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01-13-2012, 02:24 PM
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Unlike Nystrom, who always looked close but snakebit, I never thought Gillies looked very close here. The moment I most remember him for was working real hard and playing physical and then taking a stupid penalty that opened the floodgates against the Canucks to ruin any momentum we had.

That said, he looks like an all-star compared to what Zanon and "Stony" have been showing lately. Falk too. Our defense has seriously fallen.

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01-13-2012, 02:25 PM
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Feel bad for him, hope he can use this as a wake up call, too bad zanon still has a job with the wild

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01-13-2012, 02:32 PM
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I don't think he needs a wake up call...he's been a hard worker and great attitude the whole time, he just doesn't have the skill. He's not an NHL player. It sucks, because he's one of the nicest guys I can remember on the Wild. Great with the fans. But he's not an NHL'er.

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01-13-2012, 02:41 PM
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I can't believe that gmcf couldn't get a pick out of gillies, I mean he got a 3rd for shep.

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That's what we thought about Nystrom.

I'd also like to keep him in the organization - just in case he develops into an effective player.
The difference is Nystrom had a big contract for a 4th liner. 1.4 mil a season I believe. I would have to imagine Gillies is making around 850,000 which makes him a lot more attractive to other teams.

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If Gillies gets picked up, it frees up not only $400k for this year but $800k for next year. Kind of a bonus.

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So much for the 1-way contract he "earned" last season..

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01-13-2012, 03:16 PM
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I guess this means i have to quit harassing Walzie about teaching the kid to pass...

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01-13-2012, 03:25 PM
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Trying to decide ... does the front office want Gillies to clear waivers or to be claimed?

Leaning towards the idea that both Yeo and Fletcher have given up on him and would prefer he be claimed in order to dump his salary.

The decision to give Gillies a two year one-way contract last July (a month after Yeo was hired as HC) doesn't look too good right now. Wonder how much input (if any) Yeo had on that contract offer? Last July we must have been pretty sure he was going to stick if we gave him a one-way.

Thelen (#12) - Poulioit (#4) - Sheppard (#9) - Gillies (#16). Grade: A+ for consistency. Throwing darts at the board would have resulted in a better outcome and saved a lot of money on scouting.

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01-13-2012, 03:41 PM
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Just to make you all cry:
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18. Kyle Chipchura (Center) Canada Montreal Canadiens Prince Albert Raiders (WHL)
19. Lauri Korpikoski (Center) Finland New York Rangers (From Toronto)[2] TPS Jrs. (Finland)
20. Travis Zajac (Center) Canada New Jersey Devils Salmon Arm Silverbacks (BCHL)
21. Wojtek Wolski (Left Wing) Canada Colorado Avalanche Brampton Battalion (OHL)
22. Lukas Kaspar (Right Wing) Czech Republic San Jose Sharks HC Chemopetrol (Czech Republic)
23. Andrej Meszaros (Defense) Slovakia Ottawa Senators Vancouver Giants (WHL)
24. Kris Chucko (Left Wing) Canada Calgary Flames Salmon Arm Silverbacks (BCHL)
25. Rob Schremp (Center) United States Edmonton Oilers London Knights (OHL)
26. Cory Schneider (Goaltender) United States Vancouver Canucks Phillips Academy (US High School-MA)
27. Jeff Schultz (Defense) Canada Washington Capitals Calgary Hitmen (WHL)
28. Mark Fistric (Defense) Canada Dallas Stars Vancouver Giants (WHL)
29 Mike Green (Defense) * Canada Washington Capitals (From Detroit)[3] Saskatoon Blades (WHL)
30. Andy Rogers (Defense) Canada Tampa Bay Lightning Calgary Hitmen (WHL)
Quote:
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5 Carey Price (Goaltender) Canada Montreal Canadiens Tri-City Americans (WHL)
6 Gilbert Brule (Centre) Canada Columbus Blue Jackets Vancouver Giants (WHL)
7 Jack Skille (Right Wing) United States Chicago Blackhawks U.S. National Team Development Program (NAHL)
8 Devin Setoguchi (Right Wing) Canada San Jose Sharks
(from Atlanta Thrashers) Saskatoon Blades (WHL)
9 Brian Lee (Defence) United States Ottawa Senators Moorhead High School (USHS, MN)
10 Luc Bourdon (Defence) Canada Vancouver Canucks Val-d'Or Foreurs (QMJHL)
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(from New York Rangers) Lewiston Maineiacs (QMJHL)
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18 Chris Stewart (Right Wing) Canada Colorado Avalanche Kingston Frontenacs (OHL)
19 Mark Mitera (Defense) Canada Anaheim Ducks University of Michigan (CCHA)
20 David Fischer (Defense) United States Montreal Canadiens (from San Jose) Apple Valley High School (USHS-MN)
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22 Claude Giroux (Right Wing) Canada Philadelphia Flyers Gatineau Olympiques (QMJHL)
23 Semyon Varlamov (Goaltender) Russia Washington Capitals (from Nashville) Lokomotiv Yaroslavl (Russia)
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25 Patrik Berglund (Center) Sweden St. Louis Blues (from New Jersey) Västerås Hockey (Sweden)
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27 Ivan Vishnevskiy (Defense) Russia Dallas Stars Rouyn-Noranda Huskies (QMJHL)
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Originally Posted by 2007
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20 Angelo Esposito (Centre) Canada Pittsburgh Penguins Quebec Remparts (QMJHL)
21 Riley Nash (Centre) Canada Edmonton Oilers (from Dallas via Phoenix)[14] Cornell University (NCAA)
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Basically, you'd have a relatively GREAT team if you put together players that Riser passed over to draft his busts...

