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01-07-2012, 07:00 PM
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Why is this so hard for some people to understand?
What was the problem this season when TM was coaching then? Last season they scored more and played better (had puck possession in corners, cycling the puck and wearing other teams out). Is it because they've lost Smyth and Handzus, who fit that kind of system better, and now that we've brought in Richards/Gagne we need to have a more flying offence?

Not trying to be sarcastic, just wondering what people on these board think the issue is; the talent/skill is there, but it's much the same talent that played better last season.

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I think you might be right 25. I can tell you this much, it wasn't DS's idea. There was talk going around that he had a couple of people in mind when he was offered the job then all of the sudden he was the existing coaches.

DL might just be in the process of losing his job as a result.
That;s a piss poor decision by DL then if that's the case.

If Sutter had a staff in mind, and you want him to coach the team, you let him coach the damn team, you don't push guys on him...

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Yes but to be clear there isn't ANY reason to be bashing the team.

They are playing EXACTLY the way the TM system (Stevens, Kompon etc) set them up to play. DS simply has to change this or it is DL's tail.

Blaming the team is like blaming the ocean for leveling your outer banks beach house. You knew about the Hurricanes before you built it.

DS is supposedly our new HEAD COACH. He and ONLY he should be allowed to determine who he has working under him.

The team can only do what it is told to do. Otherwise players start losing ice time and PP play etc. You do what you are told to do and do it the way you are told to do so. That is why we get new players who can score when they get here and then start trailing off after they are here for a little bit. They get told how to play the MURRAY (now DL way) way and when they do the O goes down the pooper.

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01-07-2012, 07:02 PM
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What makes you guys think that JQ would be more upset than the rest of the team?

It's a ****in team game!! Get it through your heads. JQ is not the victim here.
*EXACTLY* correct.

THe team plays huge in front of him in our own end and JQ plays HUGE behind them. Team game and team successes.

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01-07-2012, 07:03 PM
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LOL, 9 of the 30 arenas are also used by NBA teams and plenty of them are winning teams. *cough* Boston, Philadelphia, NY Rangers, Toronto (WHAT?), New Jersey.
I remember reading an article on the boards about players saying how bad the ice is in TSC, and that was before the NBA season started.

Edit link http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=1052831

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01-07-2012, 07:04 PM
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A trade isn't going to get the Kings scoring. The philosophy needs to change. This is Lombardi/Sutter hockey.

The pieces are here, just need a new direction
This right here. A trade won't do squat. The offensive system needs a complete makeover. There is absolutely no offensive identity to this team.

- our shots are all pointless blue line floaters.
- offensive penetration consists of skating it in along the boards and pulling up.
- dump-ins give the other team the puck.
- long passes leave the puck carrier alone with no other options except to do points 2 and 3 above.

it's not even a nutshell. that's all we do.

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01-07-2012, 07:05 PM
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A boycott is in order until Kompon is shown the door.

Ridiculous that he is still on the payroll for such an atrocious performance over a huge stretch of games.

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Do the Kings play against their D and shoot on Quick in practice? Shouldn't that make them better offensively because they are going against the tops in the league in practice so the games should be easier! Right? Or maybe that is what's killing their confidence?

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Van fan here, I come in peace! It's been too small of a sample size to tell for sure, but man, it just seems to me like Sutter is the wrong fit for you given all the offensive weapons you guys possess. Teams like Minnesota, Nashville, Phoenix etc. have to play a slower system because they lack quality players, if they don't they lose. LA has so many damn weapons at both forward and D, as well as a stud goalie to boot, why the hell aren't you guys playing a system similiar to the NYR or Pittsburgh...

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I remember reading an article on the boards about players saying how bad the ice is in TSC, and that was before the NBA season started.
TSC?

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The Kings haven't scored a goal in regulation in 158:26. That's really all I've got to say about that.

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TSC?
The Staples Center.

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Van fan here, I come in peace! It's been too small of a sample size to tell for sure, but man, it just seems to me like Sutter is the wrong fit for you given all the offensive weapons you guys possess. Teams like Minnesota, Nashville, Phoenix etc. have to play a slower system because they lack quality players, if they don't they lose. LA has so many damn weapons at both forward and D, as well as a stud goalie to boot, why the hell aren't you guys playing a system similiar to the NYR or Pittsburgh...
Dean Lombardi would never hire a guy who would play that type of system. It seems we might be biding our time until Lombardi is shown the door.

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Kings are becoming the joke of the NHL.

UPDATED: In last 21 games the Kings have scored 1.57 GPG in regulation, have potted two goals or less 19 times (91%) & have gone 9-8-4.
Considering the GPG stat, the record is actually fairly impressive.

I wonder if a team has ever finished under 2.00 goals per game for the season. Kings have a chance.

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01-07-2012, 07:09 PM
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Yes but to be clear there isn't ANY reason to be bashing the team.

They are playing EXACTLY the way the TM system (Stevens, Kompon etc) set them up to play. DS simply has to change this or it is DL's tail.

Blaming the team is like blaming the ocean for leveling your outer banks beach house. You knew about the Hurricanes before you built it.

DS is supposedly our new HEAD COACH. He and ONLY he should be allowed to determine who he has working under him.

The team can only do what it is told to do. Otherwise players start losing ice time and PP play etc. You do what you are told to do and do it the way you are told to do so. That is why we get new players who can score when they get here and then start trailing off after they are here for a little bit. They get told how to play the MURRAY (now DL way) way and when they do the O goes down the pooper.
It's actually a perfect storm I feel.

Losing Zues/symth/Simmer, has impacted this team for the worse. If Dean is so bent on running the Same system, he should have never let those guys out of LA.

