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01-12-2012, 11:56 PM
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no **** it would get done, but it would be retarded for the canucks to make that trade.



also i rather have moen, hes what you call, a playoff beast
Then do the Raymond deal and offer a pick for Moen. Get both. Canucks get meaner and bigger pretty fast.

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Me gusta. Could fit with Raymond's salary being shipped out. Plus Weber is a good defensive prospect and we're lacking in those.

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01-12-2012, 11:59 PM
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Then do the Raymond deal and offer a pick for Moen. Get both. Canucks get meaner and bigger pretty fast.

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that lineup is too good to be true

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Would be nice on the 4th line for sure, size, grit, and toughness.

At $1.5 million cap hit though, I'm not sure if we have the room?

Moen would be great, he's gone to the big show and knows what it takes, and he doesn't take dumb penalties.
I think they do at the deadline.

THe penalties thing is key, you can't have a 4th liner taking tons of penalties. Thats the main reason why I'm leery of taking on a guy like Neil. Too much potential for him to go all "eager" on us.

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Then do the Raymond deal and offer a pick for Moen. Get both. Canucks get meaner and bigger pretty fast.

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Me gusta. Could fit with Raymond's salary being shipped out. Plus Weber is a good defensive prospect and we're lacking in those.
I'd rather we keep Raymond. We need offensive depth(due to injuries), and we don't need both Gaustad and Moen. I'd just go after 1 for either a prospect or a pick, no need to touch our top 9 if you ask me.

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that lineup is too good to be true
I don't see why it wouldn't work. Buffalo plays a run and gun style which is perfect for MayRay.

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Raymond/Ballard for Moen/Subban as the principles...

...you guys figure out the picks/prospects to get this done.

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I'd rather we keep Raymond. We need offensive depth(due to injuries), and we don't need both Gaustad and Moen. I'd just go after 1 for either a prospect or a pick, no need to touch our top 9 if you ask me.
id rather we not

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id rather we not
Ditto. I'm glad MayRay is healthy, but he's slowly playing himself out of the Canucks 2012. With the emergence of Hodgson and Hansen, we don't need another smaller frame player on the 3rd line. Mason needs to be a Top 6 and right now he's not outplaying Booth or Higgins. It would be best to trade him to a team that needs him, like Buffalo. Their fowards aren't great defensively and he'll get Top 6 time there.

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that lineup is too good to be true
Except it makes the third line LW an offensive void.

So you have an offensive center with one pretty decent scoring winger.

Not a checking line, certainly not a tough line, and not really a scoring line. So what exactly is it?

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id rather we not
Thanks, i'll keep note of that.

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Except it makes the third line LW an offensive void.

So you have an offensive center with one pretty decent scoring winger.

Not a checking line, certainly not a tough line, and not really a scoring line. So what exactly is it?
Its a hybrid lol

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Except it makes the third line LW an offensive void.

So you have an offensive center with one pretty decent scoring winger.

Not a checking line, certainly not a tough line, and not really a scoring line. So what exactly is it?
Hodgson and Hansen are doing pretty well offensively by themselves. Defensively and offensively.

That fourth line is straight up nasty, I'd venture to say a line with a combination of Gaustad-Lapierre-Malhotra is likely the best 4th line in the league.

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Samuelsson had a ring. This team made it to game 7 last year, I'm pretty sure they don't need a guy with a ring to tell them how to win.

Gaustad is big, throws the body a lot, is basically a more physical Malhotra. And the asking price for him will likely be lower.
Gaustad makes 800k more than Moen, what makes you think he'd be cheaper?

Faceoff ability is huge in the playoffs, our team is pretty good in that aspect already...it doesnt make sense to add a faceoff specialist to this team.
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Then do the Raymond deal and offer a pick for Moen. Get both. Canucks get meaner and bigger pretty fast.

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Moen-Hodgson-Hansen
Gaustad-Lapierre-Malhotra
Weise

Me gusta. Could fit with Raymond's salary being shipped out. Plus Weber is a good defensive prospect and we're lacking in those.
I really dont like that team.

If any of you heard Gillis on the team yesterday he used the word 'balance'...to me you lose a tonne of offense moving Raymond and not getting a talented player in return.

That roster would struggle outside of the top line IMO.

Add Moen and move Raymond and Ballard in a deal for a top 6 power winger or a top 4 d-man.

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01-13-2012, 12:08 AM
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Except it makes the third line LW an offensive void.

So you have an offensive center with one pretty decent scoring winger.

