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01-11-2012, 12:00 PM
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Out of all the players in the League, you REALLY think the Rangers and Washington will trade with each other for a big time goal scorer? The last trade didnt work out so well for Washington (see Jagr)
It actually worked out great for them. They got rid of a guy that wanted out and that move played part in them drafting Ovechkin.

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01-11-2012, 12:13 PM
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Not a fit.


It's funny hearing Rangers fans **** on Semin though when he basically eliminated them twice from the playoffs

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01-11-2012, 12:21 PM
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Not a fit.


It's funny hearing Rangers fans **** on Semin though when he basically eliminated them twice from the playoffs
Not sure I see the humor.

He could be the only reason the Rangers were eliminated from the PO's and it still wouldn't amount to a hill of beans when assessing his fitting in with this Rangers team or not.

What he did in the PO's is akin to having Teets on a Bull

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01-11-2012, 12:23 PM
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Sorry, Rangers don't want a lazy, overpaid, gutless, heartless, pansy.

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01-11-2012, 12:24 PM
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The NYR have the best record in the league, barring significant injuries, why would they mess with a good thing? Even if they did, I don't see the Caps-NYR pulling off a deal together.

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01-11-2012, 12:25 PM
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Sorry, Rangers don't want a lazy, overpaid, gutless, heartless, pansy.
If they change their minds, I know Pancakes Penner is available

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01-11-2012, 12:28 PM
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Sorry, Rangers don't want a lazy, overpaid, gutless, heartless, pansy.
Did that turn-around rocket in OT lose you a big bet or something?

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01-11-2012, 12:29 PM
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If they change their minds, I know Pancakes Penner is available
Lol.

Im sure Torts would love a player that injures himself stuffing his face with fatty breakfast food.

Realistically, Rangers would be interested in a LW with size, grit, and energy, as well as good character off the ice.

Tuomo Ruutu
Shane Doan

That kind of player.

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01-11-2012, 12:31 PM
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For reasons noted above, thanks but no thanks do not want.

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Not a fit.


It's funny hearing Rangers fans **** on Semin though when he basically eliminated them twice from the playoffs
Speaking of players who perform against the Rangers and no one else, want to bring up John Druce while you're at it?

Basically, it doesn't matter what he did against the Rangers. We've been down the road of bringing in Ranger killers before (see: Driver, MacLean, Ferraro, Verbeek, Malakhov, Stevens, Gomez) and the only ones that have worked out for us were Verbeek and Ferraro, so the results speak for themselves, as does Semin's reputation of being an inconsistent and lazy player.

Talent means **** if you don't apply yourself consistently. See: Alexei Kovalev.

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No idea why we're even discussing this, since Semin has a 6.7M cap hit and NYR are at the cap themselves...

Put it this way: they'd have to send Wolski and ANOTHER salary dump.

Washington wants Semin's salary off the books after this season, so they'd want to trade for futures. Doesn't really work.

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01-11-2012, 01:55 PM
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Sorry, Rangers don't want a lazy, overpaid, gutless, heartless, pansy.
Then why did you claim Avery off of waivers from Dallas?

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01-11-2012, 02:42 PM
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No idea why we're even discussing this, since Semin has a 6.7M cap hit and NYR are at the cap themselves...

Put it this way: they'd have to send Wolski and ANOTHER salary dump.

Washington wants Semin's salary off the books after this season, so they'd want to trade for futures. Doesn't really work.
At the deadline, Semin's salary will be prorated to below 2M, so the Rangers could afford him without a salary dump.

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01-11-2012, 02:56 PM
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Just like Dustin Penner when the Kings traded a 1st + a prospect for him last February?

At the deadline, Semin's salary will be prorated to below 2M, so the Rangers could afford him without a salary dump.
And that trade worked out so great for LA! It really strengthens your arguement to use it as a baseline for another trade!

Also - the Rangers would have to be $2M under the salary cap for the first 60 games or so to be able to handle Semin's $6.7M contract at the deadline. Not sure where they are at, but if they ran close to the cap, they would have to "move" similiar salary back to Washington. And since Semin's a UFA on 7/1, it's not like it's in WASH best interest to downgrade just to "free up the salary", because the salary thing is already going to happen if they don't want to resign Semin.

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And that trade worked out so great for LA! It really strengthens your arguement to use it as a baseline for another trade!

