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04-29-2012, 04:23 PM
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For anyone who's interested...here's a pretty neat entry draft guide from the main prospect boards


http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1179903

Good stuff - thanks.

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I'd like to see Martin Frk go to the Blues. Just because he plays for the closest team to where I live and one of the few decent/good players I actually get to watch regularly.

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OT: Just read a little on the Koekoek family's history. Epic sadness.

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If things hold, it'll be the 25th pick. If Caps come back to eliminate the Rangers then the 24th.

The Sharks get a compensatory at 55, so if the Rangers win another round it's the 56th pick but if the Rangers get knocked out this round it's the 54th pick.

But also if the Devils get past the Flyers, they would likely opt to take their first round penalty this year, thus bumping up the Blues 2d round pick to 53d or 55th (depending on the Rangers).

Top 100 Picks:
If the Rangers and Devils advance: 25, 55, 66, 85.
If the Rangers and Flyers advance: 25, 56, 67, 86.
If the Caps and Devils advance: 24, 53, 66, 84.
If the Caps and Flyers advance: 24, 54, 67, 85.

Yes I know the Blues aren't technically out yet. If things hold.

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http://thehockeywriters.com/jaynen-r...h-big-upside/I want this guy! Ok he's going to need a power skating course or two, but we can work on that.

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http://thehockeywriters.com/jaynen-r...h-big-upside/I want this guy! Ok he's going to need a power skating course or two, but we can work on that.
Something is not right with that link lol

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Something is not right with that link lol
Did it redirect you to a 2009 article as well?

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Did it redirect you to a 2009 article as well?
Yes it did.

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I think this is the one he wanted.

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05-04-2012, 02:17 AM
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So does anyone think we could see Armstrong try to trade up in the 1st round? If so, who would be good trading partners, and which prospects would be targeted?

Also, I've heard a lot of contradicting reports...but who in this years draft do you guys consider NHL ready talent?

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They need to shoot for the stars really. We have the assets to obtain a really high pick without dismantling the team. Why not go for it if it's available? It's not priority, but it is important to better the team and prospect pool.

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They need to shoot for the stars really. We have the assets to obtain a really high pick without dismantling the team. Why not go for it if it's available? It's not priority, but it is important to better the team and prospect pool.
If they have assets to burn, I think they should use them to augment the product already on the ice. Dumping them into a draft pick is a gamble that likely won't pay off in a truly significant way for years, if ever.

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If they have assets to burn, I think they should use them to augment the product already on the ice. Dumping them into a draft pick is a gamble that likely won't pay off in a truly significant way for years, if ever.
Which is why I mentioned priority. We all know the defense needs help and will/should be the easiest to address. Scoring is second. If we can get into the top 5 as well, I'd do it. There's some serious talent to be had in this draft.

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They need to shoot for the stars really. We have the assets to obtain a really high pick without dismantling the team. Why not go for it if it's available? It's not priority, but it is important to better the team and prospect pool.
The only way I do see them going for it is if they think they can truly obtain a player of immediate help. The question is who are those players and do we have the necessary assets to trade for such a pick? Otherwise, we obviously just stay put or use our pick in a package player deal.

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If they have assets to burn, I think they should use them to augment the product already on the ice. Dumping them into a draft pick is a gamble that likely won't pay off in a truly significant way for years, if ever.
If we could obtain someone like Morgan Rielly...I think it would pay off real quick. That said, Rielly probably isn't very realistic. But you never know which picks might be available if we showcase the right assets. It's been predicted that this draft will be one of the busiest trade drafts in a long time. I just hope Army can work his magic, and get in on some of the action.

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I suppose time will tell, but my gut says that if the Blues are moving major pieces this summer it will be for a roster upgrade.

Of course, if they can't find a dance partner for that type of deal and they're hell-bent on moving said assets, then I think they would probably explore any option they can. Anything is possible at this point.

I would be very surprised, though, if they attempt to augment their defense for next year through this year's draft.

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I suppose time will tell, but my gut says that if the Blues are moving major pieces this summer it will be for a roster upgrade.

Of course, if they can't find a dance partner for that type of deal and they're hell-bent on moving said assets, then I think they would probably explore any option they can. Anything is possible at this point.

I would be very surprised, though, if they attempt to augment their defense for next year through this year's draft.
Good points, what do you think about possibly trading up to try to acquire someone like Radek Faksa? From what I've heard, there's a good chance he falls somewhere around the #10 spot.

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So does anyone think we could see Armstrong try to trade up in the 1st round? If so, who would be good trading partners, and which prospects would be targeted?

