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05-14-2012, 05:48 PM
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I like Sutter too. He's big already at 6'1" 203 lbs. a defensive player who relishes the physical part of the game. He's projected to go in the 2nd round. http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=41755. Do we have 2 2nd rounders this draft?
Nope, but we do have two third rounders...1st round we pick 25th, 2nd 56th, and 3rd round we pick 67th and 86th. Like a few others mentioned, it would be nice if we could trade up some spots in the first round with either Tampa or Buffalo who both have two picks(T-10,19 B-12,21).

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Nope, but we do have two third rounders...1st round we pick 25th, 2nd 56th, and 3rd round we pick 67th and 86th. Like a few others mentioned, it would be nice if we could trade up some spots in the first round with either Tampa or Buffalo who both have two picks(T-10,19 B-12,21).
The Devils will almost certainly forfeit their first rounder this year from the Kovalchuk mess, bumping up by one spot those last three picks.

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I like Sutter too. He's big already at 6'1" 203 lbs. a defensive player who relishes the physical part of the game. He's projected to go in the 2nd round. http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=41755. Do we have 2 2nd rounders this draft?
The Blues have two 3ds in this draft, two 2ds in next year's draft. Hope Ottawa finishes dead last!

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Just from the stand-point of getting a potential future LHD (even if it may be 2-4 years down the road), I wouldn't be upset hearing the Blues call one of these guys names on draft day:

Hampus Lindholm, Brady Skeji, Esa Lindell, Mikko Vainonen, Zakhar Arzamastsev, Ludvig Bystrom

The d-prospects currently in the system are a little underwhelming compared to what we've seen in the past 5-6 years. Ponich, Edmundson, Fairchild, Hakanpaa, Cundari, Shields & Beukeboom may produce exactly ZERO full-time NHL'ers...it's time to replenish the system. I'd be fine with 7 d-men drafted this year, and hope for a home-run.

(though bpa is always the way to go...even if that means 7 forwards are taken)
Is Skjei considered a stay-at-home defensemen? I don't know much about him other than he's got good size, and he's going to Minnesota next year.

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Nope, but we do have two third rounders...1st round we pick 25th, 2nd 56th, and 3rd round we pick 67th and 86th. Like a few others mentioned, it would be nice if we could trade up some spots in the first round with either Tampa or Buffalo who both have two picks(T-10,19 B-12,21).
Is San Jose's 3rd round pick 67? That sounds kinda high.

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Is San Jose's 3rd round pick 67? That sounds kinda high.
It is the Anaheim 3rd rounder, so it is right. I do wonder if we'll consider packaging the 67th with our second to get a pick around 35-40 though.

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It is the Anaheim 3rd rounder, so it is right. I do wonder if we'll consider packaging the 67th with our second to get a pick around 35-40 though.
Thanks - I got my California teams mixed up.

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Is Skjei considered a stay-at-home defensemen? I don't know much about him other than he's got good size, and he's going to Minnesota next year.
From what little i have read about him is that his skating stands out. Some scouts have him as the best skater of the defensemen in the draft. He has good size but doesn't use it to his advantage as much as he could.

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From what little i have read about him is that his skating stands out. Some scouts have him as the best skater of the defensemen in the draft. He has good size but doesn't use it to his advantage as much as he could.
Welcome to the board and thanks for the writeup. I actually read up on him, as well, yesterday. Not sure what to make of him. Some say he doesn't stand out at all when you watch him, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Just not sure if it's a good thing either considering he'll likely go in the 1st. As you said, it sounds like he's not all that physical, and it seems he's projected to be more of a stay-at-home defensemen.

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05-17-2012, 11:23 PM
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Back when the Blues took Rundblad, I think more folks wanted and/or were expecting Jarmo to be high enough on Kreider to take him. Indeed, he went just two spots later. Now, it's an issue of having Kreider vs. Tarasenko, because had they taken Kreider instead of Rundblad, there would have been no need to rebalance from defense to forwards.