Also - the Rangers would have to be $2M under the salary cap for the first 60 games or so to be able to handle Semin's $6.7M contract at the deadline. Not sure where they are at, but if they ran close to the cap, they would have to "move" similiar salary back to Washington. And since Semin's a UFA on 7/1, it's not like it's in WASH best interest to downgrade just to "free up the salary", because the salary thing is already going to happen if they don't want to resign Semin.
My point with Penner was that GMs are far more willing to overlook supposed character issues than those of us on HFBoards. Penner was a much more serious case, considering his current coach was badmouthing him to the media, and his price was still high. He turned out to be a total head case, but that's a risk that GMs are apparently willing to take.

According to capgeek, the Rangers are currently just over 2.5M from the cap. With the prorating over the season means that the Rangers could add just under 5.5M today without having to shed salary. Barring other trades, they'll be able to add Semin at the deadline without shedding salary.

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01-11-2012, 03:15 PM
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It's funny hearing Rangers fans **** on Semin though when he basically eliminated them twice from the playoffs
Similarly, it's funny hearing Caps fans praise him when he basically eliminated them twice from the playoffs.

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Similarly, it's funny hearing Caps fans praise him when he basically eliminated them twice from the playoffs.
...what? I'd love to hear an explanation.

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01-11-2012, 03:30 PM
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...what? I'd love to hear an explanation.
In Washington's last 2 playoff round losses, Semin has 1 goal and 3 assists in 11 games. Sure it's an exaggeration, but so was the one I was responding to.

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In Washington's last 2 playoff round losses, Semin has 1 goal and 3 assists in 11 games. Sure it's an exaggeration, but so was the one I was responding to.
Two years ago Halak stood on his head and basically no one but Ovechkin and Backstrom could score. Last year all our PMD were injured against Tampa and as a result, we couldn't beat their neutral zone trap. We couldn't generate sustained offense, and nobody could score. Neither of those were his fault.

In the other 4 series, he's been a point per game player, with 11 goals and 15 assists in 26 games. That's pretty dominant. Maybe he didn't single handed sink the Rangers, but he had a pretty big hand in helping us win those series and in forcing Philly and Pittsburgh to 7 games.

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Why the hell would the Rangers want Semin at the deadline? He'd cost a ton, isn't a big game player,.
just wondering....did you see any of the rangers v caps playoff series last season?
Semin scored the OT game winner in game 1. Big game? In game 4 in New York behind 3-0 in the 3rd period Semin scored the first goal on a solo effort/second effort goal. big game? In game 5 he scored the clinching goal on a 2 on 1 off a saucer pass that didnt hit the ice. Big game?

remember a couple seasons before that. the rangers and caps played a 7 game playoff series. fedorov scored the winner in a 2-1 game. the other goal for washington was scored by alex semin. was that a big game? the caps were behind 3 games to 1 in that series. Semin scored in each of the three wins to win that series. all big games.

not that i think the caps trade semin to the rangers, but if there is a coach outside of washington that thinks semin is a big game player, its probably tortarella

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Rangers should stay far, far away.

Should be looking for character guys, if anything... otherwise, stand pat. Look at guys like Kelly and Peverley.

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Two years ago Halak stood on his head and basically no one but Ovechkin and Backstrom could score. Last year all our PMD were injured against Tampa and as a result, we couldn't beat their neutral zone trap. We couldn't generate sustained offense, and nobody could score. Neither of those were his fault.

In the other 4 series, he's been a point per game player, with 11 goals and 15 assists in 26 games. That's pretty dominant. Maybe he didn't single handed sink the Rangers, but he had a pretty big hand in helping us win those series and in forcing Philly and Pittsburgh to 7 games.
I'm glad that you're happy with him. He wouldn't be a player I would want loading up for a playoff run.

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I'm glad that you're happy with him. He wouldn't be a player I would want loading up for a playoff run.
I guess you'd rather have a proven playoff warrior like Jokinen?

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I really do not see the Rangers targeting Semin. Not only does he not fit into Tortorella's style of two way hockey, he is extremely lazy. Torts expects all of his players to work exceptionally hard. Semin would spend a period of each game on the bench due to lack of effort.

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I guess you'd rather have a proven playoff warrior like Jokinen?
If turkey girl is unavailable.

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