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01-16-2012, 04:25 PM
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The Mike Richter of football? Average regular seasons, then turns it on in the POs?
That statement is flawed regarding both Richter and Eli.

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First, he packed a T-shirt. Then, a few pieces of equipment. Some other dirty clothes. And then this: A WWE championship belt, the same belt that Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers turned into his signature item during last year’s Super Bowl run. Except this version had three blue letters across the front: E-L-I.

“Oh, some guys were just having fun with me,” Manning said when I asked him about its meaning. “It’s always fun when you’re making a little run.”
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The Mike Richter of football? Average regular seasons, then turns it on in the POs?
There's nothing average about Eli in the regular season. He certainly turns in on the playoffs, but instead of going form average to great, he goes from great to godly.

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01-16-2012, 04:54 PM
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The Mike Richter of football? Average regular seasons, then turns it on in the POs?
4,000+ yards and 25+ TD's 3 years in a row is average?

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Well. I wouldn't consider myself die hard the way I am with the Rangers.

But even I know Manning is irreplaceable.

He typically comes through in big situations.
I didn't mean you personally. Just in general. Some casual fans STILL think the guy is not all that great. It's insane!

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Im just so happy the team we beat was Green Bay. The Rodgers love was getting Tebow like.

"OMG i've never seen anyone sling the ball like him before! GOAT!"

Seriously...the guy is amazing a top 3 QB, but he's beatable and we proved it. and that stupid double check crap he does annoys me. He so ****ing cocky IMO and acts like a frat boy.

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I didn't mean you personally. Just in general. Some casual fans STILL think the guy is not all that great. It's insane!
10-20 years in the future, manning is going to be looked back upon pretty damn fondly.

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Im just so happy the team we beat was Green Bay. The Rodgers love was getting Tebow like.

"OMG i've never seen anyone sling the ball like him before! GOAT!"

Seriously...the guy is amazing a top 3 QB, but he's beatable and we proved it. and that stupid double check crap he does annoys me. He so ****ing cocky IMO and acts like a frat boy.
I like Rodgers. Seems like a nice guy. Better than Big Ben the rapist or Vick the dog killer.

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I remember how much I used to hate Eli. He made the most boneheaded decisions and was a total goat for what seemed like years until something amazing happened. Shockey went down.

As soon as he was out of the picture, Eli's confidence skyrocketed and he commanded that 07 playoff run like a true field general. I've been very supportive of him since then, and this season he just proved how much ice is in his veins.

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Im just so happy the team we beat was Green Bay. The Rodgers love was getting Tebow like.

"OMG i've never seen anyone sling the ball like him before! GOAT!"

Seriously...the guy is amazing a top 3 QB, but he's beatable and we proved it. and that stupid double check crap he does annoys me. He so ****ing cocky IMO and acts like a frat boy.
Seriously, it was getting annoying. He's been on a role since about half-way through last season and all of a sudden he's the greatest ever. Peyton and Brady have been doing it for 10+ years so I'll consider Rodgers as good as them when he has been doing it for that long.

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Top 5 QB IMO
1. Rodgers
2. Brady
3. Brees
4. ELI

Not sure where a healthy Peyton would be but I still think ELI would stay top 5. Hes certainly playing like one this year.

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01-17-2012, 10:45 AM
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Top 5 QB IMO
1. Rodgers
2. Brady
3. Brees
4. ELI

Not sure where a healthy Peyton would be but I still think ELI would stay top 5. Hes certainly playing like one this year.
For me, it's:

1) Brees
2) Peyton
3) Brady
4) Rodgers
5) Eli/Schaub

But this is only this season. Go back a few years and Matt Ryan was a really good QB a few years ago. Josh Freeman was last year. Rivers.

That 5 spot changes from year to year.

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As a Jets fan, I love Eli. The guy has ice water flowing through his veins. I would take Eli over Peyton 9 times out of 10. Not saying he is better than Peyton but he has shown that he can be just as good, especially in clutch situations. He just gets it done come crunch time, and that is the type of guy that you want on your team.

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For me, it's:

1) Brees
2) Peyton
3) Brady
4) Rodgers
5) Eli/Schaub

But this is only this season. Go back a few years and Matt Ryan was a really good QB a few years ago. Josh Freeman was last year. Rivers.

That 5 spot changes from year to year.
It's all about consistency. Eli has played like a fringe top 10 QB for most of his career, this year he's a definite top 5 'elite' QB.

Schaub, Ryan, and Freeman all had 1 very good year but besides that, pedestrian careers at best. Romo and Rivers have had some great regular seasons but both seem to lack clutchness and rarely show up in big games.

my list would be
1. Brady
2. Rodgers
3. Brees
4. Eli
5. Big Ben

After this would be Rivers/Romo/Ryan/etc.. But after 5 is a large gap IMO

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Eli easily could have gotten over 5,000 yards this season had the last Eagles and Redskins game played out differently. In both games, Eli was hitting the receivers in stride like he always does...but they couldn't catch it for the life of them. It was that Eagles game where I thought we switched Ballard with Boss. Inexcusable!

But it's okay. NFCCG, BABY!

By the by, anyone venture into the Bears forums? Those guys are hysterical! We'd probably do the same if the Bears eliminated the Eagles or Cowboys.


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What did the doofus say? No MSG on my front.

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How many Super Bowls does Peyton Manning have?

