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01-13-2012, 12:53 PM
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When both players are in stagnation, Schenn brings more to the table. What does JVR do when he doesn't put up points? He's invisible.
What does Schenn do besides keep people from putting up points?

Whether you're dealing with positive integers or a lack of negative integers the end result is the same.

Also, healthy JVR is a very good defensive player with the speed and reach to backcheck with the best of them.

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That is the risk with JVR.
With JVR there's a risk he won't get significantly better.
With Schenn we KNOW he won't get significantly better.

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No immediate impact, hasn't really improved unless you pro-rate his stats this year (has to do with injury of course), and his contract extension poses a large risk if he doesn't break out.
He certainly has improved. You could tell early this season before injury.

And his contract is not bad compared to many 50-point forwards in the NHL, and it's only 0.65m more than we'd be paying Schenn to play third pairing minutes.

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Schenn would be a beast in the playoffs in my opinion, while JVR would be a detriment to any playoff team with his hip problems.
Call me when Schenn is a beast in the playoffs and JVR isn't...

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JVR potential in terms of trade value is lessened because of all these factors.
Then we'll keep him. So stop negotiating to lessen his value. Trading low is pretty stupid anyway.

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The Leafs want to make the playoffs make a good run. Why give up Schenn+ if it deters from that goal?
Alright. We'll see you in the playoffs then?

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Question Chris. How long do we have to wait before we start deciding when JVR reached his potential or how much it is? 5 years? 6? Say he continues to play like he has this season for the next 2 years. Do we start to worry or is he still "only 24" at that point?
Call me when he's actually 24. You guys panic on this board like it's going out of style.

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01-13-2012, 12:57 PM
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Lol Toronto fans are hillarious. We really want your player, but he isn't "that" good. How about Aulie and a second, how about kadri.
who said we "really want" JVR? the #1 need the leafs has is a #1C. are we making proposals for giroux? No.

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01-13-2012, 12:59 PM
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who said we "really want" JVR? the #1 need the leafs has is a #1C. are we making proposals for giroux? No.
That fad went out of style a couple months ago.

Don't worry. All fads come back.

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01-13-2012, 01:03 PM
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What does Schenn do besides keep people from putting up points?

Whether you're dealing with positive integers or a lack of negative integers the end result is the same.

Also, healthy JVR is a very good defensive player with the speed and reach to backcheck with the best of them.
Don't be silly. You and I both know Schenn brings more to the table when both are invisible. Being a shutdown defenceman and being invisible is part of the job anyways. When Schenn isn't keeping people from scoring, he's providing a physical presence along the boards and sending great outlet passes in the transition game.

Don't overrate JVR's defensive qualities. Everyone knows that he's raw in that aspect. Sure he has the tools, but he isn't "very good" as you say he is.

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With JVR there's a risk he won't get significantly better.
With Schenn we KNOW he won't get significantly better.
There's a risk he won't produce this year with his injury, there's a risk he won't produce in the next 6 years with a 4.25M price tag on him. Potential isn't the only risk but I see why you keep choosing to ignore it.

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He certainly has improved. You could tell early this season before injury.

And his contract is not bad compared to many 50-point forwards in the NHL, and it's only 0.65m more than we'd be paying Schenn to play third pairing minutes.
Sure he's improved. Part of his development.

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Call me when Schenn is a beast in the playoffs and JVR isn't...
Again, this year it doesn't look like JVR will be anything close to what he was in the playoffs last year.

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Then we'll keep him. So stop negotiating to lessen his value. Trading low is pretty stupid anyway.

Alright. We'll see you in the playoffs then?
How am I negotiating? I'm telling you why his value is lower than you think. Trading low is stupid unless Homer is desperate for a defenceman and bites on a trade.

See you in the playoffs.

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01-13-2012, 01:04 PM
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With JVR there's a risk he won't get significantly better.
With Schenn we KNOW he won't get significantly better.

Call me when Schenn is a beast in the playoffs and JVR isn't...

First, how exactly have you determined this? Because his stats how little progress from last year to this? Isnt that the same as someone else in this quote?

I'd hardly call the beast mode comments fair considering Schenn hasnt seen the playoffs. That isnt a slight against him, it's against his team.

Both of these statements are ignorant and are only said to try and support your desire to hold onto JVR.

Why don't we just start saying Adam Burish is better then Shane Doan in the Stanley Cup finals??

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Don't be surprised if Burke meets with Schenn today. If deal doesn't go down soon, I expect Burke will tell Luke its not happening.
Doesn't mean it's about JVR though...

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Both of these statements are ignorant
JVR has been outstanding in the postseason before whereas Schenn has not even really been there.

It is widely believed that Schenn possesses very little in terms of growth potential from his current state whereas JVR has plenty of potential yet to be realized, whether it is eventually realized or not.

One of those is a fact. The other is a widely believed and held opinion.

I don't know where the ignorance comes in.

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and are only said to try and support your desire to hold onto JVR.
I think I made it clear from the beginning that I would like to hold onto JVR.

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01-13-2012, 01:09 PM
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did anyone see my post?

deal isn't happening because burke thinks schenn is apparently worth more than jvr and jvr can be had for picks/prospects

ahahahahahahhhhh i hate general managers

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did anyone see my post?

deal isn't happening because burke thinks schenn is apparently worth more than jvr and jvr can be had for picks/prospects

ahahahahahahhhhh i hate general managers
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Dude, shut the **** up.

