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01-12-2012, 05:41 PM
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Ballard a healthy scratch tonight according to Murph. Hmmm.....

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That's pretty crazy risky alright, tempting however if we don't win the cup, we'll lose basically 4 roster players just like that.

If we are trading Ray, I'd hope to get a guy whose under contract for at least another year.
Ya, definitely super risky.

I'm just operating under the assumption maybe Ballard just needs to go; if he continues to be scratched or play auxiliary minutes his value is only going down, and his contract is horrendous. Apparently the coaching staff think you can replace him with nearly minimum salary players and not have a drop-off. Concerning.

We ditch him at the cost of Raymond, and also acquire two pieces (Ruutu and Gleason) pretty much tailor made for our playoff run (rough, tough, big).

For the record puckmonster, I'm viewing Ruutu as a third liner; I don't think he's a top six player. He is, however; a hard-nosed type with a scoring touch who would give Hodgson two puck-hounds as wingers (Ruutu/Hansen).

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01-12-2012, 05:44 PM
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Yes part 10....now you guys can listen to my rambling and remember this is in the offseason:

You know the more i think about it the more i am comfortable trading luongo. Not because i think schneider is better(still belive lui is) but i belive that with the assets we get from trading lui we would be a better team. If there is truth to the rumor from the start of the year that upper management is undecided which to go and it will depend on the playoffs, assuming lui falters i think he could be moved as we have seen AV and the nucks trust schneider to play the big games as much as they trust lui.

for example here's something i could see being done at the draft

To Tampa Bay:
Luongo
3rd

to Vancouver:
Downie
Connolly


reasons:
tampa: gives up a player in downie who can be replaced in FA and a top prospect to get a top5 goalie in the league

Vancouver: allows them to do the next deal

then after that:

To Nashville:
Connolly
Downie/hansen
Raymond
Ballard (cap purposes)

to canucks
Shea Weber

Reasons:
Nashville: Nashville does this because they get good young forwards in raymond and one of downie/hansen that can contribute to their forward core right away. They also get Connolly who can become a force for them and be a number 1 center in the near future. Ballard i said is a cap dump but if there is one team that can turn around a defensemen i think it would be Nashville

Vancouver: they get the #1 dman that the team is missing for so many years and cap space to help fill out any holes they are missing.

the canucks then have a roster of:

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Booth-Kesler-Higgins
????-Hodgson-Downie/Hansen
Weise-Lappy-Malhotra

Edler-Weber
Bieska-Hamhuis
Tanev-Salo (assuming no retirement)
Alberts

Schneider
Lack/veteran

So basically with just the two trades we would save about 4million in cap space assuming signing Weber long term at 7million to sign a 3rd line winger and a backup goalie before any cap increase which should be something like 2million

Out
Lui(5.1)
Ballard(4.1)
Raymond(2.5)
Total: 11.7

In
Weber (7)

net gain roughly 4 million
Why would Lu waive his NTC and move from a cup contender to a struggling defensive team? Their main issue isn't just Roloson, it's that their defense is about as sturdy as cheesecloth.

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01-12-2012, 05:48 PM
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Hodgson will be traded before Raymond.

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Hodgson will be traded before Raymond.
I'm willing to bet a lot of money Raymond gets traded before Hodgson.

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Ya, definitely super risky.

I'm just operating under the assumption maybe Ballard just needs to go; if he continues to be scratched or play auxiliary minutes his value is only going down, and his contract is horrendous. Apparently the coaching staff think you can replace him with nearly minimum salary players and not have a drop-off. Concerning.

We ditch him at the cost of Raymond, and also acquire two pieces (Ruutu and Gleason) pretty much tailor made for our playoff run (rough, tough, big).

For the record puckmonster, I'm viewing Ruutu as a third liner; I don't think he's a top six player. He is, however; a hard-nosed type with a scoring touch who would give Hodgson two puck-hounds as wingers (Ruutu/Hansen).
i love tuomo. but he is risky because injury prone. if healthy, he's a smarter, more offensively gifted torres.

