HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Atlantic Division > Montreal Canadiens
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

[MTL/CGY] Cammalleri, Ramo & 2012 5th for Bourque, Holland & 2013 2nd

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
01-13-2012, 07:33 AM
  #951
Ohashi_Jouzu
Registered User
 
Ohashi_Jouzu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Halifax
Country: Japan
Posts: 22,048
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sargent Pepper View Post
Now I recognize you, when you don't have any valid argument, its back to the personal insults.....that is SO YOU.....we can all easily pick you out in a crowd.....
Dude, I remain - to this day - the one who tends to use information in creating what is at least an informed argument, if not "valid". You continue to be the one who enjoys posting their opinion or take on a situation as that of the "popular" majority. Bolded is the second such example I've seen on this page, and I haven't even really checked since I'm still recovering from the shock that you're either a) still around, or b) back.

Ohashi_Jouzu is offline  
Old
01-13-2012, 07:34 AM
  #952
BLONG7
Registered User
 
BLONG7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Nova Scotia
Posts: 12,470
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sargent Pepper View Post
Who cares what outsiders think? have they seen cammie play the last two years? I am twice at the BC again this weekend (Ott and NYR) and I am glad I don't have to suffer another one of his numerous bad performances over the last two years....

I was a big fan when we got him.....but one year out of three playing at the level he is capable is garbage production.....and when he is not scoring, he is useless as he brings little else to the table.....
Gotta agree, Cammy has been awful and the softest player we have...a sniper, who when not scoring brings nothing to the team...

Then calls everyone out but himself? Glad he is gone, Bourque will get you as many points, and I would say is Eric Cole lite...we get bigger, and don't really lose any production, Cammy has been a 50 pt guy for us, not 80 as he was once in his career for Calgary.

BLONG7 is offline  
Old
01-13-2012, 07:34 AM
  #953
One Man Rock Band
Slater's Gonna Slate
 
One Man Rock Band's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Habville
Country: Canada
Posts: 44,611
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Habaneros View Post
I hope this doesn't blow your mind

How do you get 29 pts in 26 PLAYOFF games
in 2 years as a Hab, if you haven't been there?

As i said before try to replace that.....maybe Darche can score a few more eh?
I didn't say he hasn't been there, but good job on putting words in my mouth.

He also wasn't this putrid in the past two seasons. The Habs played him $6M to perform in the season and in the playoffs. I don't care if he performed a little worse in the season and amazing in the playoffs - if he we were guaranteed to make it. But the guy was floating all over the ice, never back-checked, and guess what, wasn't scoring either. He was a liability when he was on the ice this season.

So yes, without Cammalleri producing in the regular season, we were not going to make the playoffs. So don't throw playoff facts at me. I'm a huge Cammalleri fan but the guy was playing like absolute dog crap.

One Man Rock Band is offline  
Old
01-13-2012, 07:37 AM
  #954
Teufelsdreck
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 14,450
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by MM425 View Post
Cammalleri hasn't had a good season but I'm surprised how quick people are to forget his phenomenal playoff performances in his tenure here. What have you done for me lately, I guess.

As for the trade, I think we got pretty solid value for Cammy when you factor in salaries. Bourque is a solid forward at his contract and adds size. 2nd round pick is is nice as well.

Assuming he makes it there, I am optimistic with PG as the GM that we will go into fire sale mode at the deadline and he will pull the trigger on trades. We do have some decent assets we could move like A.K , Gill, Moen, Campoli that could yield good return, I think.
I think of those four only AK could yield a good return, and he's worth keeping to play with Eller. He's better than Bourque and he's younger. As for Cammalleri's playoff heroics, I remember them but I don't think he's capable of repeating them (at least not with the Habs, to judge from his play this season).

Teufelsdreck is offline  
Old
01-13-2012, 07:39 AM
  #955
habsjunkie2*
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 4,865
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by pjfanman View Post
It's instinct though...in the least, every fan needs to have 'hope'. After a couple of years with JFJ at the helm, that feeling was long gone. I won't say that every move Burke has made has been good..far from it. I will say that he has made the organization younger with a hell of a lot more depth.

