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10-11-2004, 03:54 PM
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Actually, DiPietro's save percentage in his rookie season was at least still above .800. Miller put up .795 in three games last year.

Meanwhile, DiPietro is now a full-time NHL starter while Miller (a year older) is still an AHL goaltender at best.

I've never been a big fan of Miller, he has a ton left to prove. Comparing his last season to DiPietro's rookie season when he was thrown into the fire as a teenager (on the worst team in the league) is pretty bad on Miller.


In DiPietro's rookie season? You mean the season when they had Hamrlik, Jonsson, Garry Galley, Chara (the old Chara, not the Norris candidate), Aris Brimanis, and Kevin Haller...?

But you're right, Miller had nothing but AHL defensemen infront of him last year.... in the AHL.

Miller played before last season, you know that right? He played 15 games two years ago, and did pretty well for being on the 5th worst team in the NHL.

I don't even need to use DiPietro. I can use any rookie goalie, or young goalie that did well with great Defensemen. The fact is, guys like DiPietro, Raycroft etc. all had NHL Caliber Defensemen in front of them last year, Miller didn't. Those goalies are now on their way to being top 5, but Miller is now a bust in most people's eyes.

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10-11-2004, 04:08 PM
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Lehtonen or Fleury.

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Hasek has already left Binghamton, so you can cross him off the list of AHL netminders.

Given that this conversation is who the best goalie in the AHL is this season, I believe that Garon gets the nod with Fleury right behind him. Both of those guys would be in the NHL this season had it not be for the lockout (Fleury would definitely be the Pens starter and I think that Garon could beat out Chokemanek for the Kings job). The same cannot be definitely said for Lehtonen.

I'll mention a darkhorse that has yet to be mentioned, Utah's David LeNeveu.
I'd say Fleury has more competition for a spot in Pittsburgh than Lehtonen does in Atlanta.. And all that aside, I'm not too sure how you're using that as an argument that Fleury and Garon are better..

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What about a guy like Emery not as #1 but where would he stand in AHL goalie rankings? From what I hear he should be up there but I havent seen many mentions of him in this thread.


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10-12-2004, 12:44 AM
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I think Deslauriers will surprise a few people. Now, obviously Lehtonen is in a class of his own - but it was JDD that put MAFleury to shame in the Q playoffs last year and pretty much singlehandedly elimiated Fleury.

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I think Deslauriers will surprise a few people. Now, obviously Lehtonen is in a class of his own - but it was JDD that put MAFleury to shame in the Q playoffs last year and pretty much singlehandedly elimiated Fleury.
by that time maf was still shell schocked from his time with the pen's

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Something I don't think that you guys are factoring in: Just because Lehtonen is the best NHL prospect doesn't mean that he will be the best AHL goalie. There are lots of goalies like LaBarbera and Johan Homquist, to name a few, who have games that work great in the AHL but just plain don't translate into the NHL. People underestimate what a different creature the AHL is. I would definately go with a more proven commodity.

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# GOALIES GP MIN W L T SO GA GAA SV SV%
34 Lehtonen, Kari 39 2192:25 20 14 2 3 88 2.41 1101 .926

PLAYOFFS
YEAR TEAM GP MIN W L - - SO GA GAA SV SV%
2004 Chicago 10 663:12 6 4 - - 1 23 2.08 374 0.942

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10-13-2004, 10:05 AM
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Inexcusable to say Lehtonen has a wide margin on Chiodo, Fleury and co.
Even more inexcusable is to say Fehri is the worst AHL goalie.
He's french for god's sake!:mad:

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Homer pick: Fleury, Chiodo.

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Inexcusable to say Lehtonen has a wide margin on Chiodo, Fleury and co.
Even more inexcusable is to say Fehri is the worst AHL goalie.
He's french for god's sake!:mad:
Not inexcusable at all, IMO. Chiodo isn't even near in the class of Fleury and Lehtonen for starters. And Fleury has shown the inability to show up in the big games (both WJC, QMJHL playoffs) while Lehtonen has been raved about as a big game goalie in the mold of Patrick Roy. Another small factor to also point out is that Kari is bigger. Fleury could be the next Cujo, Lehtonen the next Patrick Roy. If you have to think for 5 seconds which of those two you'd want then i'd have to be worried about you.

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by that time maf was still shell schocked from his time with the pen's
'frain not. He came back and was VERY strong in his 10 games he played for Cabe-Breton. He didn't play overly bad in the playoffs, but JDD looked like the all world prospect, not Fleury.

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Inexcusable to say Lehtonen has a wide margin on Chiodo, Fleury and co.
Even more inexcusable is to say Fehri is the worst AHL goalie.
He's french for god's sake!:mad:

if you think chiodo and fleury are nearly as good as Lehtonen I don't know what sport you're watching.... Fleury is awesome... but he jsut doesnt compare to Lehtone

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Lol, yeah right.
Fleury, as an 18 year old was among the best goalie in the league in his first NHL month.
What was Lehtonen's competition as an 18 year old?

And Chiodo IS one of the best prospect out there. Not only did he have a great AHL rookie season last year, but he also had a great NHL stretch.

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So yeah Fleury is in Lehtonen's league to say the least.
Chiodo is not that far behind.

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10-14-2004, 11:34 AM
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Lol, yeah right.
Fleury, as an 18 year old was among the best goalie in the league in his first NHL month.
What was Lehtonen's competition as an 18 year old?
Itīs true that Fleury had a nice month, but are you now comparing a goalie who has played all his life in a small rink and a guy who has spent most of his time in a bigger rink and is just getting used with everything new?

