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01-13-2012, 09:10 AM
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Kaberle has 9 points in 14 games since in Montreal. That's more than 50 points on a full season. Why is everyone bashing on him? I actually liked this move when it was done because I knew a big contract could be moved (most likely Cammalleri's one), and I like it even more now.

Can someone explain me all these "Shop Kaberle" posts.
Because Weber is cheaper, brings the same game, is 10yrs younger and most importantly, perhaps a team can give us a decent prospect/pick in return at the deadline. (We sorely lack size and grit on defense).

I don't think there's a hate on Kaberle, it just that we have too many soft players on defense

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01-13-2012, 09:15 AM
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Because Weber is cheaper, brings the same game, is 10yrs younger and most importantly, perhaps a team can give us a decent prospect/pick in return at the deadline. (We sorely lack size and grit on defense).

I don't think there's a hate on Kaberle, it just that we have too many soft players on defense
We can't have all Kaberle, Diaz and Weber in the top 6.

Diaz is playing very well on his rookie year and Kaberle brings the experience and is also playing very well.

Weber is having good and bad nights, he would be my choice to move.

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01-13-2012, 09:23 AM
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Kaberle has 9 points in 14 games since in Montreal. That's more than 50 points on a full season. Why is everyone bashing on him? I actually liked this move when it was done because I knew a big contract could be moved (most likely Cammalleri's one), and I like it even more now.

Can someone explain me all these "Shop Kaberle" posts.
I second this. I think he's been pretty good so far. If he could keep up that point pace for the next 2 years I'll be a happy camper. He can't fix the PP if the scorers cants score.

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01-13-2012, 09:35 AM
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Who cares about pts, he was acquired to help the pp (which he hasn't really) and make this team better which isn't he case with our 5 wins in those 14 games
He was brought in to help the PP.

Before Kaberle: 13 for 114 (11.4%)
After Kaberle: 9 for 52 (17.3%)

He has made the PP better. It would be better still if Subban could hit the net every once in a while. Sadly they're only averaging about 3 PP's a game lately and Weber has been scratched for half the games that Kaberle has played. I want to see what a Kaberle-Weber combination can do (and a Markov-Subban combo).

I don't think you can pin the blame on Kabs for only winning 5 of 14 games in this bloody circus.

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01-13-2012, 10:02 AM
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Why?

By all signs, Diaz is turning himself into a Top-4 defenseman in his first NHL season. He's played great 90% of the time.

Weber can still grow but he'll probably not be much more than a bottom pairing PP specialist type guy.
Disagree entirely. By all signs, Diaz is a #6 we're just a very weak team on the back end. Most other teams he'd be a #5 at best, more than likely a #6-7. He may play a top 4 role on our team but that doesn't necessarily make him suited for a top 4 role.

I'm not saying there isn't room for improvement only time will tell, but right now given his play he's really only a #5-6. If we had Markov, Subban, Gorges all healthy maybe he could still be the #4 but quite frankly that's a terrible #4 after 3 solid D. I'd be more than comfortable keeping Diaz as a #6 but expecting him to be a true #4 or develop into one seems far fetched at this point. He's been playing fine but I haven't seen any major improvements in his game, he's one of those guys who is what he is, a good #6 d imo.

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01-13-2012, 10:16 AM
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Who cares about pts, he was acquired to help the pp (which he hasn't really) and make this team better which isn't he case with our 5 wins in those 14 games
Except the PP has looked 100 times better. Kaberle is a QB, not a shooter. He's made the PP, in general, look more dangerous.

Cammalleri has been set up a million times and not finished.

Subban, for as much as he's improved defensively, his offensive game has gone into oblivion. He is putrid on the powerplay. His shot is garbage, his vision has gone to crap, and his ridiculous calls for the puck are annoying. I'm hoping its just a sophomore slump.

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Weber gets manhandled every single game though. I really don't want to see Weber AND Diaz in the same top6.
I disagree with this so much. Weber does get manhandled from time to time, but no more than Campoli. And he doesn't get made to look as dumb as Gill usually.

However, Diaz has been nothing but solid. Very rarely does he get pushed around - because he knows how to get rid of the puck and get it out of the zone. He's an awesome defenseman and only improving.

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Weber scored a goal so he is a hero today, one bad game and the guy will suck again.welcome to Montreal where a player can go from all star to garbage in one day.
So true.

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01-13-2012, 10:26 AM
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Weber - the kid seems to me to be a pretty close copy of Streit during his time here. Solid puck movement, powerful shot, atrocious in the defensive zone. Weber doesn't have the skill set to effectively box people out (a la Markov) nor the physical build to force people out (a la any number of big blueliners). Can he be succesful? Sure. But like any other player he needs to be placed in a position where his deficencies are minimized. Right now we only have Gorges and (on a few rare occasions) Gill who can insulate Weber properly. Gorges is needed to insulate Subban and play top line minutes (which Weber can't at this point, even with a strong partner). Gill's own weaknesses hinder Weber too much to even consider. Subban and Weber would be a disaster. Kaberle or Campoli and Weber would be an even bigger disaster. Diaz and Weber might work, but could be easily out-muscled. Emelin and Weber might work, but for Emelin to play his game he has to be able to take himself out of position every once in awhile to make the hit and if he makes a mistake (as rookie blueliners are wont to do) Weber will be alone and easily outclassed by even 3rd line forwards.

