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01-07-2012, 04:03 PM
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That's pretty funny. Watch Backstrom sometime then come back THANKS
Yeah Im just sitting here talking out of my a**, having never watched Backstrom play.

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Yea but who was Backstrom playing with again. What's the guy's name? You know that guy from Russia? You know, the Mr. Big guy with no teeth. What's his name again?
Oh yeah, Alexander Ovechkin!

You put Crosby with Kessel and tell me how many points he has?

Cuz that's the equivalent. Once Ovechkins production went down, do did Backstrom's. Coincidence? No more easy assists and easy points for Backstrom. Yet Kessel has gotten better every year playing with scrubs until this year. And once he got a half decent player(lupul) to play with the guy is a top 5 scorer in this league.

So you're comparing Backstrom to Crosby?
Backstrom doesn't strive off of Ovechkin. It's the opposite.
Their numbers were down last year because of the new defensive system Boudreau tried to implement. Now that he's gone both are playing a lot better.

Also... Kessel had fine linemates in Boston...

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01-07-2012, 04:05 PM
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There is nobody on your team that i would want for any of those 4.
Oh yes we hear this a lot from everyone.

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01-07-2012, 04:06 PM
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All of you Leaf fans say you don't want Semin because of his work ethic, but do you realize he is EXACTLY like Kessel? When Kessel wants to play, he is great, same for Semin. But, neither of them constantly produce how they can. Why? Because they choose not to play their best at times. Realize what you're saying when you say it people.
Yea you can try and say that but honestly you have no idea what ur talking about.

KESSEL LEADS THE LEAGUE WITH POINTS IN 32 OF 39 GAMES. THAT IS THE DEFINITON OF CONSISTINCY! ONLY 7 GAMES WITHOUT A POINT! BUT YEAH, YOU NOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT! GET OUT OF HERE.

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Yeah Im just sitting here talking out of my a**, having never watched Backstrom play.
At least you admit it, most people wouldn't

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Yea but who was Backstrom playing with again. What's the guy's name? You know that guy from Russia? You know, the Mr. Big guy with no teeth. What's his name again?
Oh yeah, Alexander Ovechkin!

You put Crosby with Kessel and tell me how many points he has?

Cuz that's the equivalent. Once Ovechkins production went down, do did Backstrom's. Coincidence? No more easy assists and easy points for Backstrom. Yet Kessel has gotten better every year playing with scrubs until this year. And once he got a half decent player(lupul) to play with the guy is a top 5 scorer in this league.
...I'm just to copy and paste what I said before: Backstrom's point totals dropped because Boudreau switched to a defense first system. Everyone's point totals dropped. This year, he's on pace to top 90 points again, despite Ovechkin's sub-par year.

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All of you Leaf fans say you don't want Semin because of his work ethic, but do you realize he is EXACTLY like Kessel? When Kessel wants to play, he is great, same for Semin. But, neither of them constantly produce how they can. Why? Because they choose not to play their best at times. Realize what you're saying when you say it people.
There is nothing about Toronto that would motivate Semin. If playing with Ovechkin isn't enough.

That said -- comparing this years Kessel to this years Semin -- is a stretch. Kessel's work ethic and leadership abilities have been fine this year. Sad that most people expected a 21 year old in the world's biggest hockey market, one year removed from Cancer, to single handily vault them into contention. Perspective is sometimes needed. Semin has been riding coattails for a long time.

I'm sure Semin can bounce back but that place isn't Toronto. Way to much risk with the amount of assets that would be required, his salary and UFA status.

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Yea you can try and say that but honestly you have no idea what ur talking about.

KESSEL LEADS THE LEAGUE WITH POINTS IN 32 OF 39 GAMES. THAT IS THE DEFINITON OF CONSISTINCY! ONLY 7 GAMES WITHOUT A POINT! BUT YEAH, YOU NOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT! GET OUT OF HERE.
Not trying to bash Kessel, but...
that is the exact opposite definition of Consistency.

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01-07-2012, 04:08 PM
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So you're comparing Backstrom to Crosby?
Backstrom doesn't strive off of Ovechkin. It's the opposite.
Their numbers were down last year because of the new defensive system Boudreau tried to implement. Now that he's gone both are playing a lot better.

Also... Kessel had fine linemates in Boston...
That statement is so wrong.

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Yea you can try and say that but honestly you have no idea what ur talking about.

KESSEL LEADS THE LEAGUE WITH POINTS IN 32 OF 39 GAMES. THAT IS THE DEFINITON OF CONSISTINCY! ONLY 7 GAMES WITHOUT A POINT! BUT YEAH, YOU NOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT! GET OUT OF HERE.
And what did he do last year? Or maybe the year before that? Or any other time he did so very well?

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That statement is so wrong.

Hey that's cool you're a caps fan too? You must be if you watch every caps game, which is the only way you can make a statement like that!

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And what did he do last year? Or maybe the year before that? Or any other time he did so very well?
Kessel does nothing but put up 30+ three years in a row and will hit over 40 this year.

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What a stupid debate! We are talking about two of the better players in the league, so swapping them would be pointless. If the Leafs traded for Backstrom, it would be to play with Kessel, so why trade Kessel for him.

Trash Kessel all you want, but the fact still remains that you have arguably the two of the most talented hockey players on earth on your team and you are in 10th place in the conference. Talent only takes you so far it seems.

