Based off of what? I can't remember JDS even attempting a takedown in a fight.
Out of all the guys being discussed as a replacement for Overeem, I think Hunt is the most interesting matchup stylistically. Mir get's KO'd in the first, Werdum was already KO'd in the first and Hendo is too small.
He took down Carwin a couple times in their fight, albeit in the third round by which point Carwin had been horribly battered. But yeah, JdS seems like a smart guy so I doubt he'd spend any more time striking with Hunt than he needs to. It's not like you need great wrestling to take Hunt down, if Mousasi managed it then I'm sure JdS would be able to.
He took down Carwin a couple times in their fight, albeit in the third round by which point Carwin had been horribly battered. But yeah, JdS seems like a smart guy so I doubt he'd spend any more time striking with Hunt than he needs to. It's not like you need great wrestling to take Hunt down, if Mousasi managed it then I'm sure JdS would be able to.
I'd still put the odds of Hunt getting submitted by JDS as less than that of Mir getting knocked out.
I'd still put the odds of Hunt getting submitted by JDS as less than that of Mir getting knocked out.
Look at Hunt's history and how quickly he can be subbed by virtually anyone. He has fairly recently lost SIX fights in a row, with I believe FIVE by submission. I think like 3 of those fights were in 1-2 minutes.
This Hunt this is a fun little story, but come on. If he earns his way to a title shot (going 3-6 in your last 9 fights doesn't count) then so be it, but that hasn't happened yet.
I honestly can't believe its 2012 and I have to argue why Mark Hunt doesn't deserve a UFC title shot.
Look at Hunt's history and how quickly he can be subbed by virtually anyone. He has fairly recently lost SIX fights in a row, with I believe FIVE by submission. I think like 3 of those fights were in 1-2 minutes.
This Hunt this is a fun little story, but come on. If he earns his way to a title shot (going 3-6 in your last 9 fights doesn't count) then so be it, but that hasn't happened yet.
I honestly can't believe its 2012 and I have to argue why Mark Hunt doesn't deserve a UFC title shot.
I'm not saying Hunt deserves a title shot, obviously Mir is the most deserving. But if for some reason they decide to go off the board, I think Hunt is the more interesting match up stylistically.
With Mir you've got questionable chin vs. JDS' insane knockout power. It's almost a given how that fight turns out. I can't imagine many paths to victory for Mir aside from a hail mary submission while he's rocked like the Nog fight.
With Hunt you've got questionable ground game vs. JDS' relatively unknown submissions. If it stays standing, it's a very interesting fight.
How does Browne (a guy who struggled against Kongo) make more sense? Miocic is way too green, it would hurt him as a prospect to get murdered by JDS.
I'm not saying Hunt deserves a title shot, obviously Mir is the most deserving. But if for some reason they decide to go off the board, I think Hunt is the more interesting match up stylistically.
Exactly. I don't think anyone's trying to make the case that Hunt is the most deserving of a title shot, but he may very well be the most interesting opponent stylistically. Unfortunate to hear Dana shoot the idea down, but certainly understandable.
Its not interesting at all. Its about as interesting as James Toney getting the title shot against JDS.
Hunt shouldn't get a title shot and I don't find the fight very interesting but I would much rather watch that than JDS vs Miocic/Browne. Thankfully none of those guys are getting the title shot.
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The guy with arguably the best standup in MMA fighting a champion with great boxing who has stood with every guy he fought isn't interesting?
Mark Hunt has the best striking credentials in MMA after Alistair Overeem. Wins over Jerome Le Banner & Mike Bernardo are no joke, I sincerely doubt any UFC HW could pull that off.
Look at his impeccable timing in this exchange with Kongo, he makes him look like a damn amateur.
Mark Hunt has the best striking credentials in MMA after Alistair Overeem. Wins over Jerome Le Banner & Mike Bernardo are no joke, I sincerely doubt any UFC HW could pull that off.
Look at his impeccable timing in this exchange with Kongo, he makes him look like a damn amateur.
In the HW division I think Overeem is a better striker than Hunt. JDS might not have the credentials but with his speed, boxing, and reach, I think he can be a more effective striker as well.
Mark Hunt has the best striking credentials in MMA after Alistair Overeem. Wins over Jerome Le Banner & Mike Bernardo are no joke, I sincerely doubt any UFC HW could pull that off.