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Ballard a healthy scratch tonight according to Murph. Hmmm.....


Mmmmmmmm I can't see why unless he has a minor injury. He's been great by his standards over the last 15 or so games.

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Why would Lu waive his NTC and move from a cup contender to a struggling defensive team? Their main issue isn't just Roloson, it's that their defense is about as sturdy as cheesecloth.
I can think of a few reasons.

1. Maybe he's tired of the constant bashing he gets from portions of this fanbase and media?
2. Tampa may not have a stellar defense but they have a stellar offense. And their goaltending has been a serious issue.
3. Closer to his wife's home.
4. If its the Canucks intention to go with Schneider as their #1, why would he want to stay?

I seriously don't think they are going to trade Luongo (barring an epic meltdown in the playoffs), but TB wouldn't be a bad choice for him if it were to happen.

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01-12-2012, 06:17 PM
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I can think of a few reasons.

1. Maybe he's tired of the constant bashing he gets from portions of this fanbase and media?
2. Tampa may not have a stellar defense but they have a stellar offense. And their goaltending has been a serious issue.
3. Closer to his wife's home.
4. If its the Canucks intention to go with Schneider as their #1, why would he want to stay?

I seriously don't think they are going to trade Luongo (barring an epic meltdown in the playoffs), but TB wouldn't be a bad choice for him if it were to happen.
Gillis has already gone on record multiple times that he won't ask Bobby Lu to waive his NTC. He earned it, whether many of you believe it or not. If Luongo couldn't deal with the media pressure in Vancouver you can bet that he would have got just as big of a payout from Philly, Tampa, etc at the time. He knew what he was getting into and he still signed for 12 years. If he gets tired of being 1a/1b with Schneider, then maybe, but he's also stated he wants Schneider to succeed in Vancouver and they're a tandem and treat each other as equals.

Edit: That's a collective 'you', not the specific 'you'.

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01-12-2012, 06:18 PM
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Why would Lu waive his NTC and move from a cup contender to a struggling defensive team? Their main issue isn't just Roloson, it's that their defense is about as sturdy as cheesecloth.
why because all said and done i don't think he wants to be a backup goalie. if he can go back to florida and be close to his wifes family i don't think that he would stay in the way if the canucks made it clear he was the backup to schneider now.

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I would hate to imagine what it would be like on here if Luongo was actually traded to Tampa. A few months of him playing amazing hockey behind a defensive system and everyone would be calling for Gillis' head. Unless he got something ridiculous like Stamkos.

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I'm willing to bet a lot of money Raymond gets traded before Hodgson.
Yeah, I'd throw down some cash on that as well

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I would hate to imagine what it would be like on here if Luongo was actually traded to Tampa. A few months of him playing amazing hockey behind a defensive system and everyone would be calling for Gillis' head. Unless he got something ridiculous like Stamkos.
No ****. Schneider hasn't played 30+ games in a season yet, and he struggled in that 8th start in a row against Nashville. I don't know if I have faith he can do 50+ starts plus playoffs. Not yet at least.

Give him another year, see how he handles 40 starts and then talk about trading Luongo. For now, Schneider has proven he's good for 25-30 games a season. Luongo has proven he can play 80 games (including playoffs), be a perennial Vezina candidate and Jennings winner. Remember when he was in talks for Conn Smythe? Yeah, you don't trade that.

Keep both, find another way to get Weber. Yes, that includes waiting till he becomes a UFA. If he wants to play for Vancouver, he'll play for Vancouver. He can sign a 1 year in Nashville and then PTFO like Hamhuis did.

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01-12-2012, 06:58 PM
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No ****. Schneider hasn't played 30+ games in a season yet, and he struggled in that 8th start in a row against Nashville. I don't know if I have faith he can do 50+ starts plus playoffs. Not yet at least.

