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01-06-2012, 11:11 PM
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Anyone remember the June 2008 trade that saw Montreal acquire Alex Tanguay and the 138th-overall pick (Maxim Trunev) in exchange for a first-round pick in 2008 and a second-round pick in 2009.

Calgary selected RW Greg Nemisz at #25 (Ennis went 26th and Carlson went 27th) and Colorado (acquired from Calgary) used the pick to draft Stefan Elliott.

Imagine had Montreal passed on Tanguay and acquired Carlson and Elliot instead. Sure hurts in hindsight.

Might have worked out way differently had Tanguay not suffered a separated left shoulder that basically derailed his career for a year or two.


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Anyone remember the June 2008 trade that saw Montreal acquire Alex Tanguay and the 138th-overall pick (Maxim Trunev) to Montreal in exchange for a first-round pick in 2008 and a second-round pick in 2009.

Calgary selected RW Greg Nemisz at #25 (Ennis went 26th and Carlson went 27th) and Colorado (acquired from Calgary) used the pick to draft Stefan Elliott.

Imagine had Montreal passed on Tanguay and acquired Carlson and Elliot instead. Sure hurts in hindsight.

Might have worked out way differently had Tanguay not suffered a separated left shoulder that basically derailed his career for a year or two.
The way management was back then they would have chosen a 5'1 goaltender. I had no faith in management then, and I still don't. As long as PG and Gainey are involved with this team....you can never know what kind of **** they will pull.

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01-06-2012, 11:16 PM
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OMG this is going far in the hindsight trend. Like, very far.

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01-06-2012, 11:19 PM
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The problem was not the trade.

Problem was, we didnt even gave Tanguay a ****in contract, when the guy was all around the ice, and almost a PPG player with us.

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I can guarantee you that habs would never have drafted Karlson. They would have probably another skilless big defenseman from the US.

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01-06-2012, 11:21 PM
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Tanguay was a good player to keep. Would've got a good value contract. Whatever.


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I can guarantee you that habs would never have drafted Karlson. They would have probably another skilless big defenseman from the US.
John Carlson

Seriously... is it too much to ask for a little research before posting?

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01-06-2012, 11:24 PM
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i think you got to look at it from the 2008 view

the team looked like it was a contender. Gainey made the trade and brought tangauy here which people didn't mind. If tangauy didn't get hurt or was resigned this trade wouldn't look as bad.

but man that great season of 2007-08 was like a dream and 2008-09 was the oposite.

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I can guarantee you that habs would never have drafted Karlson. They would have probably another skilless big defenseman from the US.
They might have drafted John Carlson; another skilless big defenseman from the US.

I hated this trade at the time. I think it strayed away from what led to the 07/08 season.

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01-06-2012, 11:46 PM
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Carlson is a ****ing stud.

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i think you got to look at it from the 2008 view

the team looked like it was a contender. Gainey made the trade and brought tangauy here which people didn't mind. If tangauy didn't get hurt or was resigned this trade wouldn't look as bad.

but man that great season of 2007-08 was like a dream and 2008-09 was the oposite.
Seriously, I'm 27, been watching the Habs for as long as I can remember, but I only started to really "get it" around 95 or so... the Cup in 93 is a very vague memory for me, I didn't really get to enjoy it, too young I guess.

2007-2008 as BY FAR the most exciting season I've enjoyed so far. The team was not perfect, but damn, it was exciting, and gave me hope! Why the team crumbled the way it did the next year, I'll never really know... but deep down I blame Carbonneau and the rest of upper managment for not managing their young players right, "psychologically".

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01-07-2012, 12:00 AM
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not managing their young players right, "psychologically".
Assume you are referring to: Maxim Lapierre, Guillaume Latendresse, Chris Higgins, Sergei Kostitsyn, Matt D'Agostini, Ryan O'Byrne, Andrei Kostitsyn, Ben Maxwell, and Kyle Chipchura

The other young guys turned out ok: Josh Gorges, Max Pacioretty, Mike Komisarek (while with MTL), Carey Price, and Jaroslav Halak.

