travel cross-country go get a real person job, and enjoy your new life. Travel is part of being a pro athlete and if you can't handle it then you're in the wrong line of work.

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