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01-20-2012, 03:40 PM
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and then a pick to montreal for moen and we would be set.
plus we'd have a guy who is a proven scorer in regular, ot, and shoot out

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01-20-2012, 03:42 PM
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That defense sucks
And keith ballard is the one thing keeping it? Remember, Salo isn't in that line up either because he's injured but we're going to have to replace him too.

I'm just saying Keith Ballard is the only guy removed from that equation and I don't think he's the reason for our good defense.

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01-20-2012, 03:48 PM
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And keith ballard is the one thing keeping it? Remember, Salo isn't in that line up either because he's injured but we're going to have to replace him too.

I'm just saying Keith Ballard is the only guy removed from that equation and I don't think he's the reason for our good defense.
I'm saying, forget Parise and focus on defense. I like our forward depth at the moment.

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01-20-2012, 03:53 PM
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I'm saying, forget Parise and focus on defense. I like our forward depth at the moment.
With Parise we have two first lines, a second line and a solid third line going into the playoffs. This means we likely won't see another 8 goal in 7 game series.

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I guess this take Beauchemin off the list of wanted d-men.
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Getting Parise makes zero sense, because that means gutting our depth. We need more balance within the line-up, not more scoring.

We need guys who bring a dimension that is lacking on the team, see: Downie.

We need to sacrifice some speed to get some more physical prescence. We already have a guy like Booth and Hansen for the speed.

And another thing we need to focus on is getting a solid, stay-at-home RH type defenceman, see: Schenn.

If we can get these pieces on our team using Raymond, Ballard, prospects and picks, we need to highly consider it.

Right now, this team looks less balanced than last year. Last year we had a #1 defenceman in Ehrhoff and a gritty bruiser in Torres.

Say what you want in Torres, but he singlehandedly took out Thornton and Seabrook.

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01-20-2012, 03:55 PM
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Take Francois beachimin off the market

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Want more scoring depth? Milan hedjuk could be a nice fit

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I guess this take Beauchemin off the list of wanted d-men.
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01-20-2012, 04:02 PM
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I don't see why Gillis should worry about his goaltending more than his team defense or scoring...
At the deadline, team defense is probably the most important.

After the season, it's addressing the goaltending in a cap world and see what his options are.

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01-20-2012, 04:07 PM
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At the deadline, team defense is probably the most important.

After the season, it's addressing the goaltending in a cap world and see what his options are.
Goaltending is not a problem on this team, we have a luxury. We will either trade Schneider in the offseason or re-sign him at a cap hit near $3M per season. Our goaltending position will still carry a smaller % of cap allocation than it did a couple years ago when we went with Luongo and Raycroft.

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01-20-2012, 04:09 PM
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With Parise we have two first lines, a second line and a solid third line going into the playoffs. This means we likely won't see another 8 goal in 7 game series.
The plan shouldnt be that we need to score 30 goals while our goalie allows 28

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01-20-2012, 04:11 PM
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The plan shouldnt be that we need to score 30 goals while our goalie allows 28
But what happens if our current top line comes up lame in the playoffs again? The plan also shouldn't be to hope Luongo can carry our team with little offensive support either.

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Goaltending is not a problem on this team, we have a luxury. We will either trade Schneider in the offseason or re-sign him at a cap hit near $3M per season. Our goaltending position will still carry a smaller % of cap allocation than it did a couple years ago when we went with Luongo and Raycroft.
3M and moving Luongo is still around 1.5M in savings when you include a backup. Something that could be used to give Edler a raise or dropping a guy like Ballard + signing a big name player.

It's something they're going to have to look at. We also dont know if the cap is going to drop given that the current CBA expires.

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01-20-2012, 04:13 PM
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But what happens if our current top line comes up lame in the playoffs again? The plan also shouldn't be to hope Luongo can carry our team with little offensive support either.
That's the thing. We need to shore up the D. Having Ehrhoff back there trying to play defense was a joke. Especially with a bum shoulder. Hamhuis went down as well. Depth is required and another 20-25min horse. It easier to defend than score. I think rolling the dice on things such as chemistry between players to score goals is high risk at the deadline.

