And youre entitled to your opinion that the signing is something other than tally ho with the status quo.
But you really have nothing to base that on.
I on the other hand, have Pinocchio's record of player acquisitions over the last two seasons.
This is just more of the same.
So now my opinion that Potter being signed to an 800K deal for two years is a low risk move is 'baseless', yet your opinion that it guarantees another lottery pick next year is informed?
I really don't know what to say.
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Some people just like to complain for the sake of being complaining on this board.
Potter for 2 years at under a million a season is a decent deal. He's been alright for us this year. Is he what we need on D? No... but he's a depth guy that every team needs, and a pretty good one at that.
Foster, Fraser, Sutton (who has actually been decent), Barker, Vandermeer (didnt mind him either), etc, etc, garbage in, garbage out, garbage in again. Your efforts to defend the worst management team in the entire league and the farce they foist onto the paying fans (some of the highest ticket prices in the league btw) are both sad and quite frankly disappointing.
As long as there are blind faith boosters then the powers that be really dont have any impetus to change.
I actually like Potter and am happy for him that he gets a good payday after toiling for so long in the minors. But that isnt what this is about imo.
Wasn't Barker playing well except for the play he broke his ankle and marchand skated past and scored? What assets do we trade, and for which defenceman that wants to come here and stay?
And you consider 825k a big payday? Sometimes people let their blind hate get in the way of solid thinking
Reminds me a lot of our original Staios contract. At worst, he's a 6th d-man making a bit more than what a 6th should. At best, he's a second pairing d-man (and he's still young enough and has shown moments of great ability to become that) on a steal of a deal.
Credit where credit is due. Good signing, Tambo.
Though I hope this isn't a "feel-good" precursor to a Hemsky or Omark trade...I have an ominous feeling about the timing of this one.
So now my opinion that Potter being signed to an 800K deal for two years is a low risk move is 'baseless', yet your opinion that it guarantees another lottery pick next year is informed?
I really don't know what to say.
If you want to discuss this honestly, then Im all for it. If you just want to keep repeating the same thing over and over again, while trying to couch what I am saying into simple and unfavourable terms, then Im not really interested.
I asked you a question about four exchanges ago, yet for some reason youve decided to ignore it. How is this signing any different than what Tambellini has done the last two years?
Wasn't Barker playing well except for the play he broke his ankle and marchand skated past and scored? What assets do we trade, and for which defenceman that wants to come here and stay?
And you consider 825k a big payday? Sometimes people let their blind hate get in the way of solid thinking
Its a big payday for Potter, probably four or five times what he is used to. At least. Its peanuts for the Oilers. What assets do we trade? How about Hemsky for starters?
Its a big payday for Potter, probably four or five times what he is used to. At least. Its peanuts for the Oilers. What assets do we trade? How about Hemsky for starters?
So what? hes earned his way onto an NHL roster, even one as terrible as this and deserves to get paid for it
Oh and trade hemsky for who? a #1 defense man? I hear those grow on trees and are traded for injury riddled under performing not caring wingers who haven't had a good season since 2007,
If i were you id worry about the fact that pronger, souray and now potter all wore #44 ..incoming trade request.
I don't mind this signing too much, however we still need to upgrade the D. I'm still not 100% sold on Potter TBH. If he bombs and we have better options we shouldn't hesitate to send him to the farm.
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If you want to discuss this honestly, then Im all for it. If you just want to keep repeating the same thing over and over again, while trying to couch what I am saying into simple and unfavourable terms, then Im not really interested.
I asked you a question about four exchanges ago, yet for some reason youve decided to ignore it. How is this signing any different than what Tambellini has done the last two years?
Eric Belanger - Filled a hole that was created by Lowe years ago, length is questionable, is played in very questionable situations.
Colin Fraser - 4th line centre, not very good, traded for marginally better player.
Ryan Jones - Certainly not bad.
Ben Eager - 4th line player, signed as such, length is certainly questionable
Darcy Hordichuk - 4th line player, signed as such, no risk.
Ladislav Smid - 3-4 D, has improved dramatically, 2 year deal.
Kurtis Foster - 5-6 D, not very good, traded for marginally better player.
Cam Barker - Overpaid for one year, injured long term, absolutely no risk.
Corey Potter - Signed on the advice of his previous coach, has certainly done what was asked of him, and has been asked to play big minutes in injury relief.
Have I missed anyone signed in the last two years?
Foster, Fraser, Sutton (who has actually been decent), Barker, Vandermeer (didnt mind him either), etc, etc, garbage in, garbage out, garbage in again. Your efforts to defend the worst management team in the entire league and the farce they foist onto the paying fans (some of the highest ticket prices in the league btw) are both sad and quite frankly disappointing.
As long as there are blind faith boosters then the powers that be really dont have any impetus to change.