Not a checking line, certainly not a tough line, and not really a scoring line. So what exactly is it?
The rare occasion I agree with you.

We essentially move Raymond, a top 6 forward, for a 4th liner in Gaustad because we need to get "tougher"... cool story. Too many canuck fans are buying into this toughness ********, and although I admit it would be nice to have a guy like Moen or Guastad on the 4th line, I wouldn't trade a guy like Raymond to get him. This team went to game SEVEN of the SCF... we didn't get knocked out in the 2nd round, not sure why so many people want to make such a drastic change this far into the season. Our top 9 has been great, and Our fourth line has been decent, I would just like an upgrade on Weise.

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Hodgson and Hansen are doing pretty well offensively by themselves. Defensively and offensively.

That fourth line is straight up nasty, I'd venture to say a line with a combination of Gaustad-Lapierre-Malhotra is likely the best 4th line in the league.
The 4th line is still the 4th line, they might take Hodgson's icetime, but Kesler and Henrik will get their minutes.

4th line is upgraded enough with Moen for a pick.

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Really? I had a few tell me Schroeder + low pick would get it done.

Alternately Raymond + 2014 2nd for Gaustad + M. Weber was also well received.
Wow. Ofcourse those get it done. We can acquire Moen for a 3rd or 4th, we aren't gonna give up assets like Schroeder for a depth player.

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Gaustad makes 800k more than Moen, what makes you think he'd be cheaper?

Faceoff ability is huge in the playoffs, our team is pretty good in that aspect already...it doesnt make sense to add a faceoff specialist to this team.


I really dont like that team.

If any of you heard Gillis on the team yesterday he used the word 'balance'...to me you lose a tonne of offense moving Raymond and not getting a talented player in return.

That roster would struggle outside of the top line IMO.

Add Moen and move Raymond and Ballard in a deal for a top 6 power winger or a top 4 d-man.
Raymond isn't exactly providing a ton of offense right now.

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows -- huge offensive line
Booth-Kesler-Higgins -- offensive with speed and good defensive upside
Moen-Hodgson-Hansen -- offensive, good checking line with Hansen and Moen
Gaustad-Lapierre-Malhotra -- awesome defensive line that can grind *****es out and chip in a few goals

How is that not balanced?

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Gaustad makes 800k more than Moen, what makes you think he'd be cheaper?

Faceoff ability is huge in the playoffs, our team is pretty good in that aspect already...it doesnt make sense to add a faceoff specialist to this team.


I really dont like that team.

If any of you heard Gillis on the team yesterday he used the word 'balance'...to me you lose a tonne of offense moving Raymond and not getting a talented player in return.

That roster would struggle outside of the top line IMO.

Add Moen and move Raymond and Ballard in a deal for a top 6 power winger or a top 4 d-man.
Especially to stick him in as a 4th line winger making good money.

Gaustad would make more sense if Manny was leaving.

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I don't see why it wouldn't work. Buffalo plays a run and gun style which is perfect for MayRay.
Plus they are tiny and soft.

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Gaustad makes 800k more than Moen, what makes you think he'd be cheaper?

Faceoff ability is huge in the playoffs, our team is pretty good in that aspect already...it doesnt make sense to add a faceoff specialist to this team.


I really dont like that team.

If any of you heard Gillis on the team yesterday he used the word 'balance'...to me you lose a tonne of offense moving Raymond and not getting a talented player in return.

That roster would struggle outside of the top line IMO.

Add Moen and move Raymond and Ballard in a deal for a top 6 power winger or a top 4 d-man.
Exactly. And a couple of injuries to our top 6, then what? Start complaining about lack of depth?

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Raymond/Ballard for Moen/Subban as the principles...

...you guys figure out the picks/prospects to get this done.
There is no balancing that. If Subban were available it'd be Hodgson or bust.

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Plus they are tiny and soft.


Gaustad might have a big salary, but he's a great leader and you can't have too much centre depth come playoffs.

Come on, the guy dropped them with Lucic for Christ's sake. He lost, but he did it and stood up for his team. We don't have anyone like that, and Moen has been with the Habs for awhile and hasn't tried. Gaustad won't take **** from anyone.

I also reiterate: Raymond hasn't done anything offensively since Carolina. How long do you wait? He's good, but he's back to playing the perimeter.

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Moen has more fights vs bruins then gaustad

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I've been wanting Moen on this team since Wellwood was still our 3rd line center.

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Moen has more fights vs bruins then gaustad
That's why I say make a push for both. It's not like they're scrubs. They can contribute offensively and our bottom 6 gets about 70 lbs bigger.

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