Look at his impeccable timing in this exchange with Kongo, he makes him look like a damn amateur.
And look at Sean McCorkle tap him and make him look like a damn amateur. You could probably make a Hunt tape of getting tapped and it would be about 15 minutes for 5 entire fights, no .gif required.
And look at Sean McCorkle tap him and make him look like a damn amateur. You could probably make a Hunt tape of getting tapped and it would be about 15 minutes for 5 entire fights, no .gif required.
His submission losses have nothing to do with his striking credentials which is what I was addressing.
His submission losses have nothing to do with his striking credentials which is what I was addressing.
I was under the impression they would be fighting under MMA rules and not K-1 rules.
Anyways, the fight isn't going to happen so no use arguing it. I generally agree with 99% of things you say here so I'll just agree to disagree on this one.
And you think JDS would just stand and bang with a guy who has extremely limited submission defense?
JDS is very confident in his standup. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibilities. Also, everyone points to how fast (and often) Hunt has been subbed in the past. It seems to me he's taking his MMA training more seriously these days, so I'm not so sure it would be quite as easy to sub him as some make it out to be. Would it be in JDS's best interest to take the fight to the ground? Sure. But because he probably feels he has the best standup in the division I could see him standing with Hunt. And that is what makes the matchup so intriguing to me.
I'm not saying Hunt deserves a title shot, obviously Mir is the most deserving. But if for some reason they decide to go off the board, I think Hunt is the more interesting match up stylistically.
With Mir you've got questionable chin vs. JDS' insane knockout power. It's almost a given how that fight turns out. I can't imagine many paths to victory for Mir aside from a hail mary submission while he's rocked like the Nog fight.
With Hunt you've got questionable ground game vs. JDS' relatively unknown submissions. If it stays standing, it's a very interesting fight.
How does Browne (a guy who struggled against Kongo) make more sense? Miocic is way too green, it would hurt him as a prospect to get murdered by JDS.
It would be an embarrassment. JDS wins that in under a minute any way he wants to.
Tbh, if Overroid was on the gas, and he was, then by rights the shot should go to Lesnar.
I doubt he would want to step into the octagon again, and probably couldnt be ready in time even if he did, but that is what they should do, if it were possible.
And I hope Overroid and his misshapen head never get a chance to fight in the ufc again. Same goes for Sonnen and all the other cheaters who are caught. If you cant compete clean, then gtfo and go fight freaks in Japan.
It would be an embarrassment. JDS wins that in under a minute any way he wants to.
Tbh, if Overroid was on the gas, and he was, then by rights the shot should go to Lesnar.
I doubt he would want to step into the octagon again, and probably couldnt be ready in time even if he did, but that is what they should do, if it were possible.
And I hope Overroid and his misshapen head never get a chance to fight in the ufc again. Same goes for Sonnen and all the other cheaters who are caught. If you cant compete clean, then gtfo and go fight freaks in Japan.
They're not going to give a title shot to a guy coming off two straight losses. And roids had nothing to with Overreem beating Lesnar.
BTW, I'd bet that over the half of the UFC's roster use some sort of PED.
Apparently Overeem's manager says there is a "reasonable explanation" as to why he failed the test, and his camp is confident he'll still be fighting JDS May 26. Overeem's manager made it clear that Overeem did not test high for testosterone, but rather his T:E ratio was off, and apparently they have an explanation for that. My guess is they say his T and E are both naturally very low, he takes T to get up to a normal level, and because when you take T your E stays the same, it ends up producing these lofty ratios. I don't see how the commission will be able to argue that.
Apparently Overeem's manager says there is a "reasonable explanation" as to why he failed the test, and his camp is confident he'll still be fighting JDS May 26. Overeem's manager made it clear that Overeem did not test high for testosterone, but rather his T:E ratio was off, and apparently they have an explanation for that. My guess is they say his T and E are both naturally very low, he takes T to get up to a normal level, and because when you take T your E stays the same, it ends up producing these lofty ratios. I don't see how the commission will be able to argue that.
The argument would be that Overeem knew random testing was coming after he avoided testing for the Lesnar fight and this was a condition on his previous liscence. Therefore, he should have informed the commission that he had low T. The more I think about this, the more I think Overeem's previous trangressions make it impossible to argue that he should be liscenced. That said, commissions are dumb.