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01-13-2012, 03:49 PM
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Well, I know the final decision is up to the GM, but did GMCF bring in all new scouts as well?

It could've been the scouts just overhyping players and DR buying it.

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Yeah yeah.. You know how many time's I've thought we could've had Giroux in 2006?

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01-13-2012, 03:57 PM
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Well now I get to find out if he does clear, which he should, assuming other teams actually watch us. No confidence, 2nd time he's lost it because he can't handle this league. He's not going to regain it playing with the Wild. Don't care if he's claimed or ends up back on the Aeros' 3rd line, he's not worth an NHL roster spot and waivers is worth seeing if someone will take his 1-way contract off our hands.

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01-13-2012, 04:03 PM
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Basically, you'd have a relatively GREAT team if you put together players that Riser passed over to draft his busts...
I didn't think it was possible, but you made GMDR's first round busts look understandable, and not particularly painful. Congratulations on achieving the impossible.

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I didn't think it was possible, but you made GMDR's first round busts look understandable, and not particularly painful. Congratulations on achieving the impossible.
lol Yeah, it's not like we were the only team drafting duds in the first round. Then again ... how many teams crapped out four years in a row from 04-07? I'm giving Cuma in 08 a pass due to injuries.

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Basically, you'd have a relatively GREAT team if you put together players that Riser passed over to draft his busts...
Great, now as a fan I wanna kill myself.

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lol Yeah, it's not like we were the only team drafting duds in the first round. Then again ... how many teams crapped out four years in a row from 04-07? I'm giving Cuma in 08 a pass due to injuries.
That's not quite where I was going with it, but that too.

What I was angling at is the fact that, when looking back at past first rounds, you never would have considered picking guys who were more than 5-6 spots lower than your pick. That changes a bit in the late part of the round, but in general is a good rule of thumb. Taken that way, here's what we could have done instead:

Pouliot - Price (Goalie, N/A), Brule (bust, passed through waivers without a claim this season), Skille (33 points in 123 NHL games), Setoguchi (quality 2nd liner), Lee (servicable d-man), Bourdon (out of hockey)

Sheppard - Frolik (3rd liner, NHLer), Bernier (Goalie, N/A), Little (2nd line center), Tlusty (depth NHLer), Grabner (became NHLer after being waived)

Gillies - Cherepanov (deceased), Cole (borderline NHLer), MacMillan (ECHLer), Esposito (ECHLer), Riley Nash (depth NHLer)

We don't know how Cuma will eventually turn out, but there were three quality players picked shortly after him.

The point is, neither Pouliot nor Gillies could have really been better picks. Gillies already has more NHL games under his belt than the next 5 picks are likely to combine for in their entire careers.