The good news is, the next GM (hopefully for your sake) for the Habs will have a lot more pieces to work with compared to what Burke inherited. It can be turned around quickly if the right man is in place. From my perspective, PG is one of the worst GM's I've seen in a long, long time and he needs to be fired soon.
I don't really agree with this, but he's the wrong guy for us. This season has been bizarre move after bizarre move that no competent management team would do.

He fired Perry Pearn, the assistant coach early in the year, not the coach, but the assistant coach.

He traded for Kaberle, when most thought he was unmovable (wouldn't tell spacek where he was going ) lmao.

Then fires the head coach who he wouldn't fire initially, after only a few games with his newly acquired PP specialist.

Then he hires an All English coach (no problem here), but he should of anticipated the backlash. Then he announces to everyone "Don't worry he's only interim, he won't be here next year". Players are really suppose to take Randy Cunneyworth serious after that.

Then he trades Cammy during the 2nd intermission of a game for Rene Freaking Bourque, tells him to hop in a cab and go back to the hotel. According to tweets form James Duthie, still hadn't told cammy anything while we all knew where he was going.

The guy has made one failed decision after another. Still the fan base supports him loud and clear even though he's been nothing short of a train wreck this year.

IMO we were a playoff team that partly had it's season derailed due to injuries and some struggling players, but I don't think the trades/firings were in the best interest of the club. We simply had too much to overcome on the injury front and the gm panicked at every turn. I'm not completely impressed with our roster, but we're not as bad as we rank either. Gauthier seems to have missed the part where this team was injured like crazy.

These deals really are disheartening to me, because it shows that Geoff Molson hasn't completely lost faith in PG like I have and seems to indicate he will run this team going forward, unfortunate, but I'm use to it.


Last edited by habsjunkie2*: 01-13-2012 at 07:48 AM.
habsjunkie2* is offline  
Old
01-13-2012, 07:39 AM
  #956
Ohashi_Jouzu
Registered User
 
Ohashi_Jouzu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Halifax
Country: Japan
Posts: 22,048
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by BLONG7 View Post
Gotta agree, Cammy has been awful and the softest player we have...a sniper, who when not scoring brings nothing to the team...

Then calls everyone out but himself? Glad he is gone, Bourque will get you as many points, and I would say is Eric Cole lite...we get bigger, and don't really lose any production, Cammy has been a 50 pt guy for us, not 80 as he was once in his career for Calgary.
I still don't get this. What part of the pronoun "we" don't people understand? "WE are playing like losers" ... isn't that what we're all dwelling on here? Are there particular jabs at specific players that I'm missing here? I'm still in the information gathering stages here.

Ohashi_Jouzu is offline  
Old
01-13-2012, 07:43 AM
  #957
Habaneros
Habs Cup champs 2010
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 5,710
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by natey2k4 View Post
I didn't say he hasn't been there, but good job on putting words in my mouth.

He also wasn't this putrid in the past two seasons. The Habs played him $6M to perform in the season and in the playoffs. I don't care if he performed a little worse in the season and amazing in the playoffs - if he we were guaranteed to make it. But the guy was floating all over the ice, never back-checked, and guess what, wasn't scoring either. He was a liability when he was on the ice this season.

So yes, without Cammalleri producing in the regular season, we were not going to make the playoffs. So don't throw playoff facts at me. I'm a huge Cammalleri fan but the guy was playing like absolute dog crap.

You knew about Kopitar having 2 goals in 22 games recently..

So what Cammy had a little rough patch , the team was in TURMOIL.(fired coaches)..you expect that ..

Anyways , the joke continues on...

Habaneros is offline  
Old
01-13-2012, 07:44 AM
  #958
swimmer77
Post Oates
 
swimmer77's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: in water
Country: Czech_ Republic
Posts: 3,395
vCash: 500
I don't know what to think about the trade really. If the goal was to.........

1. Get rid of a struggling player (then there is more to get rid of mind you)

2. Get rid of a struggling player who called out his teammates.

Then I guess it's a good trade.

If the goal is to actually make the team better then I don't know. The Habs gained cap space. That's a plus for now until we see what happens to that. In the mean time I guess we can enjoy what cap space brings to the ice every game.

The Habs did get rid of a smurf but was it the right smurf? Obviously the other two are in no condition to be traded but still................

I can somewhat understand not waiting until the trade deadline to deal if PG really wanted Cammy gone. Suppose he would get injured?

