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01-13-2012, 05:28 AM
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Mister Gauthier, Don't Trade Mister Weber!

This kid has potential. Young Dman who seems to have a knack for scoring big goals, something this offensively starved bunch need. He's small but he's willing to mix it up and he has a cannon shot.

Move Gill and Campoli, but don't trade Weber!

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01-13-2012, 05:32 AM
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I agree but I fear he will be moved if not this season, likely during the off-season.

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01-13-2012, 06:15 AM
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if he gets moved before Kaberle, for anything short of a huge overpayment, Gauthier is a complete fool.

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01-13-2012, 06:42 AM
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I'm on the fence. I love Weber, but if he's the final piece for a really good hockey player, I'd probably let him go.

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01-13-2012, 06:51 AM
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It really has to come down between him and Diaz

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01-13-2012, 07:05 AM
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It really has to come down between him and Diaz
Why?

By all signs, Diaz is turning himself into a Top-4 defenseman in his first NHL season. He's played great 90% of the time.

Weber can still grow but he'll probably not be much more than a bottom pairing PP specialist type guy.

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01-13-2012, 07:10 AM
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Yeah I'd rather keep Weber over Kaberle, Campoli, Gill - hopefully there's a taker for some of those guys at the deadline....

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01-13-2012, 07:19 AM
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The Habs will probably trade him and then sign a veteran that's useless in the off season( a la Campoli)

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01-13-2012, 07:38 AM
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Why?

By all signs, Diaz is turning himself into a Top-4 defenseman in his first NHL season. He's played great 90% of the time.

Weber can still grow but he'll probably not be much more than a bottom pairing PP specialist type guy.
A very weak Top-4 guy, though.

But I'm on the fence as well. Weber is absolutely not necessary. Good part, but if he can get us something great, then go for it.

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01-13-2012, 07:42 AM
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This kid has potential. Young Dman who seems to have a knack for scoring big goals, something this offensively starved bunch need. He's small but he's willing to mix it up and he has a cannon shot.

Move Gill and Campoli, but don't trade Weber!
That would be the logical thing to do.

Given his cap hit and upside I see no reason to trade Weber.

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01-13-2012, 07:47 AM
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I love Weber, but I feel he has been treated unfairly in Montreal. This guy has some potential but is never given the chance, and when he is given a chance he delivers, makes one mistake, and he's sitting for 5 games. Trade him solely for the benefit of his career (in a package deal of course)

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It really has to come down between him and Diaz
I think it will down the road, but no reason to have to chose right now. Right now both are developing and have cheap cap hits, better to have them than some recycled veteran.

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Keep him in and put him on the first PP with Kaberle, it'll help lower Subban's minutes and Weber has a way more accurate shot than PK.

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01-13-2012, 07:52 AM
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I love Weber, but I feel he has been treated unfairly in Montreal. This guy has some potential but is never given the chance, and when he is given a chance he delivers, makes one mistake, and he's sitting for 5 games. Trade him solely for the benefit of his career (in a package deal of course)
I love Weber too, but he made a lot more mistakes than that playing defense. However, his play at forward, was very good I thought.

The last, I believe, four times Weber has gotten a point, he's been scratched the next game. So I'm not expecting him to play on Saturday.

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A very weak Top-4 guy, though.

But I'm on the fence as well. Weber is absolutely not necessary. Good part, but if he can get us something great, then go for it.
Weak as in physically? Or weak as in on a bad team?

If it's the first point, I somewhat agree. He's not going to make hits or anything of that nature, but if he stays paired with Emelin, he doesn't need too. He needs to be a guy who can make a great first pass (which he does) and a guy who plays the game extremely smart (which is coming with experience).

If it's the second point, I agree too (right now) but not in the future. Same with Emelin - he's not a top-4 defenseman right now either. But they've been forced into that situation in Montreal and done a fairly good job. A job that screams to me that both players have the potential to be very good Top-4 players in the next few years, if not more.

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01-13-2012, 08:02 AM
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Sure, don't re-sign Campoli and Gill and trade Kaberle at some point, but doesn't anyone pay attention to Woe-ber's defensive weakness? He's the worst or tied for the worst at that aspect.

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Sure, don't re-sign Campoli and Gill and trade Kaberle at some point, but doesn't anyone pay attention to Woe-ber's defensive weakness? He's the worst or tied for the worst at that aspect.
I can't think of three games where he's been responsible for 3 GWG goals, let alone three games straight like Campoli.