Also, I've heard a lot of contradicting reports...but who in this years draft do you guys consider NHL ready talent?
Sure. Army could try to trade up...or down, or just stick where the Blues' pick is. Who knows. I doubt Army or any of the scouts even have a clue on that yet.

Trading partners? Again, nobody's going to know at this stage of the game. Same with who the Blues might want to target.

There are likely a handful of prospects who will be in the NHL but the Blues aren't likely to get any of them. You talk of trading up to approx. 10th overall to select Faksa in another post but the Blues will likely end up with something like the 25th overall pick. Going from 25ish to 10 almost never happens. It would likely take multiple trades. I could see them possibly moving up to around 20th if there's a kid they're high on still available then but moving up to 10th isn't very realistic.

The bottom line is that I think the Blues will draft like they normally do and that it's highly that anyone the Blues draft this summer plays in the NHL anytime soon. The changes the Blues need for next season will have to come from free agency, trades and adding rookies like Tarasenko and Schwartz.

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Sure. Army could try to trade up...or down, or just stick where the Blues' pick is. Who knows. I doubt Army or any of the scouts even have a clue on that yet.

Trading partners? Again, nobody's going to know at this stage of the game. Same with who the Blues might want to target.

There are likely a handful of prospects who will be in the NHL but the Blues aren't likely to get any of them. You talk of trading up to approx. 10th overall to select Faksa in another post but the Blues will likely end up with something like the 25th overall pick. Going from 25ish to 10 almost never happens. It would likely take multiple trades. I could see them possibly moving up to around 20th if there's a kid they're high on still available then but moving up to 10th isn't very realistic.

The bottom line is that I think the Blues will draft like they normally do and that it's highly that anyone the Blues draft this summer plays in the NHL anytime soon. The changes the Blues need for next season will have to come from free agency, trades and adding rookies like Tarasenko and Schwartz.
Good post, and I pretty much agree. I was just trying to think of possible scenarios where we would trade up to acquire an impact player in the draft but like you said it seems rather unlikely. Also, I'm not very optimistic about the free agent market. I think guys like Suter, Garrison, Etc are going to be severely overpaid. JMHO

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Just from the stand-point of getting a potential future LHD (even if it may be 2-4 years down the road), I wouldn't be upset hearing the Blues call one of these guys names on draft day:

Hampus Lindholm, Brady Skeji, Esa Lindell, Mikko Vainonen, Zakhar Arzamastsev, Ludvig Bystrom

The d-prospects currently in the system are a little underwhelming compared to what we've seen in the past 5-6 years. Ponich, Edmundson, Fairchild, Hakanpaa, Cundari, Shields & Beukeboom may produce exactly ZERO full-time NHL'ers...it's time to replenish the system. I'd be fine with 7 d-men drafted this year, and hope for a home-run.

(though bpa is always the way to go...even if that means 7 forwards are taken)


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Huh. I can't find anything about Koekkoek's history. He's a prospect that I really want the Blues to get, so I'm curious: what is his family history?

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Just from the stand-point of getting a potential future LHD (even if it may be 2-4 years down the road), I wouldn't be upset hearing the Blues call one of these guys names on draft day:

Hampus Lindholm, Brady Skeji, Esa Lindell, Mikko Vainonen, Zakhar Arzamastsev, Ludvig Bystrom

The d-prospects currently in the system are a little underwhelming compared to what we've seen in the past 5-6 years. Ponich, Edmundson, Fairchild, Hakanpaa, Cundari, Shields & Beukeboom may produce exactly ZERO full-time NHL'ers...it's time to replenish the system. I'd be fine with 7 d-men drafted this year, and hope for a home-run.

(though bpa is always the way to go...even if that means 7 forwards are taken)
Matheson has better upside than Skjei and is much less boom or bust. MM was really highly touted coming into the USHL this year but struggled at the beginning of the year and that is when most scouts start forming their opinions about where his draft status would be espcially a kid coming out of midget in Quebec. If you have a slow start and the Central Scouting guys only see you a handful of times the rest of the season your ranking is going to suffer.

Matheson would be a steal at #25.

I've talked about this kid a lot and have seen him in person 10 times. He's going to be a great player and hopefully stays the collegiate route and heads to BC.

Here's a good article on him:

http://www.dubuquefightingsaints.com...ry.php?sid=454

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i'm sure it has been mentioned, but if either are out there, it would be kinda fun to draft either lukas sutter or tim bozon

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i'm sure it has been mentioned, but if either are out there, it would be kinda fun to draft either lukas sutter or tim bozon
I like Sutter too. He's big already at 6'1" 203 lbs. a defensive player who relishes the physical part of the game. He's projected to go in the 2nd round. http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=41755. Do we have 2 2nd rounders this draft?

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