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did anyone see my post?

deal isn't happening because burke thinks schenn is apparently worth more than jvr and jvr can be had for picks/prospects

ahahahahahahhhhh i hate general managers
When did he say that?

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When did he say that?
“The rumour of the week plots Luke Schenn included in a package for van Riemsdyk. The facts tell us, while those discussions are believed to have taken place, there have been no solid offers made by either team and Schenn most definitely hasn’t been offered.”

"As Dreger explains, Burke has simply inquired about the personnel value of van Riemsdyk."

"In short, JVR for Schenn is not in the works and Schenn has not been offered to the Flyers."

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“The rumour of the week plots Luke Schenn included in a package for van Riemsdyk. The facts tell us, while those discussions are believed to have taken place, there have been no solid offers made by either team and Schenn most definitely hasn’t been offered.”

"As Dreger explains, Burke has simply inquired about the personnel value of van Riemsdyk."

"In short, JVR for Schenn is not in the works and Schenn has not been offered to the Flyers."
So where is your link?

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“The rumour of the week plots Luke Schenn included in a package for van Riemsdyk. The facts tell us, while those discussions are believed to have taken place, there have been no solid offers made by either team and Schenn most definitely hasn’t been offered.”

"As Dreger explains, Burke has simply inquired about the personnel value of van Riemsdyk."

"In short, JVR for Schenn is not in the works and Schenn has not been offered to the Flyers."
Dreger

Now, if the Flyers exhaust their search for premier defenceman and learn the likes of Ryan Suter or Shea Weber aren't available, it's likely Paul Holmgren will more seriously engage in trade talks with Brian Burke. Toronto, without question would include Schenn in a trade if JVR is the return.

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So where is your link?
i posted it on the last page

right here:

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“The rumour of the week plots Luke Schenn included in a package for van Riemsdyk. The facts tell us, while those discussions are believed to have taken place, there have been no solid offers made by either team and Schenn most definitely hasn’t been offered.”

"As Dreger explains, Burke has simply inquired about the personnel value of van Riemsdyk."

"In short, JVR for Schenn is not in the works and Schenn has not been offered to the Flyers."
How did you get from that that Burke only wants to give up picks/prospects for JVR?

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Now, if the Flyers exhaust their search for premier defenceman and learn the likes of Ryan Suter or Shea Weber aren't available, it's likely Paul Holmgren will more seriously engage in trade talks with Brian Burke. Toronto, without question would include Schenn in a trade if JVR is the return.
that's dreger's opinion

which contradicts what he just said about burke

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How did you get from that that Burke only wants to give up picks/prospects for JVR?
who the **** else are they going to give up for him?

keith aulie? franson? gunnarsson?

komisarek? phaneuf?

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i posted it on the last page

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who the **** else are they going to give up for him?

keith aulie? franson? gunnarsson?

komisarek? phaneuf?
So in other words you made it up.

Also, I'd rather trade Schenn than Gunnarsson.

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who the **** else are they going to give up for him?

keith aulie? franson? gunnarsson?

komisarek? phaneuf?
I think Gunnarson is a better player than Schenn.

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I think Gunnarson is a better player than Schenn.
so basically jvr for aulie or franson and maybe a pick/prospect on top of that


our defense gets so much better...

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JVR has been outstanding in the postseason before whereas Schenn has not even really been there

It is widely believed that Schenn possesses very little in terms of growth potential from his current state whereas JVR has plenty of potential yet to be realized, whether it is eventually realized or not.

One of those is a fact. The other is a widely believed and held opinion.

I don't know where the ignorance comes in.



I think I made it clear from the beginning that I would like to hold onto JVR.
It's ignorant because from someone like you, being a staff writing I'd expect to see objectivity as opposed to only posting statements that support your claims.

By 'Outstanding in the post season before' you mean JUST last year where he had 7 Goals, ZERO assists in 11 games, was a -3? Or the year he was 3G, 3A, -4 in 21 games? Sure he scored alot last year, but zero assists, what does that tell you about his play? If he wasnt doing it himself, he was a none factor. he had a good 11 games out of 32 in the playoffs, hardly what I'd consider a proven playoff preformer. He has improved, but lets not be near sighted and simply look at a small amount of games.

Widely believed? By who, where does it say that?

The ignorance comes in because widley believed opinion without any kind of source to support your claim which positively influences your argument in your favour, while only using an 11 game sample as an indication to decide that JVR has tonnes of potential and Schenn has no more beyond what he current is, is most certainly ignorant.

Try a little objectivity for once, we all know you have a huge man crush for JVR, but lets look at things a little more rationally shall we.

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so basically jvr for aulie or franson and maybe a pick/prospect on top of that


our defense gets so much better...
Franson as been playing as well as Schenn and Komisarek has been better than Schenn since he's come back. Who knows how Homer thinks?

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I think Gunnarson is a better player than Schenn.
You're not alone in your assessment.

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You're not alone in your assessment.
If Gunnarsson was being traded for JVR, I would be extremely pissed. I know Burke is smarter than that though.

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