This current roster doesn't play that system down low Consistently. Also what the hell is whith Jack/Drew; They wait all the time for Defenders to get into position.


I know for a fact that is not on ANY coaches diagram. Firing Stevens/Komp whatever is not going to make a lick of difference.

This roster can't score, by now they should have scored at 2.5 Goal pace by accident.

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I know this isn't going to happen, but this is the conversation/meeting that needs to happen TONIGHT between Lie-weekly and Lombardi:

TL: "So, you're firing Kompon and Stevens (or at the VERY least Kompon) tonight and allowing Sutter to pick their replacements, right?"

DL: "No, it's not the coaches, it's the players who aren't performing under the coaches. You can clearly see that by the lack of offense after we replaced Murray."

TL: "Let me be crystal-clear, then. Either you fire Kompon TONIGHT, or it's you who's going to get a pink slip, along with Kompon when I fire him after I fire you. Capice?"

DL: "..."

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The bottom six isn't good enough for any team, all system arguments aside. With Gagne out, the top two lines aren't either...Penner is the defacto proven scoring left winger on the squad. Putting guys like Lewis and Richardson in the lineup makes a bad situation worse.

The GM needs to be replaced and a new guy can make the roster adjustments. I'm much more comfortable with someone else doing the tweaking than I am with DL. Then move forward from there.

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That;s a piss poor decision by DL then if that's the case.

If Sutter had a staff in mind, and you want him to coach the team, you let him coach the damn team, you don't push guys on him...
Yep but that is what seems to be the case. Keeping Stevens and co was supposed to be for our benefit. Well, you can clearly see that we are absolutely NOT benefiting from sticking to TM's outdated system and staff.

Time to hand the ENTIRE reigns to DS or simply just fire them all from top to bottom.

Someone said that DL was pouting about having to fire TM and was very very angry at the fans for raising such a stink and that we caused TM to lose his job. I don't know if that is true or not and in fact it seems unlikely to me but from the moment that DS said that he decided to go with the idea that he keep Stevens and co around so the players can play within a system that they are used to I began wondering why.

DS may coach a defencive style but he all about BALANCE.

Balanced attack.

Balanced D.

Balance.

We are a one trick pony and THAT is why TM had to go.

Never been one to call for DL's head but he has made a *serious* mistake by saddling DS with the Grandmaw Murray regects and it is time he lets it go.

I love DS for getting the attention of the team but anyone can see that we are playing old school one sided "force the other guys to make a mistake and then pounce" B.S. not gonna work hockey.

DS has made some good changes so far but if the team is playing a system that has simply stopped out ability to score and KILLED all creative attacking then it is time for him to insist on bringing in the people who can help him build the system that HE wants in place.

This may be in the process of happening right now but until it does we are going to continue to struggle to score a single goal against the worst team in the NHL.

The good news is that we will be in every game until the very end.

The bad news is that we have waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than enough talent to where a balanced team effort would allow us to build a lead and then sit on it with our D if we only had coaching that directed the team to do so.

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This right here. A trade won't do squat. The offensive system needs a complete makeover. There is absolutely no offensive identity to this team.

- our shots are all pointless blue line floaters.
- offensive penetration consists of skating it in along the boards and pulling up.
- dump-ins give the other team the puck.
- long passes leave the puck carrier alone with no other options except to do points 2 and 3 above.

it's not even a nutshell. that's all we do.
And does anyone else notice that this team has no clue what to do with an odd-man rush. Even dating back to last year, the Kings have got to be the least dangerous team in the league on a 3-on-2. Not only do they fail to score, but they're lucky if the puck even makes it to the slot before the back-checkers neutralize them. It's gotten to the point where I'm not even excited when one develops.

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01-07-2012, 07:13 PM
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Before the game, Dustin Penner was announced as being a healthy scratch. The sold out crowd cheered. How’s that for confidence building? Then during the broadcast it was announced Penner had left the building. Oh, PLEASE! Waivers, Edmonton, Pawtucket, ANYWHERE! Hammond chimed in with “upper body injury.” What, a bruised ego constitutes “upper body injury?”
He left? Ok.

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The Staples Center.
Well, in that case, bad ice shouldn't be blamed on the fact that the arena is also used by the NBA. The grounds crew at Staples are amateurs.

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Also what the hell is whith Jack/Drew; They wait all the time for Defenders to get into position.
I'm not going to make excuses, but as Fox pointed out numerous times, Dustin Brown SUCKS at screening the goaltender. They are waiting for someone to get in front of the goaltender for a screen but nothing is happening. Then when they do shoot DB just moves to the side to not get hit with the puck, giving the goalie an easy save.

At this point every forward, and I mean every forward needs to be up on the trading block. They need help.

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Next game is against Capitals. Do they score goals? Who is Ovechkin?

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Well, in that case, bad ice shouldn't be blamed on the fact that the arena is also used by the NBA. The grounds crew at Staples are amateurs.
Don't get me started.

It's in large-part their own fault.

A) The Kings don't do their morning skate in the building, opposing teams do.
B) The toyota sports center is set at ideal temperature (55 degrees), they can't do that at Staples Center. Especially on a double-header day.
C) If they were more specific about whats wrong with it, perhaps it could be fixed. Rather than just saying "it sucks" as they usually put on the reports.

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Well, in that case, bad ice shouldn't be blamed on the fact that the arena is also used by the NBA. The grounds crew at Staples are amateurs.
Eactly, I'm not saying the NBA is an excuse, I'm saying our ice is awful, and I blame it for Kopi's broken leg last year.

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