In the end it's just another so, so move to be added to a bunch of so, so moves to cover up what turns out to be a disaster of setting the D up properly this past summer.

What really irritated me about Pierre Gauthier's comments was the one where he said something like.........."I'm not trying to make excuses but we are experiencing an injury year." No kidding Sherlock. It's been like that for the 4 last years, especially on D and you sign one of the injured and ill prepare the rest of the D. That's on you. Not the players and not Martin and not Cunneyworth. You, you idiot.

As for Bourque - how many suspensions are you allowed per year? And if you're suspended do they allow that cap space? j/k

For Cammalleri's ex-teammates I don't feel one bit sorry for them. He called them losers or whatever it was. But it was the truth, right? I heard the same thing from another player (different team) this year and the whole team didn't go in a corner and cry. Instead through the media they supported the teammate and manned up - "what he said is true".

I mean the Habs lost last night again, right? Lost = losing = loser

swimmer77 is offline  
Old
01-13-2012, 07:45 AM
  #959
Sargent Pepper*
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Country: St Pierre and Miquelon
Posts: 2,234
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Habaneros View Post
You knew about Kopitar having 2 goals in 22 games recently..
But Kopitar can do so much more than score during a game....which Cammie cannot....also, Kopitar has not gone 2 years without performing to his talent.....oh, and he does not fall on the ice each time and fly lands on his shoulder......

Sargent Pepper* is offline  
Old
01-13-2012, 07:48 AM
  #960
idk
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 348
vCash: 500
While I don't think the trade is bad per se (although the Flames get the better player, Mike C. never lived up to the hype he generated upon signing and this season has been out and out dismal - Bourque can at least backcheck when he's not scoring, and the flip of a second for a fifth's not too shabby either) I think it's the wrong trade. Could we not have grabbed one of their second tier prospects and maybe another pick instead of Bourque? I guess with Gionta out you need to keep some offensive punch in the lineup, but I would've been happy dressing Leblanc in Cammalleri's place and getting younger. That's how you retool.

idk is offline  
Old
01-13-2012, 07:49 AM
  #961
Habaneros
Habs Cup champs 2010
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 5,710
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sargent Pepper View Post
But Kopitar can do so much more than score during a game....which Cammie cannot....also, Kopitar has not gone 2 years without performing to his talent.....oh, and he does not fall on the ice each time and fly lands on his shoulder......
whatever...all I'm sayin is good players can slump....

No reason to run them out of town,especially PLAYOFF performers.

But i can see many on here probably upset Cammy screwed up there hockey pools....eh? Time for him to go .


gotta be the reason

Habaneros is offline  
Old
01-13-2012, 07:50 AM
  #962
Erik Estrada
Nik Scherbak
 
Erik Estrada's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,061
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by habsjunkie2 View Post

The guy has made one failed decision after another. Still the fan base supports him loud and clear even though he's been nothing short of a train wreck this year.
Has PG made failed decisions? -Yes
Is the Kaberle trade awful? -I think so.
Could PG have gotten more for Cammalleri? -Probably.
As a rebuilding team, are we in a better position after the Cammalleri trade? -Yes.

Erik Estrada is offline  
Old
01-13-2012, 07:51 AM
  #963
Habs 4 Life
No Excuses
 
Habs 4 Life's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Montreal
Country: Italy
Posts: 33,222
vCash: 256
Quote:
Originally Posted by swimmer77 View Post
I don't know what to think about the trade really. If the goal was to.........

1. Get rid of a struggling player (then there is more to get rid of mind you)

2. Get rid of a struggling player who called out his teammates.

Then I guess it's a good trade.

If the goal is to actually make the team better then I don't know. The Habs gained cap space. That's a plus for now until we see what happens to that. In the mean time I guess we can enjoy what cap space brings to the ice every game.

The Habs did get rid of a smurf but was it the right smurf? Obviously the other two are in no condition to be traded but still................

I can somewhat understand not waiting until the trade deadline to deal if PG really wanted Cammy gone. Suppose he would get injured?

In the end it's just another so, so move to be added to a bunch of so, so moves to cover up what turns out to be a disaster of setting the D up properly this past summer.

What really irritated me about Pierre Gauthier's comments was the one where he said something like.........."I'm not trying to make excuses but we are experiencing an injury year." No kidding Sherlock. It's been like that for the 4 last years, especially on D and you sign one of the injured and ill prepare the rest of the D. That's on you. Not the players and not Martin and not Cunneyworth. You, you idiot.