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The way management was back then they would have chosen a 5'1 goaltender. I had no faith in management then, and I still don't. As long as PG and Gainey are involved with this team....you can never know what kind of **** they will pull.
Pricesubbanpaciorettyetc.

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01-07-2012, 12:03 AM
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The mistake was not signing Tanguay in the off-season.

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01-07-2012, 12:09 AM
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Tanguay would still be the softest player on the 11-12 Canadiens.

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It was the right move to make at the time. We had just finished 1st in the East and we had one of the best offense in the league. Tanguay was coming off a meh season, but he had a 81 and 78 point seasons just before.

Nobody could have predicted this implosion. The addition of Lang and Tanguay to an already very talented and DEEP roster... Those were great moves.

If you go back in time, our lines looked something like this:

Higgins (who we were all very high on at the time) - Koivu - Latendresse (who we all thought was ready to break out)
Kostitsyn - Plekanec - Kovalev (what else can we say about this line?)
Tanguay - Lang - S. Kostitsyn (another highly regarded youngster)
Lapierre - Bégin (then later Metropolit) - Kostopoulos

At the time, if things had clicked, that would have been a really good team on offense.

Add to that a pretty decent defense consisting of Markov, Gorges, Harmlik, Komisarek, Brisebois, Bouillon and Dandenault, and this team looked like a very competitive group.

Of course, you can always dwell in those "what ifs", but you can't use hindsight without at least trying to understand the situation at the time.

I have absolutely no regrets about those moves.

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Assume you are referring to: Maxim Lapierre, Guillaume Latendresse, Chris Higgins, Sergei Kostitsyn, Matt D'Agostini, Ryan O'Byrne, Andrei Kostitsyn, Ben Maxwell, and Kyle Chipchura

The other young guys turned out ok: Josh Gorges, Max Pacioretty, Mike Komisarek (while with MTL), Carey Price, and Jaroslav Halak.
Yup, and then again, that's the year Price imploded (though I personnally blame his injury more than anything) and Komisarek was thrown out of town for nothing, showing something was up behing the closed doors.

Then again, don't think anything happened with Chipchura and Maxwell, they just never really developped.

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Urghh another US D!! lol

we couldve drafter a bust like Calgary made

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Mark Streit became an UFA in July 2008. Big mistake by Gainey for not signing him at this time.

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It wasn't a mistake at all. It was a good move and the right time to make it too.

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It wasn't a mistake at all. It was a good move and the right time to make it too.
Explain. Montreal powerplay was so impressive in 08-09.

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Explain. Montreal powerplay was so impressive in 08-09.
I was referring to the Tanguay trade, not Streit. We definitely should have re-signed Streit.

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I was referring to the Tanguay trade, not Streit. We definitely should have re-signed Streit.
I was sure you were referring to what I said about Streit. I'm sorry!

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Meh no big deal. The real bad trade was Huet for a damn draft pick right before the playoffs. Good work *******, Price choked and we were out in the 2nd round. That team was clicking on every cylinder and he goes and dumps 1/2 of our tandem. That would be like Boston trading Thomas right before last years playoffs, hmmm wonder where they would have been without him.

I'm not getting into gainey's blunders though, it could take all ****ing night.

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Meh no big deal. The real bad trade was Huet for a damn draft pick right before the playoffs. Good work *******, Price choked and we were out in the 2nd round. That team was clicking on every cylinder and he goes and dumps 1/2 of our tandem. That would be like Boston trading Thomas right before last years playoffs, hmmm wonder where they would have been without him.

I'm not getting into gainey's blunders though, it could take all ****ing night.
I actually didn't mind the move and still don't. If Price was some vet's backup his whole career he'd develop slower. Not to mention, if they didnt trade huet and we lost we'd have this stupid hindsight debate about how they didnt get anything for huet when price was ready.

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