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01-12-2012, 10:08 PM
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The Salary Cap: Is it really that important or are we just victims to bad management?

The title says it all. We save less then 3 million or 5% of the Cap and some are bouncing off the walls with Joy.

What do you think ?

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01-12-2012, 10:19 PM
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we traded a struggling sniper for an older player who is struggling even more. The fans that have wanted the team to rebuild seem to love this for some reason. This is the opposite of rebuilding.

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Looking at some of the top teams in the league and you have to think its bad management. Look at Boston's cap. If we managed the cap that well, we could have a cup contender, even with adjusting for Montreal's higher taxes. This team suffers from terrible asset management.

I am a huge fan of rebuilding, but this deal minimally helps us in that regard.

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01-12-2012, 11:28 PM
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The GM is running out of options
- Fire assistant coach
- Make small trade (neukie)
- Fire head coach
- Make big trade

At some point his time will come.

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we traded a struggling sniper for an older player who is struggling even more. The fans that have wanted the team to rebuild seem to love this for some reason. This is the opposite of rebuilding.
A player one year older, 2.7 million dollars cheaper, who has 13 goals on the season less than halfway through.

While I am not sure if this a part of selling, even while you rebuild or retool you still have to have regular roster players.

If we manage to get some more salary of the books it all adds up.

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01-12-2012, 11:32 PM
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No one's bouncing off the walls, people are just defending the trade because of the ridiculous and unfair amount of hate it's getting.

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01-13-2012, 12:42 AM
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Once upon a time, Pierre Gauthier was a GM who put a building plan in action and turned the Ottawa Senators from a garbage expansion team into one with an abundance of young talent that would be the core of their contending teams in the early 2000s. Since he's gotten to Montreal, he's done diddly squat and seems like a weak personality in the face of the coach/language issue. What happened to this guy? Seems destined to be fired. The Habs have that moribund feel the Leafs did when JFJ was on his last legs. Seems like you guys need to just firesale this whole thing. Rene Bourque just won't do.

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01-13-2012, 11:46 AM
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We still needed warm bodies playing even if we were to trade away our rotten pieces.

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We still needed warm bodies playing even if we were to trade away our rotten pieces.
AHL callups, man

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Mark Stone, Scott Gomez, Wisniewski.

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Hopefully, we didn't save cap space to keep Gomez next year.

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we traded a struggling sniper for an older player who is struggling even more. The fans that have wanted the team to rebuild seem to love this for some reason. This is the opposite of rebuilding.
What's the point of even saying this? The guy is 6 months older. We didn't trade Subban for Selanne or something, geez.

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01-13-2012, 12:51 PM
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It makes more room on the cap, but also, it's easier to move a guy with a smaller cap hit... Even if we have the room to absorb Kaberle (or Gomez), if we need to move them, we're in a real bind.

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we traded a struggling sniper for an older player who is struggling even more. The fans that have wanted the team to rebuild seem to love this for some reason. This is the opposite of rebuilding.
Bourque has more goals then Cammy this year, I don't get the struggling more part when Cammy should be the better player

the opposite of rebuilding was the Kaberle trade, that one didn't make sense if the Habs want to rebuild

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Strictly looking at the cap, the Habs just saved almost 3M. Add roughly 4M (Campoli and Gill) and they have 7M to spend. Add 7.3M if they somehow move Gomez and they have almost 15M to spend. Add 4M if they somehow move Kaberle and they're up to 19M.

That's a big chunk of change and they're removing players that are not adding much right now to the team. It's significant and they can quickly rebuild.

Use the cap space to sign Price, AK and Moen and then look to sign a big D and a couple of big F. With the core and these additional players, the Habs could contend as early as next year.

Eller-AK-BIG WINGER
DD-Cole-MaxPac
Plek-Bourque -Gionta
BIG CENTER-Moen-White

Markov-Emelin
Subban-BIG D
Gorges-Diaz

or something like that... with the cap savings, the BIG additional players could be very very good players.

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01-13-2012, 01:12 PM
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It's important when we want it to be, like last night, but most of the time it isn't, I guess it depends on who you ask and when.

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Strictly looking at the cap, the Habs just saved almost 3M. Add roughly 4M (Campoli and Gill) and they have 7M to spend. Add 7.3M if they somehow move Gomez and they have almost 15M to spend. Add 4M if they somehow move Kaberle and they're up to 19M.

That's a big chunk of change and they're removing players that are not adding much right now to the team. It's significant and they can quickly rebuild.

Use the cap space to sign Price, AK and Moen and then look to sign a big D and a couple of big F. With the core and these additional players, the Habs could contend as early as next year.

Eller-AK-BIG WINGER
DD-Cole-MaxPac
Plek-Bourque -Gionta
BIG CENTER-Moen-White

Markov-Emelin
Subban-BIG D
Gorges-Diaz

or something like that... with the cap savings, the BIG additional players could be very very good players.
Moen should be moved and we can find another type of him on the UFA market while acquiring a pick at the deadline

With Cammalleri gone, I see the Habs signing Kostitsyn

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The title says it all. We save less then 3 million or 5% of the Cap and some are bouncing off the walls with Joy.

What do you think ?
I am one of those bouncing off the walls. I am happy, because I realize that fixing all of our problems cannot be done in a single season, much less in a single trade. This is a step in the right direction. We got cap space, size, a pick and a prospect. How some still find the way to cry about this is baffling.

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we traded a struggling sniper for an older player who is struggling even more. The fans that have wanted the team to rebuild seem to love this for some reason. This is the opposite of rebuilding.
I agree, but disagree with rebuilders liking this move. Anyone I have seen who promotes rebuilding hates this move, this is the exact type of move we've been doing for 20 years.

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Moen should be moved and we can find another type of him on the UFA market while acquiring a pick at the deadline

With Cammalleri gone, I see the Habs signing Kostitsyn
I like Moen. He's a big honest hard worker. He's responsible defensively and will stick up for his teammates. I'd offer him 3.5M for 2 years before the deadline. If he refuses it, then I'd trade him.

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I like Moen. He's a big honest hard worker. He's responsible defensively and will stick up for his teammates. I'd offer him 3.5M for 2 years before the deadline. If he refuses it, then I'd trade him.
That's a very nice raise, you're very generous

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Subtract Gomez, Markov, Gionta and we can sign Suter and Parise. Pretty simple.

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Subtract Gomez, Markov, Gionta and we can sign Suter and Parise. Pretty simple.
I'm sure they'll pick up the phone to call the Habs the moment they hit free agency.

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That's a very nice raise, you're very generous
It's only 250K raise per year... it hockey terms, it's peanuts.

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It's only 250K raise per year... it hockey terms, it's peanuts.
My bad, I was sure he was earning 1 per year

I would still deal him and acquire assets and sign a similar player in the off season

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