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01-12-2012, 07:27 PM
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For those that haven't noticed, Phillips' ice time has decreased...

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...Name=timeOnIce

And it's right where it should be to be effective.

He is currently playing on the bottom pairing and has for the past month or so, and he is 5th in average TOI/G on Ottawa for d-men. Only Lee and Carkner average less then Phillips.

Phillips is also 3rd for PK TOI/G as well.

I'm glad that Maclean is using Phillips effectively by having him on the 3rd pairing. Phillips was a great defenceman for us, but he is more effective playing 3rd pairing minutes like he is. Goes to show as well the depth we have on d with Cowen and Karlsson eating huge minutes....

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i think this has to do with cowen showing he is top 4 ready

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If Phillips ends his career here, is his jersey raised to the rafters?

I do feel the end of his contract will be his last season.

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I honestly think he's capable of playing on a 2nd pairing still. However, Phillips is most effective when given shutdown duties with another defensive defenceman (Cowen, Lee, or Carkner). A Phillips-Cowen pairing would work on the 2nd pairing, for example, and still be effective IMO. However, Cowen is just as capable of playing the same role as Phillips, but with better chemistry with offensive defencemen (Gonchar, Karlsson) than Phillips does. Note that Lee and Carkner are both bottom-pairing guys, while Gonchar and Karlsson are top-4 guys. That's the biggest difference to me.

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WHAT?? Phillips isn't that young bull that he once was?

Time to give him the Redden treatment

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and with this thread, he assisted on Spezza's goal. Good job.

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WHAT?? Phillips isn't that young bull that he once was?

Time to give him the Redden treatment
Get Sather to overpay him with a massive contract?

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WHAT?? Phillips isn't that young bull that he once was?

Time to give him the Redden treatment
Nowhere did I mention he was playing like garbage...

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One of my keys of success for the rebuild was how fast the vets could be pushed down the depth chart. Happening rather fast.

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Cowen's performance lets Phillips play the minutes that'll make him most effective?

Hard to argue with that. He's not a 25 minute guy, on skillset alone. Keep him fresh for when he's needed.

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Nowhere did I mention he was playing like garbage...
I know, just getting it in before the Phillips haters come crashing in.

But as others mentioned, if the younger guys are playing well then give them more ice time to develop.

Besides Phillips just got back from a mild concussion, so no need to give him a ton of minutes when Kuba and Karlsson have been eating up plenty and looking good doing it the last little while.

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If Phillips ends his career here, is his jersey raised to the rafters?

I do feel the end of his contract will be his last season.
Pretty sure I heard him say over the summer this won't be his last NHL contract (in his eyes.)

Can't provide a link but I'm 100% sure.

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If Phillips ends his career here, is his jersey raised to the rafters?
although I will admit I am on the "nice" side of putting players numbers up

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I honestly think he's capable of playing on a 2nd pairing still. However, Phillips is most effective when given shutdown duties with another defensive defenceman (Cowen, Lee, or Carkner). A Phillips-Cowen pairing would work on the 2nd pairing, for example, and still be effective IMO. However, Cowen is just as capable of playing the same role as Phillips, but with better chemistry with offensive defencemen (Gonchar, Karlsson) than Phillips does. Note that Lee and Carkner are both bottom-pairing guys, while Gonchar and Karlsson are top-4 guys. That's the biggest difference to me.
You have to take into consideration if they are right or left shooting defencemen to pair them up. Cowen & Phillips both shoot left & Gonchar & Karlsson both shoot right. Pairings are usually made up of one guy who shoots left & one guy who shoots right. I think Phillips next yr remains in the bottom pairing with less minutes as the young guys take up more & more minutes depending how many defencemen are re-signed.

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He has his flaws but I like him on the bottom pairing with carkner.

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That's Maclean doing a good job.

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You have to take into consideration if they are right or left shooting defencemen to pair them up. Cowen & Phillips both shoot left & Gonchar & Karlsson both shoot right. Pairings are usually made up of one guy who shoots left & one guy who shoots right. I think Phillips next yr remains in the bottom pairing with less minutes as the young guys take up more & more minutes depending how many defencemen are re-signed.
That too has an effect. I don't think it necessarily changes anything I've said though: I think Phillips still could handle second pairing duties, but there are more practical pairings for our top-4 right now.

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Interesting how the OP uses TOI but fails to provide the actual differentials.

Phillips is averaging ~40 seconds less a game than Cowen, very close to logging 20 minutes a game without any PP time. He is also 3rd in shifts/game.

Phillips also has the unenviable task of pairing with Carkner many games and MacLean is very careful with the amount of TOI Carks gets.

So while there is no doubt the future is with Karlsson and Cowen, Phillips is playing a very important role for the Sens and doing it very well.

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If Phillips ends his career here, is his jersey raised to the rafters?

I do feel the end of his contract will be his last season.
No. Why you ask?

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Can we make this into a "Phillips Jersey Retired?" Thread

I say no. Is dedication and playing your entire career with a team was the only credential you needed then perfect! But it's not. Unfortunately Phillips isn't that great.

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Phillips has stated that this contract will not be his last. I have no doubts that he'll want to sign in Ottawa, but it will be short term and for much less coin me thinks.

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Phillips has stated that this contract will not be his last. I have no doubts that he'll want to sign in Ottawa, but it will be short term and for much less coin me thinks.
He's a lifer, for sure... With Gonchar's contract expiring next season and kuba this, we'll have a need for Phillips for years to come.

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Phillips has stated that this contract will not be his last. I have no doubts that he'll want to sign in Ottawa, but it will be short term and for much less coin me thinks.
Probably not much less coin. He doesn't make very much now.

He has the 80th highest cap hit among defensemen in the league, out of 180 top 6 spots. And a significant number of D making less than him are young and will pass him soon (ie EK).

He is paid like a #4 D pretty much, and I'm sure would get the same on the market.

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Regarding if his # will be retired or not, I honestly have no idea. Since Daneyko got his # retired by the Devils, wouldn't it be possible for Phillips to get the same treatment with the Sens?

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Regarding if his # will be retired or not, I honestly have no idea. Since Daneyko got his # retired by the Devils, wouldn't it be possible for Phillips to get the same treatment with the Sens?
I'm not sure if they will retire the number but they might raise his sweater to the rafters. he is highly regarding in this community & it's not about numbers with him it's about his role with the team & in the community. Geez, Domi had his sweater raised to the rafters why not Phillips & Neil & I'm not really a fan of Phillips. Alfie on the other hand should get his sweater/number retired.

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