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1. Yakupov, Nail, LW 10/6/93 L 5.10.5 189 Sarnia OHL
2. Forsberg, Filip, RW 8/13/94 R 6.01 176 Leksands SweAl
3. Murray, Ryan, LD 9/27/93 L 6.00.5 201 Everett WHL
4. Grigorenko, Mikhail, RW 5/16/94 L 6.03.25 200 Québec QMJHL
5. Trouba, Jacob, RD 2/26/94 R 6.02 196 USA Under-18 NTDP
6. Dumba, Matt, RD 7/25/94 R 5.11.75 183 Red Deer WHL
7. Rielly, Morgan, LD 3/9/94 L 5.11.5 190 Moose Jaw WHL
8. Teravainen, Teuvo, LW, 9/11/94 L 5.11 161 Jokerit FinE
9. Ceci, Cody, RD 12/21/93 R 6.02.5 207 Ottawa OHL
10. Reinhart, Griffin, LD 1/24/94 L 6.03.75 207 Edmonton WHL
11. Gaunce, Brendan, C 3/25/94 L 6.02 215 Belleville OHL
12. Maatta, Olli, LD 8/22/94 L 6.01.5 202 London OHL
13. Collberg, Sebastian, RW 2/23/94 R 5.11 Vastra SweJE
14. Galchenyuk, Alexander, RW 2/12/94 L 6.00.5 198 Sarnia OHL
15. Kerdiles, Nicholas, C/L 1/11/94 L, 6.01.5 200 USA Under-18 NTDP
16. Faksa, Radek, LW 1/9/94 L 6.03 202 Kitchener OHL
17. Wilson, Thomas, RW 3/29/94 R 6.03.5 203 Plymouth OHL
18. Finn, Matthew, LD 2/24/94 L 6.00.25 195 Guelph OHL
19. Lindholm, Hampus, LD 1/20/94 L 6.02.5 196 Rogle SweJE
20. Aberg, Pontus, LW 9/23/93 R 5.11 187 Djurgarden SweE
21. Koekkoek, Slater, LD 2/18/94 L 6.02 184 Peterborough OHL
22. Pouliot, Derrick, D 1/16/94 L 5.11.25 186 Portland WHL
23. Laughton, Scott, C 5/30/94 L 6.00 177 Oshawa OHL
24. Girgensons, Zemgus, F 1/5/94 L 6.01.25 201 Dubuque USHL
25. Sissons, Colton, C/R 11/5/93 L 6.01 189 Kelowna WHL
26. Skjei, Brady, LD 3/26/1994 L 6.03 203 USA Under-18 NTDP
27. Thrower, Dalton, RD 12/20/93 R 5.11.25 189 Saskatoon WHL
28. Bystrom, Ludvig, LD 7/29/94 L 6.00.75 208 Modo SweE
29. Pelech, Adam, LD 8/16/94, L, 6.02 210 Erie OHL
30. Hertl, Tomas, LW 11/12/93 L 6.02 198 Slavia CzeE

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Back when the Blues took Rundblad, I think more folks wanted and/or were expecting Jarmo to be high enough on Kreider to take him. Indeed, he went just two spots later. Now, it's an issue of having Kreider vs. Tarasenko, because had they taken Kreider instead of Rundblad, there would have been no need to rebalance from defense to forwards.

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I remember being high on Kreider myself, but I understand that high school players are hard to judge.

I think Rundblad was a solid pick, even it was a bit of a head scratcher (for me) at the time.

You raise a good point however, and it will be interesting to watch how Tarasenko and Kreider compare during their NHL careers.

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Anyone else interested in trading up? I would rather trade up and get one guy that the Blues are really high on instead of BPA.

Also, is there any chance that the Blues could end up with Faksa? Would they have to trade up? Seems like the Blues are lacking in center depth right now in the prospects department.

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24. Girgensons, Zemgus, F 1/5/94 L 6.01.25 201 Dubuque USHL
25. Sissons, Colton, C/R 11/5/93 L 6.01 189 Kelowna WHL
26. Skjei, Brady, LD 3/26/1994 L 6.03 203 USA Under-18 NTDP
27. Thrower, Dalton, RD 12/20/93 R 5.11.25 189 Saskatoon WHL
28. Bystrom, Ludvig, LD 7/29/94 L 6.00.75 208 Modo SweE
29. Pelech, Adam, LD 8/16/94, L, 6.02 210 Erie OHL
30. Hertl, Tomas, LW 11/12/93 L 6.02 198 Slavia CzeE
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A lot of good options - I'm sold on Skjei, but Hertl is tempting.