I'd rather have that than a guy like Parise.

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01-20-2012, 04:15 PM
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3M and moving Luongo is still around 1.5M in savings when you include a backup. Something that could be used to give Edler a raise or dropping a guy like Ballard + signing a big name player.

It's something they're going to have to look at. We also dont know if the cap is going to drop given that the current CBA expires.
Moving Luongo shouldn't be an option unless we are exploring moving a couple of our other vets too.

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01-20-2012, 04:16 PM
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Moving Luongo shouldn't be an option unless we are exploring moving a couple of our other vets too.
Not to mention I've never heard Mike Gillis ask or move a player with a NTC/NMC.
It just doesn't seem his style.

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01-20-2012, 04:17 PM
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Moving Luongo shouldn't be an option unless we are exploring moving a couple of our other vets too.
If you're suggesting that without Luongo, the Canucks may as well go into a rebuild I strongly disagree. He's not "the franchise". Far from it actually.

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01-20-2012, 04:19 PM
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If you're suggesting that without Luongo, the Canucks may as well go into a rebuild I strongly disagree. He's not "the franchise". Far from it actually.
We have TWO "franchise" forwards who dominated the regular season yet no-showed the SCF. Everyone talks about Luongo but doesn't hold our offense accountable. Offense was our problem, not goaltending.

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Not to mention I've never heard Mike Gillis ask or move a player with a NTC/NMC.
It just doesn't seem his style.
If Gillis has a move that will make the team better but won't even consider asking a player to waive his NTC in order to project a veneer of player friendliness, then he's not doing his job.

Obviously there are different ways to handle it. As long as it was done with the utmost respect and completely behind closed doors (i.e. if the player doesn't want to waive the public never hears about it) and with no pressure on the player, then it's something he has to consider.

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If you're suggesting that without Luongo, the Canucks may as well go into a rebuild I strongly disagree. He's not "the franchise". Far from it actually.
No he's not, but it's on the record that Him, the Sedins, Burrows, Kesler, Bieksa, Edler, and Salo are the core of the team. That was said before Hamhuis but I'm sure him and a few others would be added.

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I don't think it's possible (with a deal in mind) to ask a player to waive his NTC with no pressure.

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Not to mention I've never heard Mike Gillis ask or move a player with a NTC/NMC.
It just doesn't seem his style.
Mike Gillis may not have to ask. If Luongo is even perceived as having a meltdown people will be all over him. The people on Luongo's side get smaller with every failure, wether it's his fault or not. He might get tired of the constant media and fan bashing and want out on his own.

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If Gillis has a move that will make the team better but won't even consider asking a player to waive his NTC in order to project a veneer of player friendliness, then he's not doing his job.

Obviously there are different ways to handle it. As long as it was done with the utmost respect and completely behind closed doors (i.e. if the player doesn't want to waive the public never hears about it) and with no pressure on the player, then it's something he has to consider.
Q. You’ve seen how other GMs have dealt with players with no-trade clauses. How have you and how might you do things differently in discussions with those players at this time of the season?

MIKE GILLIS: Well, you know, having been on the player’s side for a number of years, I know that there is a quid pro quo that goes along with no-trade or no-movement clauses. The players are making a commitment to that city and team for a variety of reasons. There’s a price to be paid for that commitment and the security of not moving.

My philosophy has always been not to waive a no-trade clause. If a player comes to us and is dissatisfied or feels they might have a better opportunity elsewhere, obviously we would listen and try to accommodate those wishes.

But I am not going to ask a player to waive a no-trade. If we felt that there was dissatisfaction on the player’s part, we would perhaps discuss what his wishes would be. But that would be the extent of it.

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01-20-2012, 04:26 PM
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His contract is.

Gillis, the lawyer, honours nothing more than a contract he signed himself.
I think if Gillis could change one thing. He'd do that. More than the Ballard trade.

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