and i was just referencing why you don't get the fact that quebecers want people to learn french
I know that fact, that Quebec people want players to learn french, I live in Boston been to the province more than a few times, but official languages of Canada are french and English, so blaming a Russian player playing for Montreal learned English instead of French is ridiculousness as he hasn't violated anything and if he ends up in any other team in the NHL what's he gonna do with french? Foreign players coming to Russia making big bucks and not making an effort to blend in or learn the language - is very much different.
I know that fact, that Quebec people want players to learn french, I live in Boston been to the province more than a few times, but official languages of Canada are french and English, so blaming a Russian player playing for Montreal learned English instead of French is ridiculousness as he hasn't violated anything and if he ends up in any other team in the NHL what's he gonna do with french? Foreign players coming to Russia making big bucks and not making an effort to blend in or learn the language - is very much different.
What a load of dribble. The only difference is that you are blinded by your nationalism. If you are really interested in blending in and learning the language in Quebec then you need to learn French, not English.
I don't really have an issue with either Benoit or Markov, just simply pointing out that you are a hypocrite.
What a load of dribble. The only difference is that you are blinded by your nationalism. If you are really interested in blending in and learning the language in Quebec then you need to learn French, not English.
I don't really have an issue with either Benoit or Markov, just simply pointing out that you are a hypocrite.
no, becuase Quebec is Canada as far as I am concerned and English is a Canadian national Language, while in Russia it's Russian, get it?
no, becuase Quebec is Canada as far as I am concerned and English is a Canadian national Language, while in Russia it's Russian, get it?
You are confusing nationality with language and for someone who claims to have been to Quebec many times you haven't learned that most of the Quebecers paying Markov's salary don't look at it that way.
For all intents and purposes, French is a regional language. NHL players (even in Montreal) don't need to learn it to perform their job, or successfully integrate into society. Do NHLers need to know English?...Yes.
Likewise, are foreign players in Kazan expected to learn Tatar? No. But learning Russian is probably a good idea.
For all intents and purposes, French is a regional language. NHL players (even in Montreal) don't need to learn it to perform their job, or successfully integrate into society. Do NHLers need to know English?...Yes.
Likewise, are foreign players in Kazan expected to learn Tatar? No. But learning Russian is probably a good idea.
Learning the local language is probably a good idea in all cases, but you can't say that Russian is anywhere close to English in terms of an internationally used language. If it is not already I'm quite sure that English will become the language of business in the KHL. Already there are four KHL teams in non-Russian speaking cities and there is a very good chance that any foreign players or coaches hired by the KHL already speak English, not Russian, as their first or second language. Also if I'm not mistaken the KHL has already started to use English for player names on their jerseys.
The thing I find hilarious in this forum is that a French guy is a jerk for not making a better effort to learn Russian after being there for 4 months, yet a Russian guy who has been in Quebec for 12 years and obviously has made very little or no effort to learn French is just fine. Just think the blatant lack of objectivity and hypocrisy is a bit funny.
Both of you have good arguments. Yes most canadians going to KHL don't bother learning russian. Most of them know they go overseas for a very short period of time. It is very hard for the wife and kids. Some go to western europe where culture is a bit more NA.
Also, I wouldn't expect Markov to learn french. Just like NA going to KHL, Markov didn't/don't know how long he'll be in Montreal. French is one a the toughest language to learn....gramatical rules! Being a french canadian (grew up outside Quebec but now live there) it doesn't bother me at all that foreign player don't learn french when playing in Montreal.
However, although Quebec is a province in Canada, it is very different than the other provinces in every sense. Laws, culture, way of living, mentality. If you don't live it on a day to day basis, you can't know what french canadians have been through.
Both of you have good arguments. Yes most canadians going to KHL don't bother learning russian. Most of them know they go overseas for a very short period of time. It is very hard for the wife and kids. Some go to western europe where culture is a bit more NA.
Also, I wouldn't expect Markov to learn french. Just like NA going to KHL, Markov didn't/don't know how long he'll be in Montreal. French is one a the toughest language to learn....gramatical rules! Being a french canadian (grew up outside Quebec but now live there) it doesn't bother me at all that foreign player don't learn french when playing in Montreal.