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How many Super Bowls does Peyton Manning have?
One. 2006 against the Bears. The year before Eli won his.

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One. 2006 against the Bears. The year before Eli won his.
Right! How could I forget, thanks. I had a brain fart. Lol.

I mean, if Eli does it this year, he has to be considered not only one of the Giants best ever, if not the best QB in Giants history, but one of the best in NFL history, no?

What active QBs have more then two rings? Brady. Who else?

Im not NFL savvy compared to hockey.

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Right! How could I forget, thanks. I had a brain fart. Lol.

I mean, if Eli does it this year, he has to be considered not only one of the Giants best ever, if not the best QB in Giants history, but one of the best in NFL history, no?

What active QBs have more then two rings? Brady. Who else?

Im not NFL savvy compared to hockey.
Ehh, I don't know. You can't place that much a premium on rings (Trent Dilfer), but if Eli can keep up this seasons level of play for the next 5 years and get it done in the playoffs, then you might make that argument.

He's one of the best of his era, but I don't know if you can say NFL history.

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Right! How could I forget, thanks. I had a brain fart. Lol.

I mean, if Eli does it this year, he has to be considered not only one of the Giants best ever, if not the best QB in Giants history, but one of the best in NFL history, no?

What active QBs have more then two rings? Brady. Who else?

Im not NFL savvy compared to hockey.
Roethelisberger has 2. I'm not sure if there are more but check AFC QB's. NFC has had like 10 different teams play for the superbowl. The AFC has basically been the Patriots, Steelers, and Colts for most of the last decade.

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I'm sure if it's a fact but I heard on the radio that every QB that's won two superbowls is in except Brady & Ben.

The way Eli carried the team all year, I think he's taken the top spot in franchise history.

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It's all about consistency. Eli has played like a fringe top 10 QB for most of his career, this year he's a definite top 5 'elite' QB.

Schaub, Ryan, and Freeman all had 1 very good year but besides that, pedestrian careers at best. Romo and Rivers have had some great regular seasons but both seem to lack clutchness and rarely show up in big games.

my list would be
1. Brady
2. Rodgers
3. Brees
4. Eli
5. Big Ben

After this would be Rivers/Romo/Ryan/etc.. But after 5 is a large gap IMO
You are insulting Schaub putting him with Ryan and Freeman who have been 2 outta three good and one year wonders so far.

YEAR TEAM G QBR COM ATT % YDS YDS/G Y/A TD INT
2008-09 Houston 11 92.7 251 380 66.1 3043 276.6 8.0 15 10
2009-10 Houston 16 98.6 396 583 67.9 4770 298.1 8.2 29 15
2010-11 Houston 16 92.0 365 574 63.6 4370 273.1 7.6 24 12
2011-12 Houston 10 96.8 178 292 61.0 2479 247.9 8.5 15 6

Those are Matt Schaub's #'s since being a NFL starter. Hardly pedestrian. He also put those numbers up with a decent O-line up until a couple years ago when they become really good.

2008-09 NY Giants 16 86.4 289 479 60.3 3238 202.4 6.8 21 10
2009-10 NY Giants 16 93.1 317 509 62.3 4021 251.3 7.9 27 14
2010-11 NY Giants 16 85.3 339 539 62.9 4002 250.1 7.4 31 25
2011-12 NY Giants 16 92.9 359 589 61.0 4933 308.3 8.4 29 16

Eli's numbers are VERY similar to those of Schaub, who up until this season had TERRIBLE defenses supporting him. Had Schaub stayed healthy this season, I believe that would be the team going to the Superbowl. Eli's had a solid defense, and a top tier pass rush for years now. I'll give you Ryan and Freeman, although Ryan is progressing nicely as a QB, he's still not at a level to win big games.

The only reason Eli can be higher than Schaub is cause he's played in bigger games and won. Outside of that, stats are very similar. Hopefully Houston is good for a foreseeable future, because I think Schaub has the same clutch factor Eli has, he just hasn't gotten into those games, which looking at the stats, isn't really his fault.

Just to make things clear, here is my list of QB's:

1)Brees
2)Brady
3)Rodgers
4)Manning (unsure of future with his neck)

After that it's really a toss up between Eli, Schaub, Big Ben, Romo, and Rivers. I personally like Big Ben next, but you can argue any of those guys as 5. This season though, it's Eli. Career? Toss up. I also think in the next couple years, Stafford and Bradford will be up near this list. Stafford was finally healthy this season and played amazing. Don't know if he can do it next season, but something with 30TD's and 15 INT's isn't out of the realm. Bradford was hurt too. We'll see with him though, but what you have seen is a guy that can play QB as a rookie at a high enough level.

Anyone want to guess which QB has these career #'s? My bet is you'll have a hard time thinking who it is.

Career 99 96.6 1672 2592 64.5 20834 210.4 8.0 149 72

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I really think whomever wins the NFC will win it all.

Seeing how much our gameplan improved v GB the second time I'm encouraged that the D can hold SF under 20 if O doesn't turn it over.

I'm worried about our Offense. I felt fine during the first game but if they're amped up like vs NO it'll harder. The key to me is that Eli & the WR are on the same page when SF blitzes. We have to take advantage there. Manningham has to make plays. Ballard has to rebound.

It will help ST a lot if Ginn doesn't play.

NO TURNOVERS ON O

Ugh, nervous. Seems everyone is picking us. We don't perform as well in games we should win.

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