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That's not quite where I was going with it, but that too.

What I was angling at is the fact that, when looking back at past first rounds, you never would have considered picking guys who were more than 5-6 spots lower than your pick. That changes a bit in the late part of the round, but in general is a good rule of thumb. Taken that way, here's what we could have done instead:

Pouliot - Price (Goalie, N/A), Brule (bust, passed through waivers without a claim this season), Skille (33 points in 123 NHL games), Setoguchi (quality 2nd liner), Lee (servicable d-man), Bourdon (out of hockey)

Sheppard - Frolik (3rd liner, NHLer), Bernier (Goalie, N/A), Little (2nd line center), Tlusty (depth NHLer), Grabner (became NHLer after being waived)

Gillies - Cherepanov (deceased), Cole (borderline NHLer), MacMillan (ECHLer), Esposito (ECHLer), Riley Nash (depth NHLer)

We don't know how Cuma will eventually turn out, but there were three quality players picked shortly after him.

The point is, neither Pouliot nor Gillies could have really been better picks. Gillies already has more NHL games under his belt than the next 5 picks are likely to combine for in their entire careers.
Okay. Interesting point ... but ... not sure I buy the 5-6 spot rule of thumb. What if you have teams that "reached" with their picks shortly after your pick? Guess I'd want to go back and look at the rankings before the draft and compare that to what actually happened before committing to the notion that teams would never pick someone who went 5-6 spots after your pick.

5 picks seems a little to tight to me.
2004. Korpikoski, Zajac and Wolski went 7,8 and 9 spots after Thelen.
2005. Kopita and Stall went 7 and 8 spots after Pouliot.
2006. Ugh.
2007. Pacioretty, Backlund went 6 and 8 spots after Gillies.

In 07 there were a lot of fans who were good with the selection of Gillies (but not the price paid). Big body, fast, last name, etc. I plead guilty on that.

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Gillies biggest problem is indecisiveness. Watch him out there and he's almost as bad as he was his first year up...Not sure how to fix that. Bulmer may be just as lost as Gillies, but once he starts something he's committed to it and even if it's the wrong choice it's better than doing nothing most of the time. gillies has more than enough "tools" to be an energy guy, but his mindset is just lacking.

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From Russo's Strib article:

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The question is if he clears. After all, he's a former first-round pick. He's big. He can skate. He's 22.

"With Colton, his effort and his attitude have been great," GM Chuck Fletcher said. "Assuming he clears waivers tomorrow, I think it'll be a great opportunity for him to go to Houston and get his game going. He's a young player, he's got a great future ahead of him, and I think this is the best decision for his long-term development. Obviously, there's a chance somebody could claim him, and that's the risk we're taking. But the status quo wasn't accomplishing what anybody needed to get accomplished. We needed to change it up for him and give him a chance to get his game going."

Coach Mike Yeo echoed Fletcher, saying there's few bigger fans of Gillies than him. But he said the time was now for Gillies to get his confidence back.
While I don't expect either Fletcher or Yeo to speak negatively of Gillies in the media ... my BS detector went off reading that. "Got a great future ahead of him"? That's laying it on a little thick. Almost sounds like they're talking him up to help his chances of being claimed on waivers.

And a minor point, Gillies is 22 but he'll turn 23 next month.

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Over/Under how many teams put in a claim:

I'm saying someone will probably claim him.

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While I don't expect either Fletcher or Yeo to speak negatively of Gillies in the media ... my BS detector went off reading that. "Got a great future ahead of him"? That's laying it on a little thick. Almost sounds like they're talking him up to help his chances of being claimed on waivers.

And a minor point, Gillies is 22 but he'll turn 23 next month.
he has the tools to have a great future. Call it optimism. If he gets picked up and has a Latendresse type year for someone people are going to be calling for Fletcher's immediate resignation...you just don't know when **** is going to click in a guys' head.

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I'm saying someone will probably claim him.
I would think so, too. Super low-risk pickup.

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Haha...Gillies has a whopping 10 points in 89 NHL games. Even before his trade from Monty, Lats had 82 points in 209 games.

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