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24. Girgensons, Zemgus, F 1/5/94 L 6.01.25 201 Dubuque USHL
25. Sissons, Colton, C/R 11/5/93 L 6.01 189 Kelowna WHL
26. Skjei, Brady, LD 3/26/1994 L 6.03 203 USA Under-18 NTDP
27. Thrower, Dalton, RD 12/20/93 R 5.11.25 189 Saskatoon WHL
28. Bystrom, Ludvig, LD 7/29/94 L 6.00.75 208 Modo SweE
29. Pelech, Adam, LD 8/16/94, L, 6.02 210 Erie OHL
30. Hertl, Tomas, LW 11/12/93 L 6.02 198 Slavia CzeE
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A lot of good options - I'm sold on Skjei, but Hertl is tempting.
I am guessing based on Jaskins, the Blues have scouted Hertl pretty well. Will be interesting to see if they pass on him.

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Skjei is the definition of a project. His skating is elite but his decision making and hockey sense has been knocked for a while. His stock is rising b/c he had a good U18's but keep in mind it's Trouba and Jones who really handle the load for that team.

Matheson has a much more projectable future with just as high an upside, IMO.

Though if Gergensons (who ISS has slipping all the way to 24...he broke his jaw in the USHL semi-finals and missed the rest of the playoffs) fell to 25, that would be a no-brainer in my opinion.

I could see the Blues trading up to get him as a matter of fact if he's still available in the low 20's.

We need a center, he's the total package, and I could see him being the Blues BPA at that point.

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Skjei is the definition of a project. His skating is elite but his decision making and hockey sense has been knocked for a while. His stock is rising b/c he had a good U18's but keep in mind it's Trouba and Jones who really handle the load for that team.

Matheson has a much more projectable future with just as high an upside, IMO.

Though if Gergensons (who ISS has slipping all the way to 24...he broke his jaw in the USHL semi-finals and missed the rest of the playoffs) fell to 25, that would be a no-brainer in my opinion.

I could see the Blues trading up to get him as a matter of fact if he's still available in the low 20's.

We need a center, he's the total package, and I could see him being the Blues BPA at that point.
For me, it's either Girgensons or Hertl at 25th overall... if both are gone, then I look hard at Stefan Matteau.

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Skjei is the definition of a project. His skating is elite but his decision making and hockey sense has been knocked for a while. His stock is rising b/c he had a good U18's but keep in mind it's Trouba and Jones who really handle the load for that team.

Matheson has a much more projectable future with just as high an upside, IMO.

Though if Gergensons (who ISS has slipping all the way to 24...he broke his jaw in the USHL semi-finals and missed the rest of the playoffs) fell to 25, that would be a no-brainer in my opinion.

I could see the Blues trading up to get him as a matter of fact if he's still available in the low 20's.

We need a center, he's the total package, and I could see him being the Blues BPA at that point.
I've read that a couple times too. The Blues seem to value hockey sense as much as any quality when it comes to the draft, at least with their high picks, so if Skjei doesn't have good hockey sense, I'd imagine he won't be the pick. Just my 2 cents

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For me, it's either Girgensons or Hertl at 25th overall... if both are gone, then I look hard at Stefan Matteau.
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With the workload and other events (sigh) I have dealt with this year, my draft knowledge has suffered greatly.

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I know he's not a centre, but if Pontus Åberg is still available when we pick I think you have to consider taking him. The kid is just super strong on the puck, crazy fast(maybe the fastest player in the draft), can play right or left side, and has an absolute wicked shot. He's also said to be very responsible in his own end, and only real knock is he's considered less of a playmaker and more of a sniper/finisher. He's also the only one of the Sweden's 3 "Berg" forwards who’s spent virtually the entire season in the Swedish Elite League.

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For me, it's either Girgensons or Hertl at 25th overall... if both are gone, then I look hard at Stefan Matteau.
I think Matteau is getting severely overrated. I've seen him a couple of times and he is a really poor skater and puck distributor. His strength is his shot and physicality but he was suspended 8 games or more twice in his USHL career...once for making physical contact with a linesman. You can say you like his compete level and spunk but there are times when he's been a total meat head during
his junior career. He has a reputation for being extremely undisciplined.

Mostly, I hate his skating.

I'm sure the scouts like that he's going to the Q next year after backing out of his commitment to UND. Though I applaud ISS for leaving him out of the top 30. Matteau was ineligible to play at the U18 World's.

None of those U18 forwards were much to write home about this season...Kerdiles is my personal favorite of the lot and jumped up to #15 on ISS's latest rankings after leading all Americans with 9 points (4g, 5a) in the U18 World's.

He's an excellent skater who is defensively responsible and a natural centerman so I could see the Blues brass taking a liking to him.