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At least you admit it, most people wouldn't
You must live in a really remote little village 3000 miles outside of Washington. Because your ability to pick up on sarcasm is about as bad as your knowledge of Kessel.


Anyways its Saturday night, and I'm not going to sit here and argue with you over Backstrom! cheers

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01-07-2012, 04:13 PM
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This thread is getting sidetracked guys. Kessel, Backstrom both fine players -- neither getting moved.

Semin -- not a fit -- too much of a risk.

Washington needs a second line center -- Toronto may have one -- if another is acquired.

Would Grabovski or Connolly fit? Possibly. But that move would require Toronto acquiring another first.

Sad that Eklund can bring two fan bases into a troll fest. Let's try and stay on topic.

If Toronto is talking to Washington -- realistically it's probably only a bottom 6 forward going to Washington.

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Let's continue without kessel or backstrom.

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Grabovski + Franson + Conditional Pick for Semin + Conditional Pick

Condition being if Grabovski or Semin signs, a 2nd is sent to the other team?

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Yea you can try and say that but honestly you have no idea what ur talking about.

KESSEL LEADS THE LEAGUE WITH POINTS IN 32 OF 39 GAMES. THAT IS THE DEFINITON OF CONSISTINCY! ONLY 7 GAMES WITHOUT A POINT! BUT YEAH, YOU NOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT! GET OUT OF HERE.
I find it very amusing how some Leafs fans seem to think that the past 5 seasons of Kessel career no longer matter. You know, the five years over which he averaged 0.66 ppg. But hey, let's count this season.

Kessel's career ppg over 414 games: 0.70
Semin's career ppg over 426 games: 0.88

Both players have spent the majority of their careers with ****** linemates. Both are snipers. Both bring very little to the game when they're off. Face it, they're far more similar than you would like to admit, and Kessel's past 40 games doesn't change that.

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Burke could be after a guy like Alzner, which would allow him to turn around and trade Luke Schenn for an impact forward.

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You must live in a really remote little village 3000 miles outside of Washington. Because your ability to pick up on sarcasm is about as bad as your knowledge of Kessel.


Anyways its Saturday night, and I'm not going to sit here and argue with you over Backstrom! cheers
I'll be more specific for the detailed oriented amongst us - 3790 kms from Washington DC

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leafs fan here saying that backstrom is night and day better than kessel atm, that could change. but as it stands right now, backstrom is the more superior player.

the only team eklund usually gets insider info is from the flyers. so, i think he is just throwing **** at the wall and hoping it sticks.

besides, we dont really make good trading partners. unless neuvy is on the block.

and yes i know burke said he isnt shopping for a goalie, but can you really believe him? its not like hes going to say "im actively shopping for a goalie, because i have no confidence in the two sieves i have now".

burkie keeps his cards close to his chest.

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Burke could be after a guy like Alzner, which would allow him to turn around and trade Luke Schenn for an impact forward.

Alzner is our best defenseman. Unless he's the centerpiece of a package that brings us a top player in the league, he's not getting traded.

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[QUOTE=Braden Carlzner;42081063]So you're comparing Backstrom to Crosby?

no, I'm comparing Ovechkin to Crosby in the last few years Backstrom has been producing with Ovechkin.
Ovechkin was hitting 50 goals every year, with Backstrom getting alot of those easy points.
Crosby is the only one who compares to Ovi over the last 5 years. Both very special talents.
Backstrom is a playmaking center. He had sniper in Ovechkin.
Kessel is sniper, so I put him with Crosby the playmaking center who had similar stats to Ovi.

If Kessel was with Crosby the last 5 years, like Backstrom with Ovechkin, he would have hit 40 goals probably 4 of those 5 years at least. Maybe 50 or more. He has hit 30 easy with crap linemates on the Leafs. And this year probably will hit 40 without a top tier talent.


He had a slow, young Lucic, before he hit speed skating classes and Marc Savard who just wasn't that great like people think. He wasn't that good until he had Kovalchuk to set up. Then he had Kessel. He was a good player, yes, but not top tier. Like Ovechkin is.

HEy remeber, they also have Semin on thier line too. Who is pretty damn sick when he wants to be..
Can you seriously compare Bacstrom's linemate's over the last 5 years to Kessel's? Honestly?

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Hey that's cool you're a caps fan too? You must be if you watch every caps game, which is the only way you can make a statement like that!
Not sure what being a Washingotn fan has to do with it.

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46-46-92

If you are wondering what those totals are -- they are Ovechkins first two seasons. The first of which he was a rookie and beat out Crosby for ROY.

Why is this relevant? Well, Backstrom wasn't even in the league.

So stop pretending you are the only one that watches games -- it really is irrelevant and insulting -- especially when you are trying to make false claims.

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He had a slow, young Lucic, before he hit speed skating classes and Marc Savard who just wasn't that great like people think. He wasn't that good until he had Kovalchuk to set up. Then he had Kessel. He was a good player, yes, but not top tier. Like Ovechkin is.

HEy remeber, they also have Semin on thier line too. Who is pretty damn sick when he wants to be..
Can you seriously compare Bacstrom's linemate's over the last 5 years to Kessel's? Honestly?
Thanks for proving you don't know what you're talking about! You might as well say Malkin's stats are inflated by playing with Crosby. Semin's spent his entire career playing on the second line with whatever top 6 scraps and rookies we have at the time. He only plays with Ovie and Backstrom when we're trailing late and desperately need goals.

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