How can we NOT have won this deal? People need to realize that Cammy's play was absolute;ly horrid. He wasn't going to improve any this year. Will he score with Calgary? I'm sure he will. But he wouldn't have done it anymore here.If a guy isn't performing and stirring up crap, generally he gets moved because he won't come around. Same reason Ribeiro, Kosty, and LaUseless got moved.
Speaking of Bourque, people expect just because a guy is big, he has to be a bruiser. If he's big and uses size and strength to protect the puck (a la Eller), that makes him effective too.
We shed a lot of salary, we got bigger, we got a second rounder and I expect Bourque won't be too far behind Cammy in goal production.
Who do you think will have a better chance making the playoffs next year? Cammy or Bourque?
I'm a little confused at all the outrage over this deal.
Production is about the same between them but Bourque is bigger and makes less money. Am I missing some illusion people have about Cammalleri?
It's because some fan judge the trade by comparing the two players by their talent and scoring potential. Cammy is a player that will do well with an offensive team with big Cs. This trade is a role swap. We got a player that fills our team's need. Cammy didn't fit anymore. That's what matters imho.
At this point, it's like people were pissed at PG for trading gomez for Bourque. I find it strange.
I'm a little confused at all the outrage over this deal.
Production is about the same between them but Bourque is bigger and makes less money. Am I missing some illusion people have about Cammalleri?
Well, even if one never saw either guy play, and leaving the nuances of free agent signing and team situations aside for a moment, one could deduce that a guy that was able to command $6 million/year coming out of RFA might be of significantly higher value than a guy who signs long term at his career peak for just over $3 million/year.
I'm really surprised that a slump while playing on an obviously dysfunctional franchise (which seems to have a never ending problem finding players to compliment the talent they do have) and a few honest words in the media have done so much to bias the "balance" towards Bourque's favour.
How can we NOT have won this deal? People need to realize that Cammy's play was absolute;ly horrid. He wasn't going to improve any this year. Will he score with Calgary? I'm sure he will. But he wouldn't have done it anymore here.If a guy isn't performing and stirring up crap, generally he gets moved because he won't come around. Same reason Ribeiro, Kosty, and LaUseless got moved.
Speaking of Bourque, people expect just because a guy is big, he has to be a bruiser. If he's big and uses size and strength to protect the puck (a la Eller), that makes him effective too.
We shed a lot of salary, we got bigger, we got a second rounder and I expect Bourque won't be too far behind Cammy in goal production.
Who do you think will have a better chance making the playoffs next year? Cammy or Bourque?
Cammy probably. And as someone else said, cap space does not win games.
Cap space don't win games, but cap space + a big winger who puts up 50pts a season can help.
You really think Cam will put up 9 goals in Calgary? You really think Bourque will score 27 goals on this team as it is built right now? C'mon! There's a reason why the Habs have had 1 80 point getter in 10 years. Goal scorers come to die here because we're so bent on defensive play. Every player has to be a two way penalty killing master.
This is why I loved Kovalev. Despite all the crap he still consistently put up 60-70 points.
You really think Cam will put up 9 goals in Calgary? You really think Bourque will score 27 goals on this team as it is built right now? C'mon! There's a reason why the Habs have had 1 80 point getter in 10 years. Goal scorers come to die here because we're so bent on defensive play. Every player has to be a two way penalty killing master.
This is why I loved Kovalev. Despite all the crap he still consistently put up 60-70 points.
Sideny Crosby would be a nice consistent 70 pt play in Montreal...
The thing I don't get is didn't Cammy have like 5-points in 3-games on the wing of Desharnais? I still can't understand why they moved him away from Desharnais. I'm not saying he was the solution, but it was working. I also still have no clue why Leblanc got scratched in the first place - that line played well for the 2-3 games they had together.
You really think Cam will put up 9 goals in Calgary? You really think Bourque will score 27 goals on this team as it is built right now? C'mon! There's a reason why the Habs have had 1 80 point getter in 10 years. Goal scorers come to die here because we're so bent on defensive play. Every player has to be a two way penalty killing master.
This is why I loved Kovalev. Despite all the crap he still consistently put up 60-70 points.