Give him another year, see how he handles 40 starts and then talk about trading Luongo. For now, Schneider has proven he's good for 25-30 games a season. Luongo has proven he can play 80 games (including playoffs), be a perennial Vezina candidate and Jennings winner. Remember when he was in talks for Conn Smythe? Yeah, you don't trade that.

Keep both, find another way to get Weber. Yes, that includes waiting till he becomes a UFA. If he wants to play for Vancouver, he'll play for Vancouver. He can sign a 1 year in Nashville and then PTFO like Hamhuis did.
Schneider isn't going to get 40 games with Luongo as the #1, unless he gets injured.

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This would be the WORST way to aquire Weber.

Nashville would match that in a heartbeat. The best way to aquire Weber, if you're going to try through offersheet, is to make a one year offersheet of 7m/year. This way if Nashville matches, they can NOT trade him next season and then he becomes a UFA at the end of next season and this gives the Canucks the chance to aquire him without giving up assets (Aside from cap room they need to make, but those assets can at least be traded for picks, etc).

If Nashville does not match the Canucks offersheet, which is a VERY reasonable possibility as they could be very scared they would get absolutely nothing if they do match, then they get their draft picks which the Canucks would happily give up.

Giving Weber a 7 year contract offersheet does nothing but guarantee that Weber is a Predator for 7 years.
The same thing could be done to us with Cory Schneider...

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I know I've heard people mentioning Moen & Gill. I like the idea of getting these guys because they have Cup rings & add more experience while filling holes in our line up. They are also 2 guys that have gone through battles with the Bruins & I think that would help in case we have to face them again in the SCF.

It would be nice knowing their stats over the past few seasons against the Bruins.

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I know I've heard people mentioning Moen & Gill. I like the idea of getting these guys because they have Cup rings & add more experience while filling holes in our line up. They are also 2 guys that have gone through battles with the Bruins & I think that would help in case we have to face them again in the SCF.

It would be nice knowing their stats over the past few seasons against the Bruins.
Career numbers against Boston:

Hal Gill: 32pg 1g 6a 7pts -6
Travis Moen: 19gp 0g 5a 5pts +3

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Career numbers against Boston:

Hal Gill: 32pg 1g 6a 7pts -6
Travis Moen: 19gp 0g 5a 5pts +3
I don't know why it matters, if it comes down to the east I think NYR has more skill to get out of it than Boston does. They'll beat the **** out of each other first though.

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does keith ballard still have value to teams who want a offensive dman that could thrive in a different environment? this trade already looks bad on mike gillis.

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does keith ballard still have value to teams who want a offensive dman that could thrive in a different environment? this trade already looks bad on mike gillis.
It sure does...if you have 20/20 hindsight.

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Ballard most certainly has value. To a team with a glut of injuries in their Top 4 or just a plain lack of Top 4 D talent. Ballard is a good defenseman, he just needs more minutes and an environment in which he can succeed. NYI, Montreal, Columbus, Tampa, Colorado, Carolina, etc. Those teams haven't got a solid top 4 defense right now, and Ballard is likely intriguing to them. Depends what MGs asking price is.

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It sure does...if you have 20/20 hindsight.
There was me and a few other's who were against this trade since day one.

And I have fought many, many battles over this trade with countless of posters, with whom I do not want to ever get into ever again in my life.

Anyways why is Ballard scratched again? injured? or...

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If I'm Ballard I'm just about at the end of my rope and quietly asking for for a trade.

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There was me and a few other's who were against this trade since day one.

And I have fought many, many battles over this trade with countless of posters, with whom I do not want to ever get into ever again in my life.

Anyways why is Ballard scratched again? injured? or...
Most people who argued against the trade weren't happy because they liked Grabner, not because they didn't like Ballard. IMO it was the right move, and still is, despite Ballard's place.

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Grabner wasn't going to try anyway and would have been lost to waivers anyhow. At least we got something for it.

Not all trades pan out, thankfully MG righted the ship with the Booth trade.

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