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I know he's not a centre, but if Pontus Åberg is still available when we pick I think you have to consider taking him. The kid is just super strong on the puck, crazy fast(maybe the fastest player in the draft), can play right or left side, and has an absolute wicked shot. He's also said to be very responsible in his own end, and only real knock is he's considered less of a playmaker and more of a sniper/finisher. He's also the only one of the Sweden's 3 "Berg" forwards who’s spent virtually the entire season in the Swedish Elite League.
I can't see a player with a write-up like that falling all the way to us in the mid 20s. BUT if he starts sliding, maybe trade up to get him?

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With the workload and other events (sigh) I have dealt with this year, my draft knowledge has suffered greatly.
Girgensons is a center, power-forward type, highly thought of by scouts and fans alike. He is a playmaker with a scorer's touch and nose for the net (49 GP, 24-31-55, plus-17, 69 PM, 5 PPG, 6 GWG for Dubuque of the USHL this year). He has committed to Vermont (ECAC), so the Blues can stash him there for as many as four years without having to pay him, and allow him to further develop on someone else's time and on someone else's dime.

Hertl, as was mentioned earlier, should be familiar to the Blues because he plays on the same team -- and occasionally, on the same line -- as 2011 draftee Dmitrij Jaskin. Hertl had a mild breakout season in the Czech Republic this year (12-13-25, plus-9, 22 PM, 3 PPG, 1 SHG in 38 games), putting up solid numbers as a 17-year-old playing second-line minutes in one of the top senior elite leagues in Europe.

Matteau is another "legacy" player for the Blues, like Philip McRae and BJ Crombeen. Kamloops forward Tim Bozon is another, and another player I'm keeping my eye on for the Blues. Matteau has the size and power forward game his father had, with a little more scoring touch and a lot more aggressiveness (15-17-32, 166 PM in 46 games with the USNTDP). I'm thinking, long-term, a new home-grown "French Connection" line for the Blues in about three years, with Matteau between Perron and 2011 draftee Yannick Veilleux.

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I think Matteau is getting severely overrated. I've seen him a couple of times and he is a really poor skater and puck distributor. His strength is his shot and physicality but he was suspended 8 games or more twice in his USHL career...once for making physical contact with a linesman. You can say you like his compete level and spunk but there are times when he's been a total meat head during
his junior career. He has a reputation for being extremely undisciplined.

Mostly, I hate his skating.

I'm sure the scouts like that he's going to the Q next year after backing out of his commitment to UND. Though I applaud ISS for leaving him out of the top 30. Matteau was ineligible to play at the U18 World's.

None of those U18 forwards were much to write home about this season...Kerdiles is my personal favorite of the lot and jumped up to #15 on ISS's latest rankings after leading all Americans with 9 points (4g, 5a) in the U18 World's.

He's an excellent skater who is defensively responsible and a natural centerman so I could see the Blues brass taking a liking to him.
I understand your concerns about Matteau, and share them to some extent. But I do like Matteau's compete level, and "meatheaded-ness" can be coached out of a player. Also, if you'll recall, David Backes was a pretty weak skater in college as well. Skating is a skill that can be developed if the player is willing to work hard enough at it, and in the QMJHL, Matteau will need to be able to skate in order to keep up. He has been training informally with his father and the Blainville-Boisbriand staff for the last couple of summers, so one would think that they've impressed this on him.

Kerdiles is on my radar as well, but I think he's likely to fall into the second round, and could even be gotten in the third. None of the USNTDP forwards this season were anything to write home about; the Big Three defensemen -- Trouba, Skjei and Sieloff -- overshadowed all the forwards, in my opinion.

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Skjei is the definition of a project. His skating is elite but his decision making and hockey sense has been knocked for a while.
By who, exactly? I don't recall seeing that listed as a concern in any of the scouting reports I've seen on Skjei.

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I can't see a player with a write-up like that falling all the way to us in the mid 20s. BUT if he starts sliding, maybe trade up to get him?
He could potentially be a steal if he falls mid-late first round. I honestly think he should be chosen in the 10-15 range, but since he missed out on the WJC's and had a few injuries this season...who knows he may fall much further than people think(Obviously people didn't think Tarasenko would be chosen 16th overall either). Here's a few small scouting reports and a link to more information on him in case you're interested.

"A speedy and unconventional talent who knows how to find his way through traffic."

"He seems to have a natural instinct when it comes to finding solutions even when his speed seems to be almost too much for himself. He has a quick and accurate release when firing the puck to the net and he is very creative in one-on-one situations."

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