Cammalleri is probably gonna score goals, and lots of them, in CGY. Thing is, I really don't care what he is gonna do in calgary. With the habs, he's been lazy, soft, slow and useless. He was a total non factor. I wish him the best, but at the same time, good thing he is gone.
And who knows with Bourque. Moen has shown some good offensive upsides with our team. Maybe a more talented player than him will do wonders in the first 2 lines.
Don't get the wrong impression here. I am not endorsing Gauthier's efforts in Montreal this season. There's an unseemly quality to the events there this year.
Firing assistant coach Perry Pearn hours before a game. Firing head coach Jacques Martin before a game-day skate. Trading Cammalleri during a game, 24 hours after the player spouted off, and then saying it's a deal that has been in the works since early December. Which may be true but Cammalleri's outburst clearly triggered the deal being done.
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Cap space don't win games, but cap space + a big winger who puts up 50pts a season can help.
A big winger that is far from being very physical, is known as an enigma and who after putting up 58 points 2 years ago fell to 50 last season and is on pace for under 35 right now this year....ya that will help.
Much better, with this flexibility the habs can possibly grab a big name ufa this offseason and sign up subban, price and kostitsyn with ease. Those big contacts were killing us.
So to anyone who think we got a GM that WILL TRY to GET US THE BEST DEAL, think again,
We got a IDIOT who invites 3 people to an auction .
Oh plese give it a rest, at first I was trying to ignore you but this is getting ridiculous.
Some of the poster around here have an extremely unrealistic view of the players on this Habs team, with Cammaleri being the prime example. Like it or not he's overpaid, he has an injury history and when he isn't scoring he's hurting the team with the way he plays.
If you think that he's worth more than a player who's scoring around 30 goals and around 55 points per season (which is around what Mike's been producing playing here and to top it all Rene's cap hit is almost 3mil lower) you're sorely mistaken.
And lets not forget that 2nd round pick, people act like 2nd round picks are throw ins. In todays NHL where scouting's getting better and better 2nd round picks carry much more value than random posters on HF Boards would make you think.
And who's to say this wasn't the best deal on the table? Do you have some inside information on the matter at hand? Because if you do please share, we would all like to hear it.
Oh plese give it a rest, at first I was trying to ignore you but this is getting ridiculous.
Some of the poster around here have an extremely unrealistic view of the players on this Habs team, with Cammaleri being the prime example. Like it or not he's overpaid, he has an injury history and when he isn't scoring he's hurting the team with the way he plays.
If you think that he's worth more than a player who's scoring around 30 goals and around 55 points per season (which is around what Mike's been producing playing here and to top it all Rene's cap hit is almost 3mil lower) you're sorely mistaken.
And lets not forget that 2nd round pick, people act like 2nd round picks are throw ins. In todays NHL where scouting's getting better and better 2nd round picks carry much more value than random posters on HF Boards would make you think.
And whos's to say this wasn't the best deal on the table? Do you have some inside information on the matter at hand? Because if you do please share, we would all like to hear it.
I'm telling ya how it is..Gauthier made no attempt to get the best deal.
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And I can tell you there are a number of NHL GMs who had no idea Montreal was prepared to trade Cammalleri. This was not a player who was shopped around the league. Could Gauthier have gotten more elsewhere or driven up the price?
Yes Cammalleri is more skilled and has more potential but he's been a liability out there for us and the trade might give Bourque a kick in the ass. Plekanec has also looked bad with Cammalleri so I expect his game to pick up too.
So to anyone who think we got a GM that WILL TRY to GET US THE BEST DEAL, think again,
We got a IDIOT who invites 3 people to an auction .
Ok we get it, move along we heard this one before. Cammalleri and his 9 goals apparently was wanted by the whole league and we could have gotten the moon for him. No one cares.
There is a difference between being in a "slump" and being terrible all year, its not like Cammalleri's been bad for a few weeks he's been garbage all year.
Ok we get it, move along we heard this one before. Cammalleri and his 9 goals apparently was wanted by the whole league and we could have gotten the moon for him. No one cares.
Yesterday morning I was reading around here we should expect to get next to nothing if he's traded since he's a small winger who is owed $7 million the next 2 years and has scored 9 goals this year.. now people think we could've got a first round pick etc..