However, although Quebec is a province in Canada, it is very different than the other provinces in every sense. Laws, culture, way of living, mentality. If you don't live it on a day to day basis, you can't know what french canadians have been through.
i agree with you for the most part, I actually loved going to Monreal as well as the other parts of Canada i had been to, it's just some people are so ignorant and believe in their ignorance - it's beyond believe.
i agree with you for the most part, I actually loved going to Monreal as well as the other parts of Canada i had been to, it's just some people are so ignorant and believe in their ignorance - it's beyond believe.
Fact is though = if your living and working abroad, you might want to make an effort to learn the language to make life easier on yourself (regardless of English being the worlds majory language).
Fact is though = if your living and working abroad, you might want to make an effort to learn the language to make life easier on yourself (regardless of English being the worlds majory language).
This concept isnt brain surgery.
He was wrong to criticise Benoit and then defend Markov, but the rest of your statement I agree with.
Regardless of Markov playing for Montreal, he learned an official language of the country of his employment.
Until Benoit makes an attempt to do the same, there is no comparison.
In leagues the clubs represent cities, not countries. In Montreal the dominant language is french. Markov has been there 12 yrs as opposed to 4 mo so I agree that there really is no comparison.
In leagues the clubs represent cities, not countries. In Montreal the dominant language is french. Markov has been there 12 yrs as opposed to 4 mo so I agree that there really is no comparison.
So what?
56% of the people in Montreal know English, its the main language used in the Habs lockerrom, and the majority language of the country he's in.
Until Benoit attempts to learn ANY majority language in Russia, you don't have much of an argument.
56% of the people in Montreal know English, its the main language used in the Habs lockerrom, and the majority language of the country he's in.
Until Benoit attempts to learn ANY majority language in Russia, you don't have much of an argument.
How do you know he hasn't? If you actually read the article in the OP you would see that Benoit was attacked by the Russian posters in this thread because his wife said she had found it hard living there and not being able to speak Russian. Again they have only been there a few months!!
On a side note I think it would help teams in Russia attract foreign players if the local people actually spoke some of the international language of business and tourism, as they do in most of the rest of Europe, but let's face it that isn't going to happen any time soon.
On a side note I think it would help teams in Russia attract foreign players if the local people actually spoke some of the international language of business and tourism, as they do in most of the rest of Europe, but let's face it that isn't going to happen any time soon.
I know that around 10 million schoolgoers study English as a foreign language per year.
How do you know he hasn't? If you actually read the article in the OP you would see that Benoit was attacked by the Russian posters in this thread because his wife said she had found it hard living there and not being able to speak Russian. Again they have only been there a few months!!
On a side note I think it would help teams in Russia attract foreign players if the local people actually spoke some of the international language of business and tourism, as they do in most of the rest of Europe, but let's face it that isn't going to happen any time soon.
Dude, english in russia will NOT help attract foreign player. Sorry. I know two players personnally that plays in Russia, One of the is André Benoit. Both of them when for the $$$.
They go for the $$$. No other reason. Is that or riding the bus in the AHL or make less than 200 000$ somewhere in europe where the cost of living is through the roof, like Swiss. Other leagues don't pay close to what they can earn in the KHL.
Most of NA don't bother learning Russia. They are there for the hockey season and that is it. Cash a check a come back the day the are eliminated.
And no Russian are not to stubborn. Its their culture... This is what makes Russia. It's not because it's different that it's bad.
All you sounding off just prove that english people in Canada do NOT have any culture at all. You are part of the f***ing American Melting Pot where if it's not USA its not good.
On a side note, not all english are like that. But the stupid minority acto so stupidly that they look like the majority.
How do you know he hasn't? If you actually read the article in the OP you would see that Benoit was attacked by the Russian posters in this thread because his wife said she had found it hard living there and not being able to speak Russian. Again they have only been there a few months!!
On a side note I think it would help teams in Russia attract foreign players if the local people actually spoke some of the international language of business and tourism, as they do in most of the rest of Europe, but let's face it that isn't going to happen any time soon.
few month is more then enough to learn the basics and while his wife sitting at home on her butt, to turn the tv on and hire a teacher.
