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01-11-2012, 10:33 AM
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What about Tuomo Ruutu as a rental player? I know he is listed as a center but can he play as a winger? We have made some trades with Carolina in the past so I guess it could work for the right price. He is the only upcoming free agent forward that I would trade for. Of course we could get Parise / Ryan / Nash /Weber or Suter but we would need to pay a lot.

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Ughh not much of a fan of Murray's deadline deals.

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Put this elsewhere, but maybe it belongs here.

I wonder if Nash/Parise could be had for Foligno, Puempel, Noesen, 2012 1st (so 4 1st rounders). Nash does carry a larger hit
than I'd like, but he is Nash. Parise will get the same type of contract.

We'd still have depth coming and Nash or Parise would be an impact player with Spezz and Michalek.

I'd even include Lee as a 5th 1st rounder to get it done.

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Put this elsewhere, but maybe it belongs here.

I wonder if Nash could be had for Foligno, Puempel, Noesen, 2012 1st (so 4 1st rounders).

We'd still have depth coming and Nash would be an impact player. I'd even include Lee as a 5th 1st rounder.
I'm thinking the Columbus GM would be run out of town on a rail for trading the face of their franchise for a bunch of no-names.

I hate to say it, but it's one of those Leaf fan deals where they offer a whole bunch of their 2nd tier prospects.

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What about Tuomo Ruutu as a rental player? I know he is listed as a center but can he play as a winger? We have made some trades with Carolina in the past so I guess it could work for the right price. He is the only upcoming free agent forward that I would trade for. Of course we could get Parise / Ryan / Nash /Weber or Suter but we would need to pay a lot.
He's one of the more likely rentals I see us going after.

I think if all we did up to the deadline was add rental T. Ruutu. We wasted something to get him.

At the end of the day Euge may be in their ear saying get me 2 rounds...$$$

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I think Gleason, would help a lot. Would probably have him with Gonchar pushing Cowen and Phillips to 5-6,

This looks decent to me:

Kuba Karlsson
Gleason Gonchar
Cowen Phillips
That would be a ridiculously deep defensive corp. I'm sure we'd have to give up a major prospect though in order to get Gleason or even a 1st rounder. I can see his services starting a bidding war.

I'm all for picking up Gleason, Jokinen or Ruutu (if he can play wing).

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Put this elsewhere, but maybe it belongs here.

I wonder if Nash could be had for Foligno, Puempel, Noesen, 2012 1st (so 4 1st rounders).

We'd still have depth coming and Nash would be an impact player. I'd even include Lee as a 5th 1st rounder.
That deal starts with Zibanejad.

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That's why I wouldn't be interested in him at all...unless it costs very little.

If we want anything substantial and long-term, Zibanejad is the one people will be asking for. Better make it count, or sit on your hands.
i think murray will try (already trying?)to make a trade sooner than later to add a LW. condra and greening are great, but...
and then a dman at the deadline

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Ugh, so much for the rebuild.

Part of rebuilding is making sure your young guys get the necessary experience.

Bringing in veterans for a playoff run doesn't help in that respect.

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Ugh, so much for the rebuild.

Part of rebuilding is making sure your young guys get the necessary experience.

Bringing in veterans for a playoff run doesn't help in that respect.
seriously? stop over reacting. Murray has given the boys every chance to challenge for spots.


it would be a slap in their face if he didnt actively look for some young talent to help them out. He owes them to atleast explore ways to bolster the lineup for a playoff run.

adding a young player goes right in with the rebuild.

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That deal starts with Zibanejad.
Pretty much. Quality over quantity.

We also don't have a 2nd rounder this year, so I really don't want Murray to compete to be the highest bidder for a rental.

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Ugh, so much for the rebuild.

Part of rebuilding is making sure your young guys get the necessary experience.

Bringing in veterans for a playoff run doesn't help in that respect.
alfie's time is running out. if we are in the playoffs, you give them the best chance. no one is going to giveup on the rebuild and trade all the prospects away. but there are some extra pieces that could be moved and lots of cap room. it's one or two guys. the young guys will still have their spots and get the experience.