As an 18 year old Lehtonen claimed his place in the Finnish Elite League team Jokerit, taking over the starterīs job and leading his team all the way to the end. Jokerit won the cup that year.

2001-2002
-Earned a 13-5-3 mark with a 1.79 goals-against average and four shutouts in 23 games with Jokerit-Helsinki
-Led team to league championship as the league’s youngest goalie
-Paced the league with 11 games; eight wins; 623 minutes; a .940 save percentage; and three shutouts in the playoffs
-Notched a 1.78 goals-against average in the postseason
-Led Finland to first place at the 2002 Karlaja Cup, an annual tune-up for the World Championships, posting a 4-0-0 record with a 1.13 goals-against average and a .946 save percentage
-Led Finland to the bronze medal at the 2002 World Championships, and was named Best Goaltender at the tournament after pacing all goalies with a 1.17 goals-against average and a .943 save percentage

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I got to watch the roadrunners alot, and Lehtonen was always my favorite to watch.

That being said, there are some good veteran goalies out there, which makes this debate hard.

Lehtonen certainly has the best combination of now and future, but if it was my job to pick the best goalie to lead my team to the Calder Cup this year, and ignore the rest, my honest to goodness pick would be:

Marc Lamothe

He has incredible experience in the A, has made every team he has been on better, and has a fantastic record for after leaving a team, the other goaltender is better than before Lamothe arrived. He's my goalie if my only desire is to win the Calder Cup.

If we are talking about potential, and current ability:

1. Lehtonen
2. Ouellet
3. Fleury
4. Niittymaki
5. Miller/Emry

Sorry, Chiodo is out. He wasn't that good in the AHL last year... certainly not on par with the guys mentioned above. Even in the NHL, it didn't take shooters long to figure him out... it was a month before Fleury was figured out.

Fleury is behind Ouellet for a vey simple reason... I think Fleury will be an incredible goalie for keeping the score close... but in the end, I don't think he will be able to pull out the W's. You could pepper him with 40 shots and only win 2-1, but he will be a lot like Denis... when the game is on the line, he will get beat. Every opportunity he has had to over-come that, he has failed. Twice in the world jrs, last year in the Q playoffs... sure it's only 3 things, but he'll be on a bad Penguins team for the next several years, meaning he won't be getting many shots at it for a while.

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10-14-2004, 04:09 PM
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It's funny because before last season, I was always one of the few that thought Lehtonen was a tad better than Fleury. After seeing Fleury's play in the NHL at 18, I thought as worst, they're equal.
Now what I find pretty stupid in this thread is posters saying Lehtonen "hands down", "clearly", "by a landslide", etc...
There's absolutely no way ANY goalie or any prospect has such an advantage over Fleury, who's right up there with the cream of the prospects.

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As an avid Amerks fan, let me just say that Miller is a bit over-rated... watching him play in the A he isn't as consistent or as dominant as you'd like. Sure he is good. Reminds me of like, oh lets say Dwayne Roloson, late bloomer.

Bryzgalov & Lehtonen are the two most NHL ready goaltenders. Fluery is debateable, I think he was rushed ala our golden boy Danny Blackburn. If I had to guess which of the AHL goalies would be full time NHL starters this year if they had a legit chance.

1. Bryzgalov
2. Oulette
3. Lehtonen

No particular order mind you...

That is my take on the situation. I may be wrong, but I never said I was an expert.


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It's funny because before last season, I was always one of the few that thought Lehtonen was a tad better than Fleury. After seeing Fleury's play in the NHL at 18, I thought as worst, they're equal.
Now what I find pretty stupid in this thread is posters saying Lehtonen "hands down", "clearly", "by a landslide", etc...
There's absolutely no way ANY goalie or any prospect has such an advantage over Fleury, who's right up there with the cream of the prospects.
MAF, HAS played the best in the NHL. but in the short run it hurt him. Lehtonen has been brought along slowly,as MAF should have been! so for now Lehtonen is a head of MAF.

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Fleury is a great player, however I would agree behind Lehtonen. Chiodo can't even touch these guys so I have no clue why pens fans are claiming him in the same company. I really didn't like it when the Pens threw MAF into the games right away, but i got to see him in his first pre-season contest against the Isles and was very impressed. If he had an actually defense infront of him, he could have been here the entire season. KL has already proved his worth at the AHL level, so by skill and default, it goes to him being the number 1 right now. Hopefully that will give MAF incentive to chase him down.

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#1 - Hasek is not playing the season in the AHL.
#2 - Fleury is overrated (anyone watch the world junior championships)
#3 - Centomo may be the worst goalie, which would explain why he was sent to the ECHL so he is not playing in the AHL.

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Brent Krahn and Cam Ward should be a good pairing for the Lockmonsters.

Krahn put on a very good show late last season in the AHL

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Kari Lehtonen pretty easily.

Oulette has been very strong.

Marc Andre Fleury needs a rebound year, if he performs like he can, he has to be metioned.

Ryan Miller is a good goalie.

Stana is being overlooked by all of you IMO, he's a very good goaltender as well.

Hannu Toivonen's stock is going to shoot up like a rocket this year IMO, very good goaltender.

Man the AHL is loaded with goalies, right when I saw this post/question....immedietly a dozen of names popped into my head.

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Garon looked very good tonight.

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I think Deslauriers will surprise a few people. Now, obviously Lehtonen is in a class of his own - but it was JDD that put MAFleury to shame in the Q playoffs last year and pretty much singlehandedly elimiated Fleury.
I agree, Moss didnt impress me tonight. Bring on JDD, He's the best in the Oilers
org I have nothing against Conklin but the future is JDD and Dubnyk.

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