As for Bourque - how many suspensions are you allowed per year? And if you're suspended do they allow that cap space? j/k

For Cammalleri's ex-teammates I don't feel one bit sorry for them. He called them losers or whatever it was. But it was the truth, right? I heard the same thing from another player this year and the whole team didn't go in a corner and cry. Instead through the media they supported the teammate and manned up - "what he said is true".

I mean the Habs lost last night again, right? Lost = losing = loser
Exactly it's a strange move but I honestly think he got rid of him cause of the journalist incident

The trade is pretty much a wash with Cammalleri having better career numbers

Did PG make this deal to save on the salary cap going forward? I doubt it and if that's what he would have said he should be fired for picking up Kaberle going forward. That's what I don't get from people saying well he saved a bit on the cap room but those same people defend him about the Kaberle trade which is awful going forward with his cap hit and the way he plays and please for the ones saying he has 9 pts or whatever the guy is totally useless out there and scared of his own shadow

So in the end I do honestly believe the Habs didn't want a distraction around the team and since Cammalleri had been talked about with Calgary earlier Gauthier took advantage to trade him

Habs 4 Life is offline  
Old
01-13-2012, 07:53 AM
  #964
Sargent Pepper*
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Country: St Pierre and Miquelon
Posts: 2,234
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by idk View Post
While I don't think the trade is bad per se (although the Flames get the better player, Mike C. never lived up to the hype he generated upon signing and this season has been out and out dismal - Bourque can at least backcheck when he's not scoring, and the flip of a second for a fifth's not too shabby either) I think it's the wrong trade. Could we not have grabbed one of their second tier prospects and maybe another pick instead of Bourque? I guess with Gionta out you need to keep some offensive punch in the lineup, but I would've been happy dressing Leblanc in Cammalleri's place and getting younger. That's how you retool.
Ideally you are right...but this was forced by cap space management for the Flames....I cannot think of a team that can afford the 6M Cammie makes without unloading a few millions to make room.....at least the second round pick is nice....

Sargent Pepper* is offline  
Old
01-13-2012, 07:54 AM
  #965
Rickkins
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 573
vCash: 500
One thing I just found out, despite the name, he does not speak a word of french.

I heard from the flames forum that he will try to learn french tho...

Rickkins is offline  
Old
01-13-2012, 07:54 AM
  #966
Habaneros
Habs Cup champs 2010
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 5,710
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Erik Estrada View Post
Has PG made failed decisions? -Yes
Is the Kaberle trade awful? -I think so.
Could PG have gotten more for Cammalleri? -Probably.
As a rebuilding team, are we in a better position after the Cammalleri trade? -Yes.
what is even more funny,even one FIRED or stepped down is still here.


Gainey steps down ..still here

Fired Perry Pearn still here

Fired Martin...still here.



You know you got a old boy buddy club when

Habaneros is offline  
Old
01-13-2012, 07:54 AM
  #967
Teufelsdreck
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 14,450
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Whitesnake View Post
Again, I'd like to know, the posters in here who keeps saying you don't win games with cap space, where are you? And I hope that you are not happy with that trade as far as that save is concerned. Can be happy for other things, I know I still don't hate the trade. Maybe waiting near deadline would have much better. Though maybe Cammy would have said much worst things that would identify him clearly as a cancer and we would have much less return than this. That's also possible.
It's not the things he might have said that made the trade imperative. It was his lack of production and inadequate checking. If the Habs could also rid themselves of Gomez it would address Gainey's signings/trades for GG&C along with Spacek in one costly splurge that put the Habs in a bind for years.

Teufelsdreck is offline  
Old
01-13-2012, 07:55 AM
  #968
Habs 4 Life
No Excuses
 
Habs 4 Life's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Montreal
Country: Italy
Posts: 33,222
vCash: 256
Quote:
Originally Posted by Habaneros View Post
You knew about Kopitar having 2 goals in 22 games recently..

So what Cammy had a little rough patch , the team was in TURMOIL.(fired coaches)..you expect that ..