I actually like Potter and am happy for him that he gets a good payday after toiling for so long in the minors. But that isnt what this is about imo.
This is a thread about a Corey Potter signing. You likened Potter to a BORDERLINE NHLer. Then you talk about signings unrelated to this signing to hark on management for no reason and in the wrong place.
Then you accuse ME of defending management (which I have not done in this thread), the ONLY reason management was brought up was because posters such as yourself find it reasonable to poison every thread with your pessimism regarding management.
What's really sad here? You have 20,000+ posts that are probably 80% complaining about management. Why do you follow the Oilers so much if they do nothing but make you frustrated? Do you just enjoy harking on "blind faith" posters that much?
So what? hes earned his way onto an NHL roster, even one as terrible as this and deserves to get paid for it
Oh and trade hemsky for who? a #1 defense man? I hear those grow on trees and are traded for injury riddled under performing not caring wingers who haven't had a good season since 2007,
If i were you id worry about the fact that pronger, souray and now potter all wore #44 ..incoming trade request.
You asked me what assets I would trade. I said start with Hemsky. I dont know what his market value is or what players might be available.
Should I just randomly start listing some names?
But youre right, doing nothing seems like the best course of action, I mean, just because other teams around the league are making deals to address their needs and are trying to improve, doesnt mean we can/should.
You asked me what assets I would trade. I said start with Hemsky. I dont know what his market value is or what players might be available.
Should I just randomly start listing some names?
But youre right, doing nothing seems like the best course of action, I mean, just because other teams around the league are making deals to address their needs and are trying to improve, doesnt mean we can/should.
Oh yes, lets go and trade for Thomas Kaberle! Blair Jones! Dont tell me we missed out on Luca Caputi! the big trades of January!. Theres no trades going on and we fit in with the 26 teams that haven't made a move this month
Eric Belanger - Filled a hole that was created by Lowe years ago, length is questionable, is played in very questionable situations.
Colin Fraser - 4th line centre, not very good, traded for marginally better player.
Ryan Jones - Certainly not bad.
Ben Eager - 4th line player, signed as such, length is certainly questionable
Darcy Hordichuk - 4th line player, signed as such, no risk.
Kurtis Foster - 5-6 D, not very good, traded for marginally better player.
Cam Barker - Overpaid for one year, injured long term, absolutely no risk.
Corey Potter - Signed on the advice of his previous coach, has certainly done what was asked of him, and has been asked to play big minutes in injury relief.
Have I missed anyone signed in the last two years?
I didnt ask for a list of players and an analysis of them. I asked how is this signing any different from what Tambellini has been doing for the last couple of years?
In my mind it isnt. Just more of the same. Maybe Potter steps up and becomes a player like Jones did? Maybe he doesnt? Nothing against the guy, I just dont how Tambo deserves a pat on the back for signing a guy that nobody else wanted. Surely that cant be that hard to do? And most likely, it isnt going to make much difference at the end of the day. They seem to be content with drafting the difference makers, which is ok, but I think he needs to do more than that, and signing/trading for fringe nhl'ers if this team has aspirations of climbing out of the basement.
If you are only relying on the draft, then its going to be a very long road, and you may get sidetracked along the way.
Oh yes, lets go and trade for Thomas Kaberle! Blair Jones! Dont tell me we missed out on Luca Caputi! the big trades of January!. Theres no trades going on and we fit in with the 26 teams that haven't made a move this month
You asked me what assets I would trade. I said start with Hemsky. I dont know what his market value is or what players might be available.
Should I just randomly start listing some names?
But youre right, doing nothing seems like the best course of action, I mean, just because other teams around the league are making deals to address their needs and are trying to improve, doesnt mean we can/should.
You admit that you don't know his market value. So how do you properly judge and assess if Tambellini is using his assets (Hemsky) correctly? You claim that doing nothing is a knock on Tambellini yet you can't offer even an estimation of what he SHOULD be doing.
Answer me this, what would garner a higher value? Trading Hemsky now? Or trading Hemsky at the trade dead-line. Any fan who isn't blinded with pessimism will say TRADE DEADLINE. Yet, the trade deadline hasn't hit and you are criticizing Tambellini for not doing something right now regarding a Hemsky trade (which is EXACTLY what he should be doing).
Sell your hate somewhere else, your the only one buying.
Oh yes, lets go and trade for Thomas Kaberle! Blair Jones! Dont tell me we missed out on Luca Caputi! the big trades of January!. Theres no trades going on and we fit in with the 26 teams that haven't made a move this month
I didnt ask for a list of players and an analysis of them. I asked how is this signing any different from what Tambellini has been doing for the last couple of years?