As far as Gill, Weber is probably about as good defensively, worse on the PK, and better on the PP. Gill is amazing on the PK and useless on the PP. I would say it's basically a wash here and that Weber would bring more benefits since he is young and can learn from him mistakes. Will he? Only time will tell but we need to give him the chance especially if we are writing this season off.

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Sure, don't re-sign Campoli and Gill and trade Kaberle at some point, but doesn't anyone pay attention to Woe-ber's defensive weakness? He's the worst or tied for the worst at that aspect.
Hall Gill- 36yrs old... Status: declining rapidly... Needs: Retirement cottage in Muskoka

Kaberle- 33yrs old... Status: offensively capable, no longer willing to pay physical price... Needs: to play in europe

Campoli- 27yrs old... Status: struggling to regain top form after injury time away... Needs: time and a clear bottom pairing role

Weber- 22yrs old... Status: hungry, learning, effective offensively... Needs: time/experience & to play defense




Has nothing to do with ignoring Weber's defensive weakness, it has to do with context. This season is a wash, or should be, exactly the kind of season where you give a guy like Weber tons of opportunity to "learn on the job", accepting the mistakes that will come with learning.

he hasn't been much worse, if at all, than any of the other 3 guys in defensive play, and he's been better than 2 of the 3 in contributing something offensively.

he's the youngest, cheapest, and most valuable asset of the 4 when you consider everything.

The organization needs to prioritize his development over crossing their fingers that Gill/Campoli will give us something better (which they generally haven't so far this year).

if you play weber, on defense, in most of the final 40 games, you get two important things:

1- the opportunity for him to develop (upping his NHL game experience by over 30%)
2- opportunity to have a much better idea of where he fits long-term, if at all, in the teams plans


having him play fwd or sit in the press box, while playing Gill/Campoli, gives the team nothing of value, especially after the trade deadline (until then, I suppose you could make a case for playing the vets in a "showcase" mode to try to up the value of their return, though that's a double-edge sword given how poorly both have played mostly this season)

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01-13-2012, 08:31 AM
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Weber gets manhandled every single game though. I really don't want to see Weber AND Diaz in the same top6.

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01-13-2012, 08:35 AM
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Weber scored a goal so he is a hero today, one bad game and the guy will suck again.welcome to Montreal where a player can go from all star to garbage in one day.

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01-13-2012, 08:51 AM
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Kaberle has 9 points in 14 games since in Montreal. That's more than 50 points on a full season. Why is everyone bashing on him? I actually liked this move when it was done because I knew a big contract could be moved (most likely Cammalleri's one), and I like it even more now.

Can someone explain me all these "Shop Kaberle" posts.

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Weber is our only powerplay cannon. We can't trade him without replacing his shot.

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Kaberle has 9 points in 14 games since in Montreal. That's more than 50 points on a full season. Why is everyone bashing on him? I actually liked this move when it was done because I knew a big contract could be moved (most likely Cammalleri's one), and I like it even more now.

Can someone explain me all these "Shop Kaberle" posts.
Who cares about pts, he was acquired to help the pp (which he hasn't really) and make this team better which isn't he case with our 5 wins in those 14 games

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Weber gets manhandled every single game though. I really don't want to see Weber AND Diaz in the same top6.
Show me examples of him getting manhandled. That's all people can bring up but I don't see it during games. He isn't going to put anybody through the boards but neither is Gorges or 95% of NHL d-men. He has a strong base and wins most of his 1 on 1 battles. What hurt him earlier this year is mental breakdowns defensively, but he is technically still a rookie and he was playing 20+ minutes for a stretch.

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Who cares about pts, he was acquired to help the pp (which he hasn't really) and make this team better which isn't he case with our 5 wins in those 14 games
So you get proven wrong and have to change to another tune. The issue with the PP is taht Subban and Cammalleri were constantly being set up and didn't finish. It's nice to have a great playmaker but the guys he sets up have to score. Even with the ****** PP he has good numbers so I don't see how he is the problem.

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Who cares about pts, he was acquired to help the pp (which he hasn't really) and make this team better which isn't he case with our 5 wins in those 14 games
One player doesn't make a team better. This whole team is not playing well, and even throught this hard sequence, Kaberle has good stats.

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