Anyways , the joke continues on...
Habaneros, the problem is the contracts that this team gives up. We sign players for about 1 million more then what they're actually worth. right there if you're lucky enough to trade them you have no choice but to do it. We would have never gotten a 1st for Cammy, be honest if you're a GM in the league would you actually have given a 1st for him because of his success in the playoffs but still for a 6 million dollar plays gives you between 45-50 pts per year and is a little injury prone. I hope you wouldn't. Not many teams are dumb enough to give 1st rounders for players like Cammy. He ain't worth it

Habs 4 Life is offline  
Old
01-13-2012, 07:56 AM
  #969
Sargent Pepper*
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Country: St Pierre and Miquelon
Posts: 2,234
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Habaneros View Post
whatever...all I'm sayin is good players can slump....

No reason to run them out of town,especially PLAYOFF performers.

But i can see many on here probably upset Cammy screwed up there hockey pools....eh? Time for him to go .


gotta be the reason
I get your point...but I don't think we have the kind of team that can afford a one dimensional player...especially when that one dimensional player is not delivering on his strengths...I think that is the real reason Cammie is gone.....I was disappointed with him last year...but this year was too much to take....I was afraid we would hold on to him too long and have no value left to trade and get good value in return...so, its not great, but its not a bad trade either.....

Sargent Pepper* is offline  
Old
01-13-2012, 07:56 AM
  #970
One Man Rock Band
Slater's Gonna Slate
 
One Man Rock Band's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Habville
Country: Canada
Posts: 44,611
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rickkins View Post
One thing I just found out, despite the name, he does not speak a word of french.

I heard from the flames forum that he will try to learn french tho...
Who cares?!

One Man Rock Band is offline  
Old
01-13-2012, 07:56 AM
  #971
Maxpac
Registered User
 
Maxpac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: hockey city
Posts: 14,018
vCash: 500
What's with the ranting about completing the trade during the game? Who cares if he had to leave during the game? You pansies always have to complain about the dumbest crap, it's not you who had to get in the cab during a game, stop crying. If
cammy have injured himself the trade was annulled.

Maxpac is offline  
Old
01-13-2012, 07:57 AM
  #972
Habs 4 Life
No Excuses
 
Habs 4 Life's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Montreal
Country: Italy
Posts: 33,222
vCash: 256
Quote:
Originally Posted by Whitesnake View Post
Again, I'd like to know, the posters in here who keeps saying you don't win games with cap space, where are you? And I hope that you are not happy with that trade as far as that save is concerned. Can be happy for other things, I know I still don't hate the trade. Maybe waiting near deadline would have much better. Though maybe Cammy would have said much worst things that would identify him clearly as a cancer and we would have much less return than this. That's also possible.
You mean the ones that are saying we saved almost 3 million but love the Kaberle deal as well?

Habs 4 Life is offline  
Old
01-13-2012, 07:57 AM
  #973
Sargent Pepper*
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Country: St Pierre and Miquelon
Posts: 2,234
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rickkins View Post
One thing I just found out, despite the name, he does not speak a word of french.

I heard from the flames forum that he will try to learn french tho...
He is an Alberta Metis.....indeed, he does not speak French...

Sargent Pepper* is offline  
Old
01-13-2012, 07:59 AM
  #974
Habaneros
Habs Cup champs 2010
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 5,710
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sargent Pepper View Post
I get your point...but I don't think we have the kind of team that can afford a one dimensional player...especially when that one dimensional player is not delivering on his strengths...I think that is the real reason Cammie is gone.....I was disappointed with him last year...but this year was too much to take....I was afraid we would hold on to him too long and have no value left to trade and get good value in return...so, its not great, but its not a bad trade either.....
Would Cammy be considered one dimension Boston?

I don't think.

Cause he would be surrounded with people who could hit and open up space up for him to DO HIS JOB ....

IN MTL you ice a top 6 full of guy who aren't historical physical, then you see dimensions.....
Then you get dummies complaining Cammy isn't physical?....lol just like people going nut when Darche plays top lines, people could see he doesn't belong there....on the 4th line you don't see he is out of his element as much ..



This is where Montreal failed...


The best player in NHL was one dimensional player....Gretzky scored.....

Habaneros is offline  
Old
01-13-2012, 07:59 AM
  #975
Rickkins
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 573
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by natey2k4 View Post
Who cares?!
You can be sure the french media does...

Rickkins is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:41 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.