Weber has a role with this team, but for him to fill it effectively he needs a good partner. We don't have anyone available for that right now, so his progress is going to stall. In the meantime we have oodles of good young defensemen coming down the pipeline - Subban, Diaz, Beaulieu and Tinordi and a well established veteran in Gorges (and possibly Markov if his knee ever heals). He's a marketable asset (though not at the deadline - he needs to be moved near the draft to maximize his value) and if he can fetch a decent return I say do it.

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01-13-2012, 10:55 AM
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Subban, for as much as he's improved defensively, his offensive game has gone into oblivion. He is putrid on the powerplay. His shot is garbage, his vision has gone to crap, and his ridiculous calls for the puck are annoying. I'm hoping its just a sophomore slump.

I disagree with this so much. Weber does get manhandled from time to time, but no more than Campoli. And he doesn't get made to look as dumb as Gill usually.

However, Diaz has been nothing but solid. Very rarely does he get pushed around - because he knows how to get rid of the puck and get it out of the zone. He's an awesome defenseman and only improving.
I agree with Subban and I agree about Diaz. I wasn't trying to suggest that Diaz gets manhandled, just that Diaz and Weber bring a similar presence.

I think Diaz is going to become a very Streit like player - and hopefully Weber follows suit. If Markov is any good when he comes back, he's going to really help out the powerplay and fix a lot of the confidence problems.

Subban could be a case of trying to do too much bit I really don't know, he looks lost out there.

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01-13-2012, 10:56 AM
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I don't like Weber much, So I couldn't care less if he stays or goes.

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01-13-2012, 11:02 AM
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It really has to come down between him and Diaz
Diaz is better defensively and better at making decisions with the puck IMO. Even age wise it isn't that big of a difference. I'm loving the signing, big props to whoever that scouted him.

I can see Weber being traded for another young player that'll fill a need. Either that or being packaged with something for someone of higher value. Weber should return more than what O'Byrne got.

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01-13-2012, 11:04 AM
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I don't like Weber much, So I couldn't care less if he stays or goes.
Well we are going to need bodies. Dump Gill and Campoli that is priority. Play Weber the rest of the year and take a decision in the off season

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01-13-2012, 11:12 AM
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Fact: Weber has the best shot of all the D men in Montreal

That is the discussion starting point.

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If weber is in a package to acquire a much more talented player I'm okay with it.

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Well we are going to need bodies. Dump Gill and Campoli that is priority. Play Weber the rest of the year and take a decision in the off season
He has a good contract next year, I see no issue with keeping him for another year as #6-7 with Diaz. Yeah we need to get bigger back there so add a Gleason, Allen or Mitchell as a #3-4 guy for 2.5-4 mil depending on which.

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Weber isn't a guy you trade at the deadline, they're not going to get anything of value for him then. I can see them dangling him at the draft though.

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Trade Weber. We're stuck with that dumpster Kaberle and it's getting crowded in terms of swiss cheese defensemen who like to prance around with the puck.

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if he gets moved before Kaberle, for anything short of a huge overpayment, Gauthier is a complete fool.
a huge overpayment

are you guys ok ?

Weber is depth 6-7th d man or a 13th forward

he is spare parts of any deal

lets stop this nonsense of over valuing our players

every team hasa Weber in their system

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If we can get something decent for him go for it. Diaz won the duel.

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We can't have all Kaberle, Diaz and Weber in the top 6.

Diaz is playing very well on his rookie year and Kaberle brings the experience and is also playing very well.

Weber is having good and bad nights, he would be my choice to move.


thank you , how can you have these 3 in your D is beyond me , unless you play for the national woman`s team

this team is a joke , keep purging

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Trade Weber. We're stuck with that dumpster Kaberle and it's getting crowded in terms of swiss cheese defensemen who like to prance around with the puck.
I hope you forgot the ""

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a huge overpayment

are you guys ok ?

Weber is depth 6-7th d man or a 13th forward

he is spare parts of any deal

lets stop this nonsense of over valuing our players

every team hasa Weber in their system
Every team? Let's not go overboard here.

Only 4 defensemen IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE have more than Weber's 4 PP goals - Garrison, Chara, Phaneuf, and Other Weber. And our Weber has done this in considerably less PP time.

Why does everyone want to throw this guy away???

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Why wouldn't we trade Weber? He had a string of good games, but he also had a chunk of bad ones. He's not consistent enough on D, does not clear the crease, and wasn't getting enough shots through on the PP. His lack of size and the fact our D are not overally strong/physical and the possiblity of us being able to still salvage a draft pick for him means he needs to go. Weber/Diaz/Campoli probably shouldn't fit in our long term plans if we plan on being competitive. If we're able to obtain some value for him because some team wants to chance it, then let's trade him.

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Yeah I'd rather keep Weber over Kaberle, Campoli, Gill - hopefully there's a taker for some of those guys at the deadline....
I would keep Weber too as long as they can get rid of all the guys you're naming, and IF they can acquire a real big beast fo play on the Left side of the bottom pairing like a Theo Peckham or a Doug Murray.

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Why wouldn't we trade Weber? He had a string of good games, but he also had a chunk of bad ones. He's not consistent enough on D, does not clear the crease, and wasn't getting enough shots through on the PP. His lack of size and the fact our D are not overally strong/physical and the possiblity of us being able to still salvage a draft pick for him means he needs to go. Weber/Diaz/Campoli probably shouldn't fit in our long term plans if we plan on being competitive. If we're able to obtain some value for him because some team wants to chance it, then let's trade him.
Diaz is way better than you seems thinking.

It's gonna take a couple of seasons at least before we see Beaulieu and Tinordi in the line up.

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