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seriously? stop over reacting. Murray has given the boys every chance to challenge for spots.

it would be a slap in their face if he didnt actively look for some young talent to help them out. He owes them to atleast explore ways to bolster the lineup for a playoff run.

adding a young player goes right in with the rebuild.
Parise and Nash aren't exactly young.

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Ugh, so much for the rebuild.

Part of rebuilding is making sure your young guys get the necessary experience.

Bringing in veterans for a playoff run doesn't help in that respect.
We still don't know what type of move(s) this would mean but yeah, you can assume it probably won't be something that meshes with the rebuild like the Turris deal did.

First and foremost I hope we'd be surveying the league for RFAs that teams can't afford.

Don't think young guys getting experience will be much of an issue, if we get into the playoffs they will be getting a lot more experience then we were expecting just 2-3 months ago. We should be playing with house money in the playoffs... I'd just stay the course and let what happens happen. If there's a deal that helps us long-term...get at it.

What's stopping the owner from requesting an attempt to get into the 2nd round just to make a bit more coin in a year where salary budget was expecting a lottery finish?

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alfie's time is running out. if we are in the playoffs, you give them the best chance. no one is going to giveup on the rebuild and trade all the prospects away. but there are some extra pieces that could be moved and lots of cap room. it's one or two guys. the young guys will still have their spots and get the experience.
If this is what the goal is, then we should stop throwing around names like Parise, Ryan and Nash in this thread.

If those names continue to come up, then you're going to put the rebuild in jeopardy because it's going to cost a significant part of it to get them.

But these "young players" that we can apparently pick up with giving up the farm, I'm not sure if this is going to be anything more than a lateral move at best.

You have the media talking about the incredible team atmosphere and the contributions they are getting from the depth of our line-up, and now we're going to upset all that in a gamble that someone else will fit in better.

Turris was acquired early enough into the season in my mind. Hopefully that's it.

A steady d-man would be nice, but again, the market for steady d-men for playoff teams is always a seller's paradise.

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Pretty much. Quality over quantity.

We also don't have a 2nd rounder this year, so I really don't want Murray to compete to be the highest bidder for a rental.
Contingent on a Parise signing of course. I'd think for a moment on Zibanejad if our top 9 next year was

Nash/Parise - Spezza - Michalek
Silfverberg - Turris - Alfredsson
Greening - Smith - Condra

(Regin - Winchester - Neil
Butler, Stone)

I'd think about it if we had that for 5 years (Alfredsson replaced in a few of course) with Stone, Hoffman, Pageau et al on the way. Probably want a 2nd coming back if we subbed in Zimba though.

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Imagine if we were able to add Nash....We'd go from a rebuilding team to a 'almost' cup contending team within a year lol

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Imagine if we were able to add Nash....We'd go from a rebuilding team to a 'almost' cup contending team within a year lol
I don't see how he would help how terrible we are in our own zone.

He's a big body and a battler, but it's our D's ability to contain opposing forwards that is our Achilles heel right now.

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Parise and Nash aren't exactly young.
Parise and Nash arent realistic unless we get Parise via free agency. And they are close to Spezza in age so it isnt terrible...Ryan is even younger but he too is a bit of a stretch

More than likely it is a player like Galiardi or another young big forward

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If this is what the goal is, then we should stop throwing around names like Parise, Ryan and Nash in this thread.
i don't think any of those 3 are realistic possibilities. i agree we should stop throwing those names around (although i don't think i ever mentioned them. other than the maclean comment)

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I don't see how he would help how terrible we are in our own zone.
You can't deny that the Sens would get WAY more respect than they currently have.

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I can't believe people would want Gleason back. The guy didn't want to play for Ottawa. Forget about him. He doesnt' even add anything we don't already have, other than some depth.

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Our D isn't nearly set to contend for a Cup. It would make way more sense to just wait it out and develop our forwards IMO.

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You can't deny that the Sens would get WAY more respect than they currently have.
It would be splashy and exciting.

Nash would get the centre he always wanted. It could be a great fit.

It will definitely cost a lot.

But my biggest issue is that Columbus is in a unique position in that they have dwindling attendence and can't simply give away their only noteworthy player for guys no one in Ohio has ever heard of.

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I foresee an Aucoin and Whitney package from our buddies in Phoenix.

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