In my mind it isnt. Just more of the same. Maybe Potter steps up and becomes a player like Jones did? Maybe he doesnt? Nothing against the guy, I just dont how Tambo deserves a pat on the back for signing a guy that nobody else wanted. Surely that cant be that hard to do? And most likely, it isnt going to make much difference at the end of the day. They seem to be content with drafting the difference makers, which is ok, but I think he needs to do more than that, and signing/trading for fringe nhl'ers if this team has aspirations of climbing out of the basement.
If you are only relying on the draft, then its going to be a very long road, and you may get sidetracked along the way.
We all know that there are needs that have to be addressed.
You claimed that this signing specifically assures us of a "tank" next year, and you basis is what Tambo has done the last two years. I provided a list of his signings the last two years, which you claimed to be your evidence that your assertion on the Potter signing was correct.
People claim that this is a no risk signing with good value and you seem to think those same people suddenly want to erect a statue of Tambellini outside of Rexall. It is a minor depth signing of a player that seems to play good enough within his role and can fill a spot while our corp of young D can develop if need be. If he slips to 8th or 9th in the depth chart in 18 months, what harm is done?
This is a thread about a Corey Potter signing. You likened Potter to a BORDERLINE NHLer. Then you talk about signings unrelated to this signing to hark on management for no reason and in the wrong place.
Then you accuse ME of defending management (which I have not done in this thread), the ONLY reason management was brought up was because posters such as yourself find it reasonable to poison every thread with your pessimism regarding management.
What's really sad here? You have 20,000+ posts that are probably 80% complaining about management. Why do you follow the Oilers so much if they do nothing but make you frustrated? Do you just enjoy harking on "blind faith" posters that much?
Corey Potter was drafted in 2003. He had nine nhl games in five years of pro hockey before coming to Edmonton. That is the definition of a "borderline" nhl player.
Not going to respond to the other rabble as its pretty much flaming.
I would be interested in knowing how long you have been following this team.
Some of us have had enough, and arent content with watching incompetent boobs trying to right all the wrongs they have made over the last ten years.
Are you really listing the trades made in the last nine days as an excuse not to do anything?
I'm fine with nothing happening when there is nothing happening anywhere else, teams are deciding if they will be making a run for the playoffs and require help, and if they aren't not so they can sell help
Tambo has been here for 2 years, stop taking your Lowe hatred out on him. I've been following this team since 1997, so I've seen nothing but failures aside from a breif 05/06.
I only listed trades because you are the one who stated other teams are trying to improve, There has been 17 trades since the season started, The only player of note? Kyle turris. Thats the highest profile player whose been moved, a 35 point center
In no way, or at any point during his post did he even closely say something that would indicate that he's fine with the status quo. He just has some sense and realizes that moves will be made when the time is right. It's called perspective, he has it, you don't.
I would be interested in knowing how long you have been following this team.
Some of us have had enough, and arent content with watching incompetent boobs trying to right all the wrongs they have made over the last ten years.
Are you really listing the trades made in the last nine days as an excuse not to do anything?
He never once said he was "fine with the status quo", which now seems to be your assertion for anyone that doesn't view things in the same light you do.
In no way, or at any point during his post did he even closely say something that would indicate that he's fine with the status quo. He just has some sense and realizes that moves will be made when the time is right. It's called perspective, he has it, you don't.
Corey Potter was drafted in 2003. He had nine nhl games in five years of pro hockey before coming to Edmonton. That is the definition of a "borderline" nhl player.
Not going to respond to the other rabble as its pretty much flaming.
And yet he's DEVELOPED into a 0.5 PPG defenseman that can OBVIOUSLY play (if you watch him instead of looking at his history). He was also identified by Tom Renney (a real NHL coach) as having the right stuff to try out and make the team.
You typified my posts as "sad" then you have the balls to accuse me of flaming? Good god man, look in the mirror before you say things.
We all know that there are needs that have to be addressed.
You claimed that this signing specifically assures us of a "tank" next year, and you basis is what Tambo has done the last two years. I provided a list of his signings the last two years, which you claimed to be your evidence that your assertion on the Potter signing was correct.
People claim that this is a no risk signing with good value and you seem to think those same people suddenly want to erect a statue of Tambellini outside of Rexall. It is a minor depth signing of a player that seems to play good enough within his role and can fill a spot while our corp of young D can develop if need be. If he slips to 8th or 9th in the depth chart in 18 months, what harm is done?
Im saying that this signing is consistent with what Tambellini has done pretty much since the spring of 2010. Not sure why that is such a contentious issue. The last two years we finished last, we should be in the neighborhood this year. This signing to me is an indication that we are headed in the same direction.
Unless you have something to show otherwise, Im not expecting us to be going after a Suter or a Weber anytime soon, or any other nhl player with a pulse that may be sought after by more teams than just the Oilers. If Im wrong, it wouldnt be the first time, but I dont see any reason to think that it will go any other way, and seeing posters jump all over another poster for suggesting the same, well, lets just say that unfortunately, that is the way this place